NEX...a worthy replacement for the R1 ?

If they do,I fear that new CZ lens will sell for more than one had to pay for the whole R1 combo when new.

So far,it's all rumors so there's no exact date.

Moti said:

John, you are making a storm in a cup of tea. My gear is Canon based and the door issue never bothered me. Why? because I never open the card door unless it is necessary and so does every photographer. At the same rate I never opened a file camera back because of the same reason.

On the other hand, if this is the only argument you could dig out about Canon cameras than they are really not so bad as you think.

When one's sole purpose is to bash a camera or behave like a troll as you like to dscribe it sometimes, then every argument can make part of the game and become a "major engineering catastrophe" for every feature, in every camera including your beloved A900, with lousy low light performance and extreme difficulties to set the ISO value as you have complained about, which btw, with a Canon or Nikon dSLR is a piece of cake.

See how silly that sounds? exactly like your door issue. So lets try and stay practical because trolling won't get us anywhere.

I repeat again, unlike what you said, Nikon and canon do listen very carefully to what photographers has to say, much more than Sony and this is a fact, weather you like it or not and taht is probably one of the reasons wby pros prefer to work with them and not with Sony.

jrdu said:

It has no effect on the operation of the camera. Neither does opening the battery door affect any Sony camera.

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Good for you, completely unimportant for me.

Moti said:

Only in Canon Cameras, Moti. It's clear, here, that your definition of what a camera is, has Canon in it.

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again for trolling I find this argument good enough.

Moti said:

It is an embarrassing admission on Canon's part, that they haven't got a clue how to construct an electronic device.

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And yet, most pros in the world prefer them over Sony... is this because they haven't got a clue how to construct an electronic device?

Moti said:

Moti, if you leave your lens cap on, you can't take a photo.

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Yes you can. If you would have come from film age and had the experience of shooting with an RF camera such as Leica for example, you'd know that this was one of the common mistakes every photographer could do, because there was no indication to warn you about it. So what, is it a "terrible fault in engineering" probably yes if you are a troll.

Moti said:

But if you take your lens cap off, and you are using a Canon camera, there's a good chance that some design flaw will cause you to lose your shot.

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Funny, I am using a Canon camera and never lost a photo because of that door. I lost however many photos with my R1 because of it's extremely slow reaction...

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you mean your canon can actually focus.

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Moti said:

Living with it... is an admission on your part that it is a flaw. We don't live with features of a camera, we have to learn to live with flaws.

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No. For me, living with it means knowing your camera and using it in a good way. Every camera has its pros and cons and lots of compromises and like anything else in life, even marriage, one should knows how to appreciate the pros and to live with the cons.

For example, one of the cameras I liked the most is the F828 even though it had a "terrible fault in engineering" ie horrible PF as you know. I don't remember any other camera here that made such a great food for trolls as this one. I bought the 828 in spite of the bad opinions and once I found the solution and learned how to get around the issue, it worked fantastically and I enjoyed it very much. Of course, I could join the rant club as you did but that's not my style.

Moti said:

Maybe, but it's much more likely that Canon is an arrogant leader in DSLR sales who think that they can give their customers any crap at all, and force them to live with stupid electronic booby traps in their cameras, because they really don't care about what reviewers and users tell them, year after year.

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John, no one forces you to buy cr@p. it is your own choice and responsibility. If you do it, you are the only one to blame, not those that produce it.

Moti said:

I know that I'm not a photographer in your eyes, Moti.

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As much as you like to ride on that horse John, that was a general remark and was not particular meant for you or your photography skills.

Moti said:

In your eyes, a photographer has to use a Canon camera.

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No, in my eyes, a photographer is someone who knows very well his tools and learns how to live with flaws as opposed to a troll who prefers to complain about them instead and above all, a photographer would never blame his camera when something gets wrong.

Moti said:

I'm not complaining about this issue, however. This has never been an issue for me on any of my Sony cameras, or on the Fuji camera that was given to me. Canon users complained about this, but Canon never listened. I can see that you agree with Canon.

