NEX...a worthy replacement for the R1 ?

Well no need to get carried away,
I don't think I got carried away at all, your explanation that the comparison is valid because both cameras have (almost) the same sized sensor is imo a lot like saying an M8 vs a Canon Rebel is a fair comparison. The R1 is a totally different type of camera to the NEX, I honestly don't see how the NEX could substitute for an R1. There are other LV-based models out there that come much closer to it.

The NEX is interesting in that it's very compact but it's only so compact due to not having a VF nor much in the way of knobs and buttons... it's all mostly in the menus. I don't see this as very clever engineering. I'd rather have a bit of extra bulk if it means that the camera will stay out of my way and give me quick access to whatever adjustments I want to make. The NEX is also a write-off for me just for the shutter alone: apparently it's not any quieter than a typical SLR.
I owned an R1 and it was OK, but it was huge, slow and heavy, and I never much cared for the JPEGs.
This always baffled me a bit every time you wrote it. You mostly shoot land and coastlines, which I think doesn't require much in the way of speed or for gear to be super-lightweight, while I've done plenty of R1 street shooting with lots of movement and need for good timing, without hardly any trouble. Persistence pays off, perhaps?
I think it was good, but I didnt keep it for long and I certainly would not buy another. So as far as I can see, for many, the NEX could easily be a more practical alternative, particularly if the lenses are good enough
I see it as a practical alternative/addition for Alpha users because A-mount lenses are to an extent compatible. R1 users are not tied to any lens mount and are free to research the alternatives, which, as stated above, better options exist which come much closer to the R1.
I use a kit 18-55 lens all the time and the kit lens is really good.....certainly good enough for me, and that could be used on the NEX
Voila. I don't have an 18-55 or any other A-mount lens, so it's all meaningless to me. I'm very curious to build a system that allows me to experiment with a bunch of old lenses (such as m43) but if I'm going to jump into any one LV-based system, I think I'd invest in and use mostly lenses that are specifically made for it, not something I'd need an adapter for and be forced to putz around with the limitations that poses.

As I mentioned, I think the NEX is interesting, but not because it's revolutionary, mostly because it looks like Sony's thinking of innovating a little again. Maybe in a few model generations, I'd bite (but I doubt it).

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Vaughan, I found the 828 to have very good IQ. It was a bit prone to PF at times but that was easily fixed in PP.
Yes the 828 was pretty good really, the PF was a bit of an issue for me though, but overall, it was a pretty outstanding design and I did some good work with the 828, I particularly liked the holo focus and swivel body, and that amazing build
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and what I say is propoganda, right?
I'll try to remember.

Bigger sensor usually means better IQ.
Smaller camera usually handier.
Larger and much more detailed LCD...more useful.
LCD swivels so that you can do waist level shooting...highly desirable.
Nothing really to argue about here, Martin.

I don't care that it doesn't have a lot of buttons.
I usually don't change my settings that often
from shot to shot,
and I don't mind using a menu if I have to.

Enjoy your R1 and four thirds if you decide to go that way.
NEX looks like fun, and seems to have a lot of potential to me.

By the way, you know that DP reviewers can be trolls here.
They didn't get the R1. They didn't get the top mounted LCD
which was the greatest thing about the R1.
They are influenced a lot by their association with
Canon and Nikon professionals, don't you think?

People who come here to knock the NEX system
and the NEX lenses before they've even been released
seem like trolls to me.

I'm interested in the NEX5 with the pancake lens
because it's a small package,
and I trust that the quality will be good.
I'm in no hurry.
I'll use the camera and have a good look at the results
before I buy it.
I might wait for NEX9 with a big sensor.
APS-C sensors are a bit small for serious work
especially if you are cropping from a wide angle lens.
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interesting take - but wondering who you are labelling as trolls?
some will label people as trolls for having a different opinion, at this stage nobody is able to give any judgement as Sony himself has said they need to fix some issues.

what the final outcome will be ..... only the future can answer that question.

if the concept will do something in the market time will tell.
Anyways, there is no denying the advantages of a modern LCD and true SLR-style interchangeable lenses.

But let's wait and see if the NEX lenses cut the mustard.
As the DP review says, "It's a miracle of engineering." The sensor is bigger than its competitors, but the camera is smaller. Sony is an experienced and high quality electronics company, not just a camera company. They can go beyond their competitors when they make a device like this.
beyond what if compared to competition ... more gadgets ... less direct controls ?
The lenses are faster than the R1 lens, and that's fun. I'm not convinced that the lenses will be as bad as the trolls are saying. When the R1 first came out lots of people from other fora came over here to niggle at it. But it was a decent camera.
The NEX cameras have more potential, I think.
For example, any lens at all can be adapted to work on them.
fully functional ?
I like the smallness of them, because I hate carrying a camera bag. They fit in a pocket, but produce images like the big boys.
then you can put your A900 forsale.
The LCD is much bigger and high definition than the R1 LCD, and it can be adjusted too. My R1's LCD isn't working so well any more.

