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Just curious as this hasn't been addressed so far:

1) How large percentage of the NEX buyers will be fooled by the 16mm choice? Paint the picture in broad strokes!

2) What will be the actual consequences of this? I mean, obviously you are genuinely concerned about people being seriously fooled into this situation, so you must have visualized what happens after that.

I'm guessing something pretty serious.
 
Why the attitude? They never said anything about anybody being "fooled". Obviously they thought it was a concern. You don't. Let it go.
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dr jim said:
Why the attitude? They never said anything about anybody being "fooled". Obviously they thought it was a concern. You don't. Let it go.
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Depends who's got the attitude ;-)
 
dr jim said:
Why the attitude? They never said anything about anybody being "fooled".
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Well they are saying that the kit is "ill-judged" and that the "24mm-equivalent is not a good choice for the target market" and that they are "concerned about" all the "inexperienced compact camera users" who are "buying an inappropriate lens".

Seems like they are pretty concerned to me. Sound really ominous, even! That's why I'm wondering about the grave consequences certain to follow such a grave misjudgment, and how many poor consumers this is going to concern.
 
Hard to get my head wrapped around just how "wrong" this 16mm lens is, and so it is good to see portraits shot with an equivalent FOV.

Now I really don't know what all the crying is about.
 
Took portraits at 24mm before. It can work in some odd ways, but clearly not ideal for shooting people.
 
It's great for group (two or more) portraits and landscapes. The problem with most P&S cameras is they aren't wide enough.

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We can't take any more...the distortion is too horrible. We need a 30-50mm immediately that has a different brand name stamped on it and is barely as sharp as the zoom kit lens...so we can be like everyone else.

Seriously though...I'm surprised most people are not realizing just how many group photos of hot Japanese chicks there are going to be posted up on the web because of the NEX. For the take every where, tons of snapshots camera....24mm is a good focal length.

Like most features of the NEX though, it doesn't warm the more veteran photographers among the DPR ranks.

The main beauty of the NEX, besides the size, will always be that it can be as simple or complex as you want it to be.
 
danjojo said:
The main beauty of the NEX, besides the size, will always be that it can be as simple or complex as you want it to be.
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The more I read this sentence the less I understand how (in this context) it doesn't equally apply to any comparable camera.

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Simon Joinson, dpreview.com
 
I've pre-ordered it, but I wasn't fooled; perfect focal length for me as a general use prime, its small and faster than the bulky kit zoom.
 
Simon Joinson said:
danjojo said:
The main beauty of the NEX, besides the size, will always be that it can be as simple or complex as you want it to be.
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The more I read this sentence the less I understand how (in this context) it doesn't equally apply to any comparable camera.

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Simon Joinson, dpreview.com
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I think for one...the lack of buttons is actually a welcome feature for those afraid of DSLR (or similar layout) cameras. Most young people getting into photography are intimidated by too many buttons and dials, and intimidated by larger cameras in general. I know that is how my wife is...she loves the difference my Canon T1i makes but she never wants to take any photos with it.

The Shooting Tips feature and sneaking in Aperture Priority w/iAuto makes it so her or another person who wants it as simple as possible can pick it up and shoot some better photos in a jiffy. They might not be as good as an old veteran photographer with a DSLR, but compared to the alternatives definitely a league above.

For more complicated, its a no-brainer....it has all the exposure options and more take charge modes for people who are more salty with camera operation and photography in general. Might take an extra second to be ready to shoot or a few more seconds to do what you want to do as far as exposure settings, but the very high portability factor and some quite nifty tricks like Sweep Panorama, HDR, and HHT far outweigh those extra seconds.

It's definitely unique and beautiful in its versatility and ability to appeal to many different types of people who simply want good pictures in a small carry package.
 
jiks said:
I've pre-ordered it, but I wasn't fooled; perfect focal length for me as a general use prime, its small and faster than the bulky kit zoom.
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Yes, quite a lot of people seem to think that a 16mm is a very desirable focal length for a kit lens. I'm with you. :-)
 
Magnus W said:
2) What will be the actual consequences of this? I mean, obviously you are genuinely concerned about people being seriously fooled into this situation, so you must have visualized what happens after that.
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1. They learn the 'hard' way a prime is a 1X zoom.

2. They make some money selling that 16mm.
 
Would have been much better with an 18mm or 20mm pancake imho.

And yes, I think it will "fool" a lot of naive buyers.
 
Experienced buyers are ironically the more easily 'fooled'. That's why there are so many buying/selling lenses among them. And jumping ships. :-)

Naive buyers should avoid playing with interchangeable lenses. Pretty easily fooled. :-)
Chippy99 said:
Would have been much better with an 18mm or 20mm pancake imho.

And yes, I think it will "fool" a lot of naive buyers.
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The problem it is in 2D

if it was in 3D it is the same as if looked with your eyes close to you loved one.

Berl.
 
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