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So I have my first ever trip to Hong Kong DL coming up in July and I was wondering if the mighty Canon 10-22 be a good choice to rent.

Factors

1) I will be carrying 18-55 any way. Is an amusement park like Disney Land a good choice to take 10-22 as well ?

2) Rental cost for a 5 day trip is around 10% of the cost of the new. So if I like it too much and end up buying it will make the new one appear to cost 10% more (I know, its a weird way of looking at it, LOL).

Any pointers? I would have bought this lens by now based on the rave reviews it gets, if only it was not costing more than my damn 500D body !!
 
Himanshu Gaurav said:
So I have my first ever trip to Hong Kong DL coming up in July and I was wondering if the mighty Canon 10-22 be a good choice to rent.

Factors

1) I will be carrying 18-55 any way. Is an amusement park like Disney Land a good choice to take 10-22 as well ?
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It depends on what you want to shoot. If you are taking pictures of your family, the 10-22 is probably not the best choice. i've looked at the pics in your gallery and if they accurately represent your 'vision' then you might not use the wide end of the 10-22 much. Also, if HK Disneyland is anything like the original (I visit there frequently) then an 18-55 is probably going to cover most of your shots.

If you are thinking of using the 10-22 to expand your shooting style, then go for it. Just remember that the 10mm end is not particularly flattering for photographing people at close range.
Himanshu Gaurav said:
2) Rental cost for a 5 day trip is around 10% of the cost of the new. So if I like it too much and end up buying it will make the new one appear to cost 10% more (I know, its a weird way of looking at it, LOL).
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I'd look at it another way. If you don't like the lens, you've just saved yourself the hassle of either sending it back for a refund or having to sell it later. So, if you are not sure if you are going to like using a 10-22, I'd rent one first.
Himanshu Gaurav said:
Any pointers? I would have bought this lens by now based on the rave reviews it gets, if only it was not costing more than my damn 500D body !!
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I would not buy a lens because of rave reviews. The lenses I own are all used to fill a particular niche. Honestly, how sharp a lens is does not really impress anybody except another photo enthusiast. More important is the composition of the photo and the message that you convey with it. Almost as important is the post processing to bring out the best qualities of the photo.

Have a good trip. Just a thought: if you're going with a young child, have fun first, do photos second. When my kids were small I only took a point and shoot along. Not many good photos, but a lot of good memories.
 
thanks a lot for insightful reply.

I will be going with my wife and two kids and your last bit of advise made me think :-)

....its just that I shoot a lot of landscape stuff on all my vacations (18 mm is one of my most used focal lengths) and wanted to try if 10-22 will add something to the type of pics that I shoot. Even at 18 mm, I would imagine 10-22 to give me much better results than 18-55...or not?? (Hmmm....)
 
Himanshu Gaurav said:
I will be going with my wife and two kids and your last bit of advise made me think :-)
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I usually try to separate my 'real' shooting from my 'family' shooting. I use what I've learned about composition and exposure, but I tend to use either an old Sony P&S or my Canon S3is. Then I don't have to carry a bunch of equipment.
Himanshu Gaurav said:
....its just that I shoot a lot of landscape stuff on all my vacations (18 mm is one of my most used focal lengths) and wanted to try if 10-22 will add something to the type of pics that I shoot. Even at 18 mm, I would imagine 10-22 to give me much better results than 18-55...or not?? (Hmmm....)
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Since you already know what sort of style you have, then it's mostly a matter of permission and money. At least in my family, I always have to get permission from the boss to make large purchases. On the plus side, my wife makes a very patient and helpful photo-assistant. Most of the folks that ask about lenses really don't really know enough about themselves, so they buy lenses they don't really need. You already know that you're bumping the 18mm end of your lens. You will definitely be going wide, it's just a matter of whether you want to do it on vacation or not. Just be warned: once you start buying lenses it never stops. If I didn't have college tuitions and a mortgage to pay I'd have at least a few more pieces of glass.

On a completely different subject, you might want to consider making a slideshow of the vacation. I find relatives tend to sit through a short (2-5 minute) montage with appropriate music. If you do that, don't forget to take some boring shots of signs and such to set up some of the scenes. And don't forget to have somebody take pictures of you. My wife gets mad at me because I'm rarely in the shots. A P&S is definitely handy for this. Again, have a great trip.
 
I've used the 10-22mm for about a week courtesy of a friend who was kind enough to lend. It is a great lens for landscape. It is very sharp and very clear, even at f/5.6 which is good.

For Disney, if you are looking to shoot fireworks from a position where you would like to capture part of the place as foreground, yes the 10-22mm can do the job. But if you are photographing people individually or as a group, the 18-55mm IS kit lens is a decent performer especially at f/7.1 to f/11 based on my own photos.

Btw, the 10-22mm is substantially heavier than the 18-55mm, which might matter for all-day photography.

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Himanshu Gaurav said:
Any pointers? I would have bought this lens by now based (...) , if only it was not costing more than my damn 500D body !!
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My favorite lens costed over twice as much as my 400D body (which is BTW not a damn body). I do have it this way rather than an expensive body with a cheap lens.
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..once again loved your last bit of advice. Someone at this forum recently pointed me to Microsoft's free PhotoStory s/w..prior to that I used to use Picasa or something else for this ....although now I have bought a nifty little HD media player which hooks up to my 1 TB HDD and plays the pics as slide show on our large 42" incher TV with a background MP3 playing....love it !!

..still for sharing with friends and relatives a photo montage the way u said is a great idea....(all of them are already waiting for pics for a trip that's a month away....its amazing how easy it is to be a photography hero in a family despite being a total noob at forums such as this, LOL !!)
 
...If you are careful about your compositions.