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John, it has nothing to do with agreeing. I am trying to feed my family with my photography and I'm very happy with what I have even if it has a Canon label and it suffers from all kinds of terrible engineering problems. Complaining was never my national sport as it is for others here.

Cheers
Moti

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Does not have the same ergonomics of the R1. The top mounted swivel LCD and size is an advantage over the new "smaller/thiner" configuration. SONY had a winner 5 years ago with the R1, since then they have been building "me to" DSLRs and now a "me to" EVIL.
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zxaar said:

you mean your canon can actually focus.

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Are you serious? You really don't have a clue, do you?

If I may, allow me to present a study in sharpness. My friend, it is very, very doubtful that you have ever taken a photograph as sharp as these, or for that matter, as sharp as any of my stuff.

Now, why don't you go outside and find a nicely lit flower and go take it's picture.





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zxaar said:

you mean your canon can actually focus.

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LOL no it can't actually but I found a workaround. I take blurry photos, call them fine art and sell them for lots of money.

Cheers
Moti

Don't take it seriously Rich. zxaar is probably one of those who never saw a Canon dSLR from close distance but seems to know everything about it better than anyone else and would takes every opportunity to bash it. Known national sport here in STF.

Cheers
Moti

Moti said:

zxaar said:

you mean your canon can actually focus.

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LOL no it can't actually but I found a workaround. I take blurry photos, call them fine art and sell them for lots of money.

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My D700's and D300S's could do that too

guess its time to start practising in such sales tricks

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Moti said:

Don't take it seriously Rich. zxaar is probably one of those who never saw a Canon dSLR from close distance but seems to know everything about it better than anyone else and would takes every opportunity to bash it. Known national sport here in STF.

Cheers
Moti

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It seems to me that bashing Sony is national sports here in STF.

No matter how much you jump about your canon it is a fact that there are many of threads talking about canon's AF issues in canon forums. Which was the camera that canon finally admitted AF problems. It was their leading cam for that time. Wasn't it.

You missed some shots due to R1 slowness but your canon can focus 100% to the point where you want with perfection. And you never missed anything due to it.

If you say so than I would say you are plain lying (not alien trait to you it seems).

It seems to me your only presence here is to bash sony and its product. You are not more than a sophisticated troll.

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Nikon behaves ........owh it does great... focussing system is wonderfull.
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zxaar said:

It seems to me that bashing Sony is national sports here in STF.

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Bashing every camera in almost any forum is a national sport here. But when people comment about their own cameras in the appropriate forum, it is not bashing even if they criticize. If I own an R1, which I do, I have all the rights to comment about it in STF because this is the right place to do it. Maybe not everyone would agree with me but this is my forum here.

On the other hand, those who criticize cameras they do not own, they don't know, or never had any experience shooting with it and all they do is repeating like monkeys things they heard somewhere else, like you do here, are trolls anyway you look at it.

zxaar said:

No matter how much you jump about your canon it is a fact that there are many of threads talking about canon's AF issues in canon forums. Which was the camera that canon finally admitted AF problems. It was their leading cam for that time. Wasn't it.

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You take things completely out of their context because you probably haven't read my post before you started trolling and if you had, you haven't understood anything.

So here is it again in a simple way which will help you to understand better :

zxaar said:

I wrote:

Funny, I am using a Canon camera and never lost a photo because of that door. I lost however many photos with my R1 because of it's extremely slow reaction...

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This was a cynical answer to someone who claims that you risk to loose photos if you open the battery door while you shoot, which of course is a stupid thing to do.

As you can see, there was no, I repeat NO mention or connection whatsoever to any focusing problem of any kind. I hope you can see it clear now.

Nevertheless, this didn't disturb you to jump in with the following comment:

zxaar said:

you mean your canon can actually focus.

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which is not only arrogant and stupid but also completely OT.
If this is not trolling than I don't know what is.

zxaar said:

You missed some shots due to R1 slowness but your canon can focus 100% to the point where you want with perfection. And you never missed anything due to it.

If you say so than I would say you are plain lying (not alien trait to you it seems).