It's time to move on, I think. The R1 is only my second camera now, and if I can get a decent job someday, I think I would like to have a NEX in my pocket instead.
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and what I say is propoganda, right?
I'll try to remember.

Bigger sensor usually means better IQ.
Smaller camera usually handier.
Larger and much more detailed LCD...more useful.
LCD swivels so that you can do waist level shooting...highly desirable.
Nothing really to argue about here, Martin.

I don't care that it doesn't have a lot of buttons.
others do and thats why they make remarks.
I usually don't change my settings that often
from shot to shot,
others do and thats why they make remarks.
and I don't mind using a menu if I have to.
others do and thats why they make remarks.
Enjoy your R1 and four thirds if you decide to go that way.
NEX looks like fun, and seems to have a lot of potential to me.

By the way, you know that DP reviewers can be trolls here.
They didn't get the R1. They didn't get the top mounted LCD
which was the greatest thing about the R1.
They are influenced a lot by their association with
Canon and Nikon professionals, don't you think?

People who come here to knock the NEX system
and the NEX lenses before they've even been released
seem like trolls to me.
you keep liking to paint people as trolls when they have a different opinion, some people dont look through pink glasses.....they are able to see the Pro and Cons and make remarks that you dont seem to like ......result you label them as basher trolls anti Sony ect.

btw you already can find several real world Photo's on flickr.
I'm interested in the NEX5 with the pancake lens
because it's a small package,
and I trust that the quality will be good.
I'm in no hurry.
I'll use the camera and have a good look at the results
before I buy it.
I might wait for NEX9 with a big sensor.
APS-C sensors are a bit small for serious work
many Pro's have made good money with APS-C and still do

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I'm of those who think that the NEX7(coming this September)will be the one to fill the dream of those who have waited for so long for a R2.Sure,it will be different than the R1 but mostly for the best...interchangeable lenses,video,faster auto-focus,less noisy at high ISO,bigger LCD,better EVF,better burst mode,smaller RAW files,bigger buffer.
 
and what I say is propoganda, right?
I'll try to remember.
In your initial reply you brought up things like the swivel LCD (but neglected to say that it doesn't swivel half as effectively as the R1), faster lenses (but refused to acknowledge that according to many sample images, those lenses so far seem pretty mediocre), how the R1 initially got ridiculed (while on the topic of optics, but when in fact it got criticized for its shape, not its lens).

Propaganda.

All those (ahem) feats of engineering are already found on numerous other cameras, why do you never give credit to the manufacturer(s) who already have a similar (and arguably better) system on the market for a couple of years now?... what is it about the NEX swivel LCD that somehow is suddenly superior to all other swivel LCDs which work just about the same way? What's so special about the NEX lenses?.... I don't see anything to them and actually the samples here at DPR also suggest that the jpeg engine is as crappy as ever.
Bigger sensor usually means better IQ.
Sure, if you compare a tiny sensor to a very large one. Comparing 2x, 1.7x, or 1.5x crop sensors however is kind of stupid... any of them will give similar results, the differences are almost never worth even debating unless you're simply interested in compensating for other little things you're unfortunately stuck with ;)
Smaller camera usually handier.
I want a small system camera but fail to see how they're universally handier. The NEX may actually turn out to be a bit too small even, kinda looks weird with the average sized lenses that have been built for them and suddenly you find that the pocket rocket needs to be in a bag as usual.
Larger and much more detailed LCD...more useful.
BFD. The real deal breaker is in how versatile the swivel mechanism is. Gimme the 2" R1 swivel any day over a 3" whatever that only moves up/down... as long as I can frame my scene, what do I care?
LCD swivels so that you can do waist level shooting...highly desirable.
WL shooting which increases the overall depth of the body because it has to stick out from the back, and which also won't let you do WL portrait orientation.... not desirable.
Nothing really to argue about here, Martin.
Go back to the top of this post and read again then ;)
I don't care that it doesn't have a lot of buttons.
I do. Maybe if I shot landscapes and flowers I'd have all the time to putz around in the menu, but for what I and many others may shoot it's a total no-go.
Enjoy your R1 and four thirds if you decide to go that way.
NEX looks like fun, and seems to have a lot of potential to me.
If I can't figure out a long-term way to simply go back to the superiority of FILM, I'm definitely in m4/3, with the NEX now I'm moreso convinced that m4/3 is the only decent LV platform with innovative engineering behind it. I do think the NEX may be a fun cam... for FUN. If I want to spend a day or so looking for serious photos, I'd want something more flexible than this blown-up W-series with a hole drilled out of it for mediocre lenses.
By the way, you know that DP reviewers can be trolls here.
They didn't get the R1. They didn't get the top mounted LCD
which was the greatest thing about the R1.
Correct. That was an opinion though. Sample images kinda speak for themselves however...
They are influenced a lot by their association with
Canon and Nikon professionals, don't you think?
No, I don't think so. That was a dumb statement you made there, John.
People who come here to knock the NEX system
and the NEX lenses before they've even been released
seem like trolls to me.
So why are you on the other hand already praising it then as the greatest thing since ribbed Trojans?
I'm interested in the NEX5 with the pancake lens
because it's a small package,
and I trust that the quality will be good.
You trust Sony too much, but hey, Sony might actually come through for you this time ;)
I'll use the camera and have a good look at the results
before I buy it.
Sounds like an AAK statement... we already know you'll be gushing over it, John, even if, like with the H9s, the NEX turns out to be a jpeg smear job and the pancake has no jam.
I might wait for NEX9 with a big sensor.
I thought you liked the idea of these snappers being as compact as possible....?
APS-C sensors are a bit small for serious work
especially if you are cropping from a wide angle lens.
Good luck with that notion. Get back to me when you wake up and realize that unless you're snapping for some cheesy commercial billboards, you really can't see much of a difference between FF and APS output.... or (gasp) even 4/3.

