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Hi Pet !
I know you didn't make the rules. No worries. I am not angry at all.

File size is not the problem. Picture is only ~ 78KB (it's greyscale and compressed). To get it down to 600*600 I need to crop 100x100 pixel which would cut into the portrait. I could try to change the resolution. May be it give this a go.

Cheers
Reinhard
PowerPet said:
I think we're still in the beginning of the challenge, so why
should your picture be killed off... just resize it and repost
under your first post. We all make mistakes!

Petra
reinhard said:
Well, too bad for me then. Could not crop it down to 600x600 -
would kill the picture.

Next time another try.

Cheers
Reinhard
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Cheers
Reinhard
 
Uhm... I still don't get it... why not just go into Photoshop Image Size and type in 600x600 pixles instead of 800x800 pixles... that would resize the picture. No need to crop! Add a bit of sharpening if needed and resave.

Petra
reinhard said:
Cheers
Reinhard
PowerPet said:
I think we're still in the beginning of the challenge, so why
should your picture be killed off... just resize it and repost
under your first post. We all make mistakes!

Petra
reinhard said:
Well, too bad for me then. Could not crop it down to 600x600 -
would kill the picture.

Next time another try.

Cheers
Reinhard
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Reinhard
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Hi Pet !

Well, you know what ? You are absolutely right. I am so adopted to prints that I never think about resizing. Haven't got PS on this computer but will re-post the pic tomorrow in 600x600 (it's the 3rd time now because my picture hosting side decided to have a disk crash...).

Cheers
Reinhard
PowerPet said:
Petra
reinhard said:
Cheers
Reinhard
PowerPet said:
I think we're still in the beginning of the challenge, so why
should your picture be killed off... just resize it and repost
under your first post. We all make mistakes!

Petra
reinhard said:
Well, too bad for me then. Could not crop it down to 600x600 -
would kill the picture.

Next time another try.

Cheers
Reinhard
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Reinhard
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Cheers
Reinhard
 
Sid Daley said:
Your theory is definitely sound but the other thing
I'm finding is if I right click and do a save as with IE
on about 15% of the posts I get a Bmp but when
I use Opera with the same link I get a Jpg.

Beats the heck out of me.
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I can totally understand you -- the software is still a jungle full of hidden pits and traps, even though things may look standard on surface. I am in software development myself and I am using lots of other programs, so I can tell that we as users can never predict how the software works, unless developer puts a lot of effort and care to make it understandable and user-friendly. Some developers do care, some care less. I know how frustrating it is to run into the latter.

Sid, as for our situation... if it is going to save you any amount of time having it working in IE, please give me examples of those "15% of the posts" where using my suggestion did not give you JPG. I will try to find the reason, and how to make it work. There may be other tricks. :)

Thanks again for your efforts,
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Good constructive critisim takes practice to offer as well. So maybe it's not so much that people are reluctant to give serious critism so much as they're not sure IF it's valueable critism.

I like Tangle but I don't love it. I enjoy very much exploring texture in my photographs which is why I spend a lot of time on the macro side of the street (even though my submission this time wasn't macro laughs ).

I enjoy the texture, but to be honest, and maybe it's my monitor calibration (which if true worries me about my post then), I didn't even know there was a woman in there. I think the resolution has something to do with that as well, and the fact that we have to downsize for the competition.

I enjoyed the interesting texture but I would have liked a tad more contrast. But that's just personal preference. I tend to overexpose a lot of my pictures which suits my taste, I like VERY heavy contrsast. No... not kodalith contrast... but true blacks and whites. Which is something I LOVED about "Are you there god" the contrast was very moving to me.

I didn't find tangle moving but I found it interesting and well worth my time! Thank you for shareing it with me and if burried in there is some constructive critisim-YEA! If not, my apologies for wasteing your time.
  • Josh
sempai said:
Frank Vigil said:
lol, sempai. I think people are reluctent to give serious
criticism around here, which is sad. People will say "wow, great
shot" which is always wonderful to hear, but I also enjoy a more
serious response, even if it's not a "knocked me over with that
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I hearby go on notice. I will not take better pictures without
thoughtful, good criticism. Nobody is doing me favors with silence
or back-patting!

I appreciate your comments greatly, and am already preparing for
more photographs with another model taking your comments to heart.
I hope I can do them justice.
sempai said:
intimately familiar with THAT concept!). The model needed to be
just a little more visible in the shot, it's almost too hard to
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This was a poor choice for B&W. I compare the results from the
color and the model is much more visible and I'm not certain if its
the light skin or red hair that really makes the character stand
out - but it is apparent that I chose poorly, trying to shoe-horn
rather than take something that naturally was going to work out in
B&W.
sempai said:
penetration through the netting and to also create more hide and
seek with the shadows it creates? I don't know, as I said, I like
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ding! good thought. will do.
sempai said:
lighting. I would have liked to have seen what your new light
setup could have done for you!! I think this type of shot needs to
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I assure you it is doing more harm than good sometimes! I run fans
while I do shoots because I was limited in budget and got a trio of
Big Bad Lamps!
sempai said:
be more "bold" and I don't mean "nudity" I think what nudity there
is in this shot is just fine, a "hint" but nothing you don't see on
TV (in fact, far less).
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I didn't think the content would offend anyone. It's very disguised.
sempai said:
This may not have been helpful, but it's the best I can do as I'm
in between packing for a trip tomorrow :)
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Frank, I appreciate your comments a lot. I hope to do right by you
in the future and one day you'll say to yourself "hey, the punk kid
from D.C. finally gets it."