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If you really want to know, Here is how I go:

About my accuracy, it all depends on the type of the job I shoot and the environment. For studio work, Portraits, product and architectural stuff, where I have time to plan the shot, I always focus 100% to the point where I want with 100% perfection. Not because I use Canon but because I can do it with ANY camera including the R1. That is something very basic that every photographer should be able to do and if you can't do it, don't blame a camera for that. Go look at the mirror instead.

For other jobs such as weddings, where lots of things happens everywhere and you have to shoot very fast, I use only the center point and apply the focus exactly there where I want it. I find it much more accurate that way. I use a lot of pre-focusing in many situations and after 50 years of experience, you learn to anticipate and to wait with your camera already precisely focused there where you need it. Of course I can't be 100% precise here but I'm generally not very far from that, which I think is not too bad. Again, don't jump on the canon carriage, I'd do more or less the same with any dSLR. I specify dSLR here because a camera such as the R1 for example, is not suitable for such a job - and that's not bashing, that's a technical fact if you can understand the difference.

zxaar said:

It seems to me your only presence here is to bash sony and its product. You are not more than a sophisticated troll.

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read above...

Moti

Sorry to wake up a dead thread, but I was wondering if the Sony R1 lens could be revived into a Sony E mount? Yes, it might look like a monstrous on that tiny body, but why not? Sony still has the IP rights to that lens, right? Needs 'just some modification' to overcome the 2mm lens-sensor distance. Maybe not?



K.

Marti58 said:

because the optics are not from the same quality + lesser controls.

its a new designed camera and should be judged as that.
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Since Sony has proven that they can make such a tiny body, wouldn't it be nice that next NEX (7?) be dimensioned less-ridiculously to incorporate a proper shutter speed dial and direct tactile button access to basic functions?

I mean, something like this (doesn't really need the red dot, though) )) :



K.

Koray said:

Sorry to wake up a dead thread, but I was wondering if the Sony R1 lens could be revived into a Sony E mount? Yes, it might look like a monstrous on that tiny body, but why not? Sony still has the IP rights to that lens, right? Needs 'just some modification' to overcome the 2mm lens-sensor distance. Maybe not?

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Great idea!

BWT thank you very much for that picture. Now I know why the R1's shutter can be so silent.

Regards,
Karsten

Here is another great idea, then: what if they can keep the central shutter in the R1 lens when they convert to E mount? This way the camera can achieve very high flash synchronisation and be as silent as R1! I don't know if the electronic connections in E mount has enough bandwith to control a secondary shutter, though.

The idea is just like the leaf shutter option on Leica S2. You can purchase the same lens with a central leaf shutter with the ability to turn it off. But of course financially this may not make sense since the audience of Leica S2 and NEX are at two ends of the spectrum! :-D

K.

Karsten Meyer said:

Koray said:

Sorry to wake up a dead thread, but I was wondering if the Sony R1 lens could be revived into a Sony E mount? Yes, it might look like a monstrous on that tiny body, but why not? Sony still has the IP rights to that lens, right? Needs 'just some modification' to overcome the 2mm lens-sensor distance. Maybe not?

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Great idea!

BWT thank you very much for that picture. Now I know why the R1's shutter can be so silent.

Regards,
Karsten

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I'm going to get the NEX-5, just placed my preorder down today. As someone who is stepping up from a point and shoot (Panasonic TZ7) I'm not quite ready to lug about a DSLR nor do I ever wish to.

Was debating between the Panasonic GF1 and this and ended up going for the NEX-5 simply because it is smaller and has easier features such as auto HDR and the sweep panorama. Another reason I went for the NEX-5 instead of the GF1 was because the cost. The GF1 with the 20mm lens cost around £640 whereas the NEX-5 is being sold in a bundle with both 16mm and 18-55mm lenses, a 16GB memory card, body case, case snout and Sony digital photo frame all for £679!

I think people really should wait until they're released which I hear isn't long at all. In fact, Jessops in the UK say they'll be receiving limited stocks in their stores this week! Unfortunately I won't but I'm looking forward to getting mine soon!

Moti said:

zxaar said:

It seems to me that bashing Sony is national sports here in STF.

