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Nex5 makes two positions in Top Ten sellers in Japan
- Thread starter Mark K
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When did it go on sales in Japan? The list is for May 31 to June 6 week.
Phil Askey would be greatly dissapointed since he is on the record here claimimg he knows what consumers want and this camera won't sell. (along with carl & few other posters).
There is A900 at 29th position!
This cameras main highlights is the small size and IQ ,if the dpreview team says that they know what consumers want,then why was it penalized for being small.
I hope it sells well. It should.
Providing a better UI probably wouldn't make it sell substantially better ... certainly reviews will impact sales to enthusiasts, and maybe to a few consumers, but probably not to most of the market.
A better UI just would have made a better camera for all those who do buy it.
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Providing a better UI probably wouldn't make it sell substantially better ... certainly reviews will impact sales to enthusiasts, and maybe to a few consumers, but probably not to most of the market.
A better UI just would have made a better camera for all those who do buy it.
- Dennis
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WaltKnapp
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Now we will start to get the next level of reviewers, those that spent their money on the camera.
Actually all those that do use it for much.
Note that Canon DSLR easily beats it, so does Nikon.
Walt
Yes. The UI doesn't look good. But everyone that has seen this camera has been drooling over it; it is small, extremely good-looking (high WAF unlike SLRs!) and doesn't look like "an advanced camera" so it won't frighten away the beginners. The people buying this are coming from compacts, wanting to upgrade to "something better", but a little afraid of the bulkiness and/or all the buttons of a SLR. They don't have the SLR paradigm so the ho-hum UI won't be as important. Dpr has an "armchair photo teacher" approach to this camera, "we know how you should take your photographs", which is wrong IMO; I think the people interested in this camera didn't really have a suitable camera before. And the 16mm adds to that appeal by appealing to another (albeit very much smaller) niche -- it's suddenly a wide angle, big-sensor compact. Few such cameras have existed until now.
I think these cameras will sell like crazy.
It's small, it's well priced, it's well specified and comes from a well-respected brand name, there's no question that it'll sell.
Our job isn't to predict what will sell, it's to try to help people make informed decisions. Some people will read our review and it might tip the balance towards a different camera, some people will read our review and conclude the issues we highlighted won't affect them and most people won't read any reviews at all.
We don't mind in the slightest if people read the review and decide that they disagree with us, but we do think there are issues with both cameras that should be raised.
They'll sell and many users will be happy with them. However, having used and tested all its competitors, we feel there are cameras they may well be happier with.
Richard - dpreview.com
Our job isn't to predict what will sell, it's to try to help people make informed decisions. Some people will read our review and it might tip the balance towards a different camera, some people will read our review and conclude the issues we highlighted won't affect them and most people won't read any reviews at all.
We don't mind in the slightest if people read the review and decide that they disagree with us, but we do think there are issues with both cameras that should be raised.
They'll sell and many users will be happy with them. However, having used and tested all its competitors, we feel there are cameras they may well be happier with.
Richard - dpreview.com
We'll see when the rubber meets the road
On the one hand, it's probably a little tough for any enthusiast photographer (pro, hobbyist or otherwise) to put themselves in the shoes of a P&Ser. OTOH, there are some things everyone needs to do (format a card), some features that Sony is pushing in its marketing, and at the same time, most enthusiasts have owned/used and/or tested any number of digicams designed for P&Sers that are easier to use.
I doubt most of the target market will find the cameras as frustrating to use as many of us would ... and in some cases (auto ISO maxing out at 1600 for instance) they may not even realize what they're missing. But Sony shouldn't rest on their laurels even if they sell well; we need some noise to try to get them to improve. There's a risk that the cameras popularity encourages Sony and even the low end Alpha DSLRs end up with UIs looking like a cell phone making them less and less suitable as cheap second options for DSLR users.
True, but few fast-prime big-sensor compacts have existed, too
I think I'd read somewhere that WAs are particularly popular in Japan for whatever reason.
Yes, but I think I'll be helping Oly or Panasonics sales number out this year.