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You know... for a chat thread in a photo competition this is a VERY quiet group. laughs

And I'm wondering if everyone is being nice and not telling me how awful my picture is, or if you're just too busy on other threads.

I would however like to toss my hat in the arena and request critisim, good or bad... constructive or not. I doubt there's anything nasty one could call me that hasn't already been said. laughs

Thank you all, for such a great active group. It has manyfold increased the enjoyment I've found in my 5700 and I look forward to future challenges.

BTW... if nobodoy likes my picture can I claim it's a bias against janitors? Or should I just think that everyone was nicely pointing out that I cannot spell trepidation?

HAHAHHAHAH

Thanks again,

Joshua Lerner
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sorry to show my ignorance of forums but what does it mean when you put bump as a thread subject. I've seen it a few times on this forum recently and have so far been unable to figure out what it actaully means

Thanks

Ian
 
elias said:
Sid, as for our situation... if it is going to save you any amount
of time having it working in IE, please give me examples of those
"15% of the posts" where using my suggestion did not give you JPG.
I will try to find the reason, and how to make it work. There may
be other tricks. :)

Thanks again for your efforts,
--
Elias (coolpix 4500, UV filter, slave flash, plus trivial digital
stuff)
http://www.pbase.com/elias
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Thanks Elias, originally I thought the posters were somehow
uploading the images that way but seeing as that is not the
case I don't mind using Opera to save the pictures.
No sweat.

Appreciate the offer, and thanks for the nice comments.

Sid

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It's just a way to get the thread back up on the first
page so as more people will see it..

Sid
Ian Parry said:
sorry to show my ignorance of forums but what does it mean when you
put bump as a thread subject. I've seen it a few times on this
forum recently and have so far been unable to figure out what it
actaully means

Thanks

Ian
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You're picture is a very nice interpretion of a every-day
scene, It has a very nice range of tone and the composition
is pleasant..

Sorry about all the sleepy-heads around here, their probably
out click,clicking,,

Sid
Joshua Lerner said:
You know... for a chat thread in a photo competition this is a VERY
quiet group. laughs

And I'm wondering if everyone is being nice and not telling me how
awful my picture is, or if you're just too busy on other threads.

I would however like to toss my hat in the arena and request
critisim, good or bad... constructive or not. I doubt there's
anything nasty one could call me that hasn't already been said.
laughs

Thank you all, for such a great active group. It has manyfold
increased the enjoyment I've found in my 5700 and I look forward
to future challenges.

BTW... if nobodoy likes my picture can I claim it's a bias against
janitors? Or should I just think that everyone was nicely pointing
out that I cannot spell trepidation?

HAHAHHAHAH

Thanks again,

Joshua Lerner
[email protected]
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Hahhahaha someone is alive!

Well I'd have to say it's much better to be out shooting than critiquing. Sorry, I don't spell well. I think it's a subconsious resistance to my editor wife's urgings that I improve.

Anyway thanks Sid. I just saw your post on the submissions thread and like it very much. I'm really out of practice with criticism. There also wasn't a lot for me to offer in terms of improvement... well none. I like the contrast, the texture and the subject matter.

As for mine, I enjoy very much trying to take everyday scenes and make people take a second look. I think there are so many intersting images and sights around us that we tend to tune them out.

I can walk around my company's campus or just sit in my office and come up wtih pictures I enjoy looking at quite a while. I love seeing things through a macro view, seeing a perspective that I would never normally take on an object or place or person and storeing the instant for extended contemplation.

Ooo yuck that sounded bad.

I like Haiku... and to me photography is like a hiaku... it's that one captured moment, that one second where you see and share the vision of someone else... just for a split second. And in a split second you can live more than some people do over days.

So, sorry... yes everyone can tease stuipd Josh for being corny. But I do believe it.

Thanks very very much for the feedback. I'll take it to assume that you're not fond of the subject matter. Do you think there's something that could have been done to interest you in the subject matter and it was my composition that was lacking. Or do you more feel that "umm... well Josh I'd never really care to look at traffic cones for an extended period of time".

laughs and grins

Thanks again,

Josh
Sid Daley said:
Sorry about all the sleepy-heads around here, their probably
out click,clicking,,

Sid
Joshua Lerner said:
You know... for a chat thread in a photo competition this is a VERY
quiet group. laughs

And I'm wondering if everyone is being nice and not telling me how
awful my picture is, or if you're just too busy on other threads.

