firefox23508
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I thought the plan was to have a top end model with EVF built into the body by now ... has anyone heard anything?
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Is Oly going to ever build an M4/3 with built in VF?
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You can bet on it.
That's one reason why I was perfectly happy with my E-P1 and didn't spend the extra several hundred for the E-P2 and/or the electronic viewfinder. I'm sure the VF-2 is great and I'd love to have one for use in bright light. However, I strongly suspect that the accessory electronic viewfinder may become an "orphaned" accessory in the near future.
Remember, the system is only a year old. The E-P1 and E-P2 were the first generation cameras and the E-PL1 is a second generation camera. That's a LOT of progress in one year. Let's not make the mistake of the full size 4/3 crowd and expect Oly to introduce new cameras every few months. They need SOME time for R&D.
I'd bet my house that Olympus will introduce a model with a built in EVF.
By that time, I'll be willing to upgrade from the E-P1.
That's one reason why I was perfectly happy with my E-P1 and didn't spend the extra several hundred for the E-P2 and/or the electronic viewfinder. I'm sure the VF-2 is great and I'd love to have one for use in bright light. However, I strongly suspect that the accessory electronic viewfinder may become an "orphaned" accessory in the near future.
Remember, the system is only a year old. The E-P1 and E-P2 were the first generation cameras and the E-PL1 is a second generation camera. That's a LOT of progress in one year. Let's not make the mistake of the full size 4/3 crowd and expect Oly to introduce new cameras every few months. They need SOME time for R&D.
I'd bet my house that Olympus will introduce a model with a built in EVF.
By that time, I'll be willing to upgrade from the E-P1.
Considering the success of the competition -- G1, G2, G10, GH1 (so far, with no signs of stopping) -- they have no choice. It's not much of a bet.
The last big sales period before Photokina/back-to-school is the period between Mother's Day and college graduation. If nothing's been announced by now, camera manufacturers will be in no rush to introduce anything during the slow summer sales period.
Since this is a Photokina year, cameramakers will likely take advantage of the free publicity from all the assembled press to introduce new gear at and just before Photokina.
Would really suck if it is. I don't see a reason not to support it. Sure - make cameras to compete against the g1/gh1, but for the pen series, there's no reason not to keep it.
Ideed. Fitting the VF-2 inside a body will make a camera bigger and decrease its appeal, at least for those who have a dSLR.
To me small size is more important than and EVF. Perhaps an OLED screen, or a tilt one, could do as well if it keeps size down.
The VF-2 also eats a lot of battery power, so there is no free lunch.
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Midnighter
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No googoo gaagaa thinking, just common sence. It stands to reason along with them pulling out of low end 4/3 cameras bodies.
With the VF-2 turned on the main LCD is off. The size of the LCD in the VF-2 is physically much smaller than the main LCD.
Seems to me that using the VF-2 instead of the LCD might extend battery life. Has anyone done any testing of this?
Seems to me that using the VF-2 instead of the LCD might extend battery life. Has anyone done any testing of this?
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I wonder if it would be possible for some ingenious manufacturer to turn the LCD into a viewfinder when you place your face up to it. Surely they could just shrink the lcd view into a viewfinder size view (with an adjustable size and di-opter) with some electronic wzardry and maybe add a curtain around the lcd that can spring out against your face to block out light. Then you would not need to worry about increasing the physical size of the camera to accommodate what is essentially another lcd panel. There would be no need for external add-on devices either.
captain-beardy
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I do hope so, and preferably within the PEN format. Otherwise my purchase of the E-P1 is going to look silly in the long run.
Bilgy_no1
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Contrary to expectations, the EVF seems to use more power than the LCD. Perhaps because there are more pixels in the EVF?
I've read this somewhere, but don't recall where.
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I don't think so. Did you read the interviews of Olympus' workers and managers published by Dpreview ? Did you read their press releases ? it doesn't sound like you did. They want the pen series to remain small and they don't want to stop the production of 4/3. MFT has to be pocketable and small and that doesn't speak for an integrated VF. Personnally, I find it right so. It is much easier to keep the VF in a separate pocket and to keep the body small.
What I'd like however is an articulated VF. This way one can skip the VF totally if it is too expensive. It is a pitty that the cameras not having a VF don't have the articulated lcd either (E-P1, GF1 etc..).
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An orphaned accessory ???!!! while it is one of the most usefull !! this sounds like a rather stupid bet IMO.
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I fully agree but for the last line. It is nice to keep the VF in your pocket, without eating battery and take it out when you need it, aka in the bright sun.
An articulated lcd would be the best. It allows two things : a) avoid bright sun and b) take untill now unavailable angle of view.>
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Well, what about resolution ? if the image is much smaller, you need a better resolution.. Do you think that an lcd with two different resolution could be implemented ? Methink it's easier to keep both separated.
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If you add a VF to the pen format, then it won't look like a pen anymore. To big a part to insert in the body to keep the same look.
I vote against it and for an articulated lcd. A separate VF is a nice complementing accessory and should remain so.
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Let's not be silly. "Pen" is just a marketing name. There's no law that Olympus can't make a micro 4/3 camera with an integral viewfinder, whether or not they call it a "Pen." Given the success of the G1, G2, GH1 and the upcoming GH2 -- as well as the recent Panasonic patent showing a GF-style camera with integral viewfinder -- Olympus management would be stupid indeed to ignore the consumer demand for such a camera.
It may be a marketing game for you. For me it is a camera having a nice shape. One which sits well in your hands and remembers a rangefinder. I have no idea whether Olympus will make a camera like you want or not and don't bet on that neither on the contrary. I was just pointing to the inconsequence of the previous post stating that he would like a VF "preferably withing the PEN format". Personnally I think that it is not possible to keep the nice compact PEN size while adding a VF. It is not a case if Olympus designed the two to be separate.
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Thinking about the G2 but lack of in-body stabilization and few lenses make me wait. Much depends on Oly making a similar camera, but not if it is an inferior EVF and another 230.000 LCD.
But seems the talk about Oly is only speculation and rumours.
"I wonder if it would be possible for some ingenious manufacturer to turn the LCD into a viewfinder when you place your face up to it. Surely they could just shrink the lcd view into a viewfinder size view (with an adjustable size and di-opter) with some electronic wzardry and maybe add a curtain around the lcd ................"
Interesting. Was just thinking about how to make an LCD into a viewfinder..
Have tried Minolta A2 with tilting high quality EVF, let's see more of that!
But seems the talk about Oly is only speculation and rumours.
"I wonder if it would be possible for some ingenious manufacturer to turn the LCD into a viewfinder when you place your face up to it. Surely they could just shrink the lcd view into a viewfinder size view (with an adjustable size and di-opter) with some electronic wzardry and maybe add a curtain around the lcd ................"
Interesting. Was just thinking about how to make an LCD into a viewfinder..
Have tried Minolta A2 with tilting high quality EVF, let's see more of that!
You're not paying attention. I don't care what you like or dislike or will or won't buy. I was discussing and replying to the discussion of the likelihood of Olympus making m43 cameras with integral finders.
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