- Dennis
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safaridon
Senior Member
--Not only is the NEX5 in the #5 and #7 spots in overall DSLR sales in Japan if you add all their models up they may have even toppled the #1 D550 KISS in overall sales!
Yes for whatever its reported shortcomings consumers at least in Japan love its small size, excellent metal body, high ISO processor, excellent high resolution swing screen, and overall performance as meeting their wants and expectations.
As noted others have forcast the failure of the NEX and this attempt by Sony to increase its market share in all segments of the market. While Sony may have purposely designed an interface with less control to not detract from their DSLRs they may have perhaps been too successful. Based on these BCN sales rankings one can with m4/3 and NEX claiming 32 top sellers out of the top 80 have grabbed a 40% share of the overall DSLR market and still rapidly growing much faster than anyone would have ever predicted. Simply put people do value size and quality and are recognizing this with where they put their money. With its special high speed operations for landscapes, HDR, or low light cameras like the NEX especially with small primes will be putting real pressure on the big boy DSLRs.
I don't think either Canon or Nikon are sitting very comfortable just now with the sudden impact of the NEX series and even more EXMOR DSLR cameras to come. Yes no cameras are perfect and the NEXs as noted are no exceptions but they are still very very attractive to many and destined to be a classic camera body design in any ILS be it APS-C, m4/3 or smaller format.
Yes. I'm going by what (what I think is) the target market tells me
Personally, I have two problems; the UI and the lack of stabilization in the 16.Well there have been some attempts -- but they have all (IMO) been at least as compromised for "real photographers" as the NEX. Witness the pitiful Sigma cameras. The NEX is less expensive and (in my opinion) way more useful.True, but few fast-prime big-sensor compacts have existed, too
Well maybe I'm Japanese! ;-)
Oh can I interest monsieur in a only sliiiightly used E-410? Only been used in the church I swear! ;-) Seriously, are you thinking about the E-PL1?
At this point, it's between the EPL1 (better high ISO, IBIS) and GF1 (greater ease of use and cheaper with 20 than buying EPL1 & lens separately) with the Panasonic 20/1.7.
I'm going to try them both out at B&H in a couple days. I had a play with the E-P1 last year and decided I liked it well enough, but preferred the direct controls on the GF1.
But while I'd love to have owned one yesterday, I may wait for Photokina before deciding. (I'd really like to have one for a trip to Disney in November). By then, a number of interesting things could happen:
1. NEX-7 answers UI issues and IBIS; a 30mm lens is release (and hopefully the camera isn't too big !)
2. Panasonic comes out with GF2 with better high ISO and an articulating LCD and/or built in EVF
3. One of the m43 manufacturers decides to come out with a native m43 portrait lens (probably the least likely of the three !)
Any of those would tip the balance quickly.
- Dennis
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Bingo! This is indeed a huge factor for me too
But recently I've learned that choice is bad, so maybe I should just be happy with what is offered. ;-)JanKritzinger
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Focus speed and accuracy on the Oly is awful if not in bright light. GF1 is better (and good looking)
Don't expect a NEX 7 any soon.
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not really .. it's pretty common to have a spurt of sales at the launch especially in japan .. how long it will hold position is entirely a different matter.
also that "ranking" has always been vague at best. and could also be including preorders.
Why? September was mentioned...you know different?
ianimal
Senior Member
Could be september or never. Only Sony knows.
Documensony
Senior Member
It's a rather pompous (I was thinking almost arrogant) attitude in my view to see yourself with the job to decide what camera will get 'people' or 'users' happy in general. Different people will be happy with different cameras.
I often wonder if reviewers at DPR are employed because of their technical skills or because of their ethics or because of their skills with words.
For comparison, a much more cleverly worded and overall balanced view, based on mostly the very same observations as DPR's sounds like this (snips from conclusion only):
Source (if you delete the space after 'www'):
http://www .letsgodigital.org/en/camera/review/220/page_9.html
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Documensony
'Spontaneity is enabled by rigorous practice'
Documensony
Senior Member
Ah, that's what it is
Agreed.
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Documensony
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