the guys here at tdpreveiw seems to think that this camera is good used in auto mode but not good or poor controllable in all the other mode.
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Nex does have PSAM mode (full manual) and there is a wheel in the back that can be used in A mode to change the aperture/shutter in manual mode.
There is also infrared remote control port on top
As for external flash, I am not yet sure if Sony's larger flashes can be used in wireless mode. Maybe DPR has answer to that.
Kodakrevisited
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i read the preview and there seem u have to go to the menu also for changing iso.
and a lot of other parameter.
anyway will wait and see.
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and a lot of other parameter.
anyway will wait and see.
--Nex does have PSAM mode (full manual) and there is a wheel in the back that can be used in A mode to change the aperture/shutter in manual mode.
There is also infrared remote control port on top
As for external flash, I am not yet sure if Sony's larger flashes can be used in wireless mode. Maybe DPR has answer to that.
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Yes, you do have to go to menu to change ISO and white balance but that was not what you were claiming. You were claiming that there is no wheel and all modes are auto. There is a WHEEL in the back and the camera does have PSAM modes. You don't have to go to menu to change say aperture in A mode. You can turn the wheel (at least that's what I understood from dpr staff here). That's same as the other entry-level DSLRs with one scroll wheel.
I don't care about white balance. It's on auto 99% of the time. The only problem probably is ISO that people change more often (unless they like to leave it on auto too).
Also, there is infrared remote control port on top (according to IR review).
And we don't yet have an answer whether Sony's larger flashes can be used in wireless mode.
Well you're absolutely right! But wait, this camera is not for those kind of photographers. It is for P&S people who want to get better IQ and that works just fine! It is a cool looking camera, with great functions for them (not the more advanced users.
So there is control! By menu, but there is control! Not as easy as on other cameras, but do those cameras has sweep panorama, Auto HDR, face and smile detection, anti blur mode (by taking 3 pictures), Beter low light by taking 3 pictures?
There is control
Is it that bad? OK it is 3 presses more then my A700 but hey this is a small camera aimed at an other market.
DP review is one tester. There are other sites that telss you different (but you have to read them)
What is so bad about this tripod socket? does your tripod fits? Yes then it is good. Maybe there is a little realestate to connect it in the way a big DSLR does, but hey it is a small camera
Sie and weight are important for many, so this may not be importan t for you but it is for others just some specs:
weight:
Olympus PEN PL1:334 gr (without battery)
Samsung NX 10: 353 gr (without battery)
Sony Nex 5: 287 gram (with battery)
So the Sony is 15% lighter then the Olympus, and then that includes the battery for Sony, so in real life Sony is even lighter!
dimensions
Olympus: 115mm (W) x 72mm (H) x 42mm (D) (excluding protrusions)
Samsung: 123×87×39.8mm (excluding the projecting parts of the camera)
Sony: 111x 59 x 38mm
This is a lot smaller.
All the crontol you want is possible, not as easy as in bigger cameras, but you can control Exposure, Apperture,Iso, W etc. So stop shouting you have no control, you have!
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not clearly considering that there were 4 classic mode i didnt said that u have auto control in all mode...cause that would have menat only one mode..simply u dont have full control with whell and button, everything seems in the menu.
the same think the guys here at dpreview.
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the same think the guys here at dpreview.
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are u tellin me that 70 grams are something to be considered such a difference in use?
ahhh oh my god.. the camera with 18-200 will be ridicolous and unbalanced. looks unbalanced also with the kit lens. and all for 70 grams!!!! what a save!!!
u give up to all button and ergonomics hot shoe and a more balanced grip for 70 grams!!!
next time try to think the camera with the 18-200 against the new oly epl1 with the new ultralight silence fosuc 14-140 and then you ll see that u are not saving nothing.
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ahhh oh my god.. the camera with 18-200 will be ridicolous and unbalanced. looks unbalanced also with the kit lens. and all for 70 grams!!!! what a save!!!
u give up to all button and ergonomics hot shoe and a more balanced grip for 70 grams!!!
next time try to think the camera with the 18-200 against the new oly epl1 with the new ultralight silence fosuc 14-140 and then you ll see that u are not saving nothing.
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u prove what im trying to saying...to justify such a poor design and the lost of a lot of direct control and better ergonomics...u are telling to say that the camera is so little than other, an d that's simply untrue. with the kit lens the camera is bigger and probably weight more than the ep1, and if you compare
ep1 and 14-140
nex with 18-200
will understand that this camera is tinier just with the pancake
a lot smaller?
from imagin resource:
Smallest among the new line's competition, the Sony NEX-5 is also light. Its magnesium-alloy body weighs just 10.2 ounces (0.63 pound, 288g) with battery and card, and adding the lens raises the weight to 17.7 ounces (1.1 pounds, 502g). By comparison, the Panasonic G2 weighs 21.8 ounces (1.36 pounds, 618g); the Olympus E-P2 weighs 19 ounces (1.2 pounds, 539g); and the Samsung NX10 weighs 21.5 ounces (1.3 pounds, 610g) each with kit lens, battery, and card.
so with kit lens the sony is lighter 37 grams!! oh my god what a DIFFERENCE...37 grams...probably with the 18-200 will weight 2 3 hundred grams more
Well you made your point now. This is not the camera for you. That is normal, there will be people liking this camera and there will be people not liking this camera. That is normal.