I love it for environmental portaits. The biggest trick is to hold the camera level (not tilted up or down) and keep the people more toward the center of the frame.

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Never said it couldn't...nice shots as usual. I just mentioned it's not particularly flattering. As you pointed out, at the 10mm end you really need to put your subjects toward the center of the frame and be careful with the angle. The OP is going on a vacation to HK Disneyland. If it's like the one in California I figured his people shots might be a little rushed and the 18-55 would be a better choice for that. Just my recollections of family outings to theme parks. BTW, what railroad museum is that?

Keep posting those fantastic shots. I don't comment on them, but I do look at them all.
 
Himanshu Gaurav said:
....its just that I shoot a lot of landscape stuff on all my vacations (18 mm is one of my most used focal lengths) and wanted to try if 10-22 will add something to the type of pics that I shoot. Even at 18 mm, I would imagine 10-22 to give me much better results than 18-55...or not?? (Hmmm....)
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I have both and I'm not even really sure. I once tried taking the same shot with the 10-22 at 22 and the 18-55 also at 22, same settings. I was having a hard time telling much of a difference at pixel level. But if I remember right that was stepped down, where the 18-55 really doesn't have many IQ faults.

Maybe I have a less than fully sharp 10-22, but I was looking at recent shots from it and I am pretty happy with them in general.

In any case though, I would recommend buying the lens if you can swing the money. You can get shots that are simply impossible with longer lenses.

Renting might be a good idea; however used lens sales on Craigslist can be around 90% of the new price if the condition is perfect.
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Ed Yamanaka said:
Never said it couldn't...nice shots as usual.
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Thanks and I just wanted to make a point about the people shots and jumped on your post. I have read quite a few claims that the 10-22 is too distorted for people shots, but I have found it quite capable.
Ed Yamanaka said:
theme parks. BTW, what railroad museum is that?
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One was from the Calico Ghost town in California:

http://www.calicotown.com/

The other is in Leadville, Colorado

http://www.leadville-train.com/
Ed Yamanaka said:
Keep posting those fantastic shots. I don't comment on them, but I do look at them all.
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This website inspired and taught me quite a bit. In 2004, when I first started on this forum, I had focus issues, exposure issues and a generally crappy malfunctioning brand new canon 300D. I learned a little bit about photography on this forum and my camera gear majically started working right.

If my posts can inspire and help someone else, I feel like I have given some of that back.

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This is the best lens I own ( and the most expensive). I used to use the tam 28-75 almost all the time for my gen. purpose lens. After I got the 10-22, I kind of just leave it on my cam. At 22mm it's a normal lens and at 10mm its freaky cool what you can get. The funny thing to get used to is how close you have to be to your subjects at either end. I would think a trip to Disney is something this lens was made for.

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CityLights said:
Thanks and I just wanted to make a point about the people shots and jumped on your post. I have read quite a few claims that the 10-22 is too distorted for people shots, but I have found it quite capable.
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I think it's more a matter that the photographer (you) is capable. Lenses are what they are. The biggest problem I see with lenses is that folks buy them thinking that the lens will make their pictures better. Then they blame the equipment when it doesn't 'perform'. As you know, it sometimes takes months to really understand how a new lens works. So, back to the OP's question: I was just thinking that a family vacation might not be the best time to try out a new lens that can be unkind to people if handled incorrectly. For him, it isn't even a matter of talent, but of time. At least for me, vacations were hectic enough without trying out new equipment. For family outings I tend to take a lens that I know really well.
CityLights said:
One was from the Calico Ghost town in California:
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That's it. I thought it looked familiar. When my son was little he liked trains a lot and we went all over California to places with trains. What threw me was you had the other picture of Leadville (we've never been there) and I thought they were both taken in the same place.
CityLights said:
This website inspired and taught me quite a bit. In 2004, when I first started on this forum, I had focus issues, exposure issues and a generally crappy malfunctioning brand new canon 300D. I learned a little bit about photography on this forum and my camera gear majically started working right.

If my posts can inspire and help someone else, I feel like I have given some of that back.
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It's amazing how most equipment problems seem to correct themselves after a few reads through the manual and a few thousand exposures. You have definitely inspired quite a few people. Heck, one of these days I'm going to get back to Utah and shoot Zion, Bryce, Capitol Reef, and Canyonlands again. It's been 20 years and I figure I could do a better job now.
 
I don't have personal experience with the 10-22, and it's not even the lens I'd get next, but I want to address your closing concern that the lens costs more than the body.

The most important part of a photo is the skills of the photographer, but the second most important is the lens. When people ask if they should upgrade their glass or their body, almost every time the advice is to spend the money on glass. My lenses are worth over 5x what my XTi is, and I'm still considering more glass before a body upgrade.

In short, don't sweat it. =)
 
Your examples are amazing CityLights, if I buy the lens and get shots half as good as yours I will be very proud.

I like how you showed some examples at different focal lengths, do you have any more to share? Or a link to a gallery with your 10-22 shots?
CityLights said:
...If you are careful about your compositions.

I love it for environmental portaits. The biggest trick is to hold the camera level (not tilted up or down) and keep the people more toward the center of the frame.

10mm



10mm



13mm



15mm



15mm



16mm



17mm



If you are not careful, you might even get your feet in the shot...



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http://www.pbase.com/citylights
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kobeson said:
Your examples are amazing CityLights
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Thanks,
kobeson said:
Or a link to a gallery with your 10-22 shots?
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I use the 10-22 quite a bit. I don't have a gallery strictly for 10-22 shots, but you can look through my regular gallery. All pictures show exif information at the bottom. Anything shot in the 10-16mm range is from the 10-22. Anything in the 17-22mm range might be from the 10-22 or 17-40. Here's a link to my gallery:

http://www.pbase.com/citylights

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