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Bashing every camera in almost any forum is a national sport here. But when people comment about their own cameras in the appropriate forum, it is not bashing even if they criticize. If I own an R1, which I do, I have all the rights to comment about it in STF because this is the right place to do it. Maybe not everyone would agree with me but this is my forum here.

On the other hand, those who criticize cameras they do not own, they don't know, or never had any experience shooting with it and all they do is repeating like monkeys things they heard somewhere else, like you do here, are trolls anyway you look at it.

Moti said:

No matter how much you jump about your canon it is a fact that there are many of threads talking about canon's AF issues in canon forums. Which was the camera that canon finally admitted AF problems. It was their leading cam for that time. Wasn't it.

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You take things completely out of their context because you probably haven't read my post before you started trolling and if you had, you haven't understood anything.

So here is it again in a simple way which will help you to understand better :

Moti said:

I wrote:

Funny, I am using a Canon camera and never lost a photo because of that door. I lost however many photos with my R1 because of it's extremely slow reaction...

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This was a cynical answer to someone who claims that you risk to loose photos if you open the battery door while you shoot, which of course is a stupid thing to do.

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Sorry did not read your post.

I got your point this time, probably yes i mis-understood what you said.

PS: did not read your rest of post.

Moti said:

As you can see, there was no, I repeat NO mention or connection whatsoever to any focusing problem of any kind. I hope you can see it clear now.

Nevertheless, this didn't disturb you to jump in with the following comment:

Moti said:

you mean your canon can actually focus.

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which is not only arrogant and stupid but also completely OT.
If this is not trolling than I don't know what is.

Moti said:

You missed some shots due to R1 slowness but your canon can focus 100% to the point where you want with perfection. And you never missed anything due to it.

If you say so than I would say you are plain lying (not alien trait to you it seems).

Click to expand...

If you really want to know, Here is how I go:

About my accuracy, it all depends on the type of the job I shoot and the environment. For studio work, Portraits, product and architectural stuff, where I have time to plan the shot, I always focus 100% to the point where I want with 100% perfection. Not because I use Canon but because I can do it with ANY camera including the R1. That is something very basic that every photographer should be able to do and if you can't do it, don't blame a camera for that. Go look at the mirror instead.

For other jobs such as weddings, where lots of things happens everywhere and you have to shoot very fast, I use only the center point and apply the focus exactly there where I want it. I find it much more accurate that way. I use a lot of pre-focusing in many situations and after 50 years of experience, you learn to anticipate and to wait with your camera already precisely focused there where you need it. Of course I can't be 100% precise here but I'm generally not very far from that, which I think is not too bad. Again, don't jump on the canon carriage, I'd do more or less the same with any dSLR. I specify dSLR here because a camera such as the R1 for example, is not suitable for such a job - and that's not bashing, that's a technical fact if you can understand the difference.

Moti said:

It seems to me your only presence here is to bash sony and its product. You are not more than a sophisticated troll.

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read above...

Moti

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Koray said:

Here is another great idea, then: what if they can keep the central shutter in the R1 lens when they convert to E mount? This way the camera can achieve very high flash synchronisation and be as silent as R1! I don't know if the electronic connections in E mount has enough bandwith to control a secondary shutter, though.

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Great idea - this is my dream, too.
Hope, Sony reads this...
-karsten

I agree. I see the R1 as Sony's first attempt at doing a "NEX".

NEX brings with it a great sensor, interchangeable lenses and most importantly small size and weight.

The R1 has a stellar lens that the NEX system will only be able to match with a similar-sized lump of Zeiss glass. Such hugeness will not be popular, so I think maybe won't bother to try. You can already mount the Alpha SLR (almost) equivalent of the R1 lens onto the NEX.

I think the best compromise would be for Sony to release a few high quality primes, so that the camera can be used as a carry anywhere camera with the kit lens, or as a 'proper' camera when the need arises.

One annoying thing about the NEX that is shared with the R1 seems to be it's unwillingness to co-operate with off-camera flash. I guess they wish to somehow protect their DSLR range.

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