But you started with telling that you could not control this camera, thart is not true, you can control thisd camera as good as any DSLR, only not as simple.
You tell the size is marginal smaller but it is a lot smaller.
You tell the lenses are very big, but they are not that much bigger then the lenses of the other brands.
So pleas stick to the facts...
But you started with telling that you could not control this camera, thart is not true, you can control thisd camera as good as any DSLR, only not as simple.
You tell the size is marginal smaller but it is a lot smaller.
You tell the lenses are very big, but they are not that much bigger then the lenses of the other brands.
So pleas stick to the facts...
i think you said said there is no wheel. there is wheel in the back. Yes, there are less specialized buttons (say for white balance & iso) but these are in menu.
Apparently there is no AEL lock but A2xx and 3XX are missing that too.
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Being someone who's been involved in photography probably longer than anybody at DPR (about 50 years) I do not consider their opinions to be the last word nor should anybody else. They are human and have their own likes and dislikes. The only person who matters when it comes to handling, controls and ergonomics is you and me. I have never liked the Canon entry level DSLR's because I disliked their handling. However they are top sellers so obviously my opinion is in the minority. I would never tell anybody to not buy a camera because I personally did not like it unless it was just some piece of junk with little redeeming value.
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Hmmm. I think there's plenty of very useful information available that should factor significantly into the buying decision. If none of it is significant enough; if it's still a toss up, then I agree you have to wait to see how the NEX handles in real life. The UI sounds lousy to me, but I wouldn't write it off yet without trying it. I know for a fact the 16mm doesn't suit me at all. But I'd even be open to seeing it with the kit zoom because in demo videos, the camera/zoom combo seems very small & portable.
Still, there's plenty of factual information out there on which a lot of people could make a judgement call without needing to try the camera in person.
I think it's a great camera. I also think the NEX system has plenty of intriguing features. Pros & cons to either.
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bpalme
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Pocket with 16mm. I realize that. Also your comparison photos have the big lens on the NEX and small lens on the GF1.. Not quite apples to apples.
I can fit the GF1 in a cargo pocket also but I don't think there is any denying that the NEX is smaller and lighter.
I can fit the GF1 in a cargo pocket also but I don't think there is any denying that the NEX is smaller and lighter.
yes but if the camera has three button and wb and iso and other stuff must be found on a multilayer menu, im sorry bit for me that already means a camera is not flexible or made for fast changing situation. olympus have all controls. the ep1 that's not so bigger than epl1 and sony has two wheels and at least 8 button to work with. All the button made the use of the camera the same as with my pentax k7 or a nikon d700.
For me ergonomics means also these , the possibilities to have everything fast changing.
in addition i think most people that buy microthird run a double system and they use adapter. i use a novoflex adapter with my pentax pancake. the use of manual lenses is a joy and can be made only with fast control and some button to use for magnification. if you consider that also the ep1 can improve the manual experience with all the button it has, u can understand the pain to use the nex with old lenses.
consider the sensor, the crop, i would be very happy to buy a sony with an adapter for my pentax pancake especially th 15, but this camera is too simple for my taste and the lack of an hot shoe is unforgivable in my opinion.
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For me ergonomics means also these , the possibilities to have everything fast changing.
in addition i think most people that buy microthird run a double system and they use adapter. i use a novoflex adapter with my pentax pancake. the use of manual lenses is a joy and can be made only with fast control and some button to use for magnification. if you consider that also the ep1 can improve the manual experience with all the button it has, u can understand the pain to use the nex with old lenses.
consider the sensor, the crop, i would be very happy to buy a sony with an adapter for my pentax pancake especially th 15, but this camera is too simple for my taste and the lack of an hot shoe is unforgivable in my opinion.
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then don't buy this camera. buy gf1 or ep2. or wait for newer models. those who prefer smaller & simpler cameras, with less buttons, don't care if they have to use menu to change white balance & iso, would prefer this camera.
bpalme
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Which kit lens?
I like hearing all the opinions but it seem that you are trying to twist the bias away from next with unfair comparisons. It clearly smaller with pancake than anything out there in this class.
Furthermore your critiquing this camera like it cost more than a GF1 and as if it is meant for the serious amateur.
Just remember it's aimed at the P&S crowd like myself. I like the screen with newbie advice. Clean lines. It looks cool. Panorama, HD video, lightweight.
I like hearing all the opinions but it seem that you are trying to twist the bias away from next with unfair comparisons. It clearly smaller with pancake than anything out there in this class.
Furthermore your critiquing this camera like it cost more than a GF1 and as if it is meant for the serious amateur.
Just remember it's aimed at the P&S crowd like myself. I like the screen with newbie advice. Clean lines. It looks cool. Panorama, HD video, lightweight.
tbcass
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The NEX5 doesn't have a typical menu system. From what I've seen it has a touch screen that brings up a virtual scroll wheel like a DSLR has. You turn the wheel on the touch screen and push the button the on the wheel that corresponds to the function you are looking for. It's not unlike pushing a button on a DSLR which brings up a menu. How well this works I don't know but it looks better than any previous menu system I've seen before. That's why I take a wait and see attitude rather than judging prematurely.
That's my biggest problem with the EP-1. It's a micro 4/3. I simply do not like the 4/3 system because of the 4/3 ratio and the generally poorer high iso performance compared to APS-C. If I was like you I would roam the 4/3 forums blasting the system for those reasons but I am not that rude.
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