I would however like to toss my hat in the arena and request
critisim, good or bad... constructive or not. I doubt there's
anything nasty one could call me that hasn't already been said.
laughs

Thank you all, for such a great active group. It has manyfold
increased the enjoyment I've found in my 5700 and I look forward
to future challenges.

BTW... if nobodoy likes my picture can I claim it's a bias against
janitors? Or should I just think that everyone was nicely pointing
out that I cannot spell trepidation?

HAHAHHAHAH

Thanks again,

Joshua Lerner
[email protected]
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Joshua Lerner said:
Thanks very very much for the feedback. I'll take it to assume
that you're not fond of the subject matter. Do you think there's
something that could have been done to interest you in the subject
matter and it was my composition that was lacking. Or do you more
feel that "umm... well Josh I'd never really care to look at
traffic cones for an extended period of time".

laughs and grins

Thanks again,

Josh
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On the contrary, I found you did very well with an otherwise
bland/plain object and that's what photography is all about
(interpretation)..

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Sid, what is the title of your entry?

BTW, did the water have something in it or is that the light playing off the water?

I love how much contrast you were able to incorporate into this image. What time of day was it taken?

Kudos on a beautiful picture.

Thanks,

Josh
Sid Daley said:
Joshua Lerner said:
Thanks very very much for the feedback. I'll take it to assume
that you're not fond of the subject matter. Do you think there's
something that could have been done to interest you in the subject
matter and it was my composition that was lacking. Or do you more
feel that "umm... well Josh I'd never really care to look at
traffic cones for an extended period of time".

laughs and grins

Thanks again,

Josh
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On the contrary, I found you did very well with an otherwise
bland/plain object and that's what photography is all about
(interpretation)..

Sid

Sid's Gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500
Coolpix 4500 Community:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nikon-4500/
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I'm glad you understood what I meant. I can fully understand what happend, my brain sometimes does that to me too... stop working completly or is working in a very narrow minded way. :-)

I'm sure everyone would disregard the 800x800 picture if you post the right size before the challenge is over. We all have those days when the brain doesn't work.

Now I'm going to bed and hopefully MY brain will work better tomorrow.

Petra
reinhard said:
Hi Pet !
Well, you know what ? You are absolutely right. I am so adopted to
prints that I never think about resizing. Haven't got PS on this
computer but will re-post the pic tomorrow in 600x600 (it's the 3rd
time now because my picture hosting side decided to have a disk
crash...).

Cheers
Reinhard
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Joshua Lerner said:
You know... for a chat thread in a photo competition this is a VERY
quiet group. laughs
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Thanks for bringing it up Joshua, I thought this was "normal" as it's the first time I've entered anything in contest and I haven't paid much attention to this thread till now. I myself don't feel qualified enough to even begin to critique latex paint on the kitchen wall, but in your photo I really like the composition and simplicity of your subject and the textures, although the tall cones being cropped bothers me for some reason and I don't know why. I think my own submission is a bit too contrasty, and I fought with cropping out the window light at the bottom or leaving it but figured it was an intrical part of the moment so I left it, but I'm probably wrong. We are our own worst critics though, aren't we?
 
I think your composition is WONDERFUL! Your choice for the extreme contrast was an excellent one, in my opinion (which while near worthless is not completely without value-I hope heheheheheh). Anyway I think the composition and positioning of your subject was perfect and without a doubt your choice of title GREALTY enhances the photograph. As I mentioned in another post though, I'm a sucker for deep blacks and white whites... I love that contrast and in my own photos will often over expose or later in photoshop increase the contrast past other people's likeing.

Are you there god is a wonderful picture and if I could offer any feedback it would be that if displaying it you always include the title. Which to me completed the moment.

Thanks for the feedback and thanks for sharing your work,

Josh
GreenEyedMonster said:
Joshua Lerner said:
You know... for a chat thread in a photo competition this is a VERY
quiet group. laughs
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Thanks for bringing it up Joshua, I thought this was "normal" as
it's the first time I've entered anything in contest and I haven't
paid much attention to this thread till now. I myself don't feel
qualified enough to even begin to critique latex paint on the
kitchen wall, but in your photo I really like the composition and
simplicity of your subject and the textures, although the tall
cones being cropped bothers me for some reason and I don't know
why. I think my own submission is a bit too contrasty, and I
fought with cropping out the window light at the bottom or leaving
it but figured it was an intrical part of the moment so I left it,
but I'm probably wrong. We are our own worst critics though, aren't
we?
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Hi Josh, I never thought much about the title but how
does "Water in the Fall" sound. Basically the reason for
the high contrast is because the camera was mounted on
a tripod and the image was exposed for 8 seconds to allow
the moving water time to soften. The picture was also taken
when it was getting to be quite dark to allow for the time
exposure..

Sid
Joshua Lerner said:
Sid, what is the title of your entry?

BTW, did the water have something in it or is that the light
playing off the water?

I love how much contrast you were able to incorporate into this
image. What time of day was it taken?

Kudos on a beautiful picture.

Thanks,

Josh
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