I hope you'll like the NEX, but not just because it says FONY SONY on it ;)
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you will be called negative or you will recieve a label called troll :-)

good to see you around my friend.

Martin we should not forget there is only one brand ( ony ), because all others do it wrong because they update firmware and are listening to there customers feedback, there are some statements of John in a few recent threads.

guess i need to sell all my gear and go a different road according to that....Canon/Nikon must be very bad according to his logic ( same counts for Pana Oly ect).

we must be stupid that we can not see that. :-(

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and what I say is propoganda, right?
I'll try to remember.
In your initial reply you brought up things like the swivel LCD (but neglected to say that it doesn't swivel half as effectively as the R1),-
It's true that the R1 LCD swivels in many directions, but the small format of the NEX plus the swivel lens makes it possible to hold the camera in many ways to shoot, and it's a much better LCD which matters.
faster lenses (but refused to acknowledge that according to many sample images, those lenses so far seem pretty mediocre),
The R1's lens is its strength but also its weakness. It's slow. It doesn't allow you to shoot easily in low light. Interchangeable lenses give you options. Those options at this point seem unlimited. Why concentrate on pre-production pancake shots, unless you are trolling?
the R1 initially got ridiculed (while on the topic of optics, but when in fact it got criticized for its shape, not its lens).
I remember posting a photo of a swan with my R1 and the trolls came over to point out that the background blur in my shot was horrible. When a new camera comes out, people who have already made up their mind about choosing some other camera, come to make comments that reinforce their point of view. That's called trolling, and trolls will criticize anything including an amazing CZ lens.
Propaganda.

All those (ahem) feats of engineering are already found on numerous other cameras, why do you never give credit to the manufacturer(s) who already have a similar (and arguably better) system on the market for a couple of years now?...
I was just quoting the D preview. It said that the Sony is a miracle of engineering because it puts a bigger sensor into a smaller camera. I never give credit to Olympus or Panasonic because they made a poor decision to go with a smaller sensor, and I lost interest at that point.
what is it about the NEX swivel LCD that somehow is suddenly superior to all other swivel LCDs which work just about the same way?
It's a better LCD. That matters. The LCD's quality, swivel and the small size of the camera, working together, make it an interesting alternative to the R1's LCD
What's so special about the NEX lenses?
Did you read David Kilpatrick about how any lens can be adapted to the NEX, That's pretty special. I've got used to walking about with a prime, so the pancake will be enough for me. It's small and it will be good. Why? Because it's Sony.
.... I don't see anything to them and actually the samples here at DPR also suggest that the jpeg engine is as crappy as ever.
Some people suggest that the R1 jpg engine is crappy. I can get better quality from a RAW file, but usually my friends don't care about the difference. For both those reasons, there's no need to worry about the jpeg engine.
Bigger sensor usually means better IQ.
Sure, if you compare a tiny sensor to a very large one. Comparing 2x, 1.7x, or 1.5x crop sensors however is kind of stupid... any of them will give similar results, the differences are almost never worth even debating unless you're simply interested in compensating for other little things you're unfortunately stuck with ;)
No, Martin. Image quality correlates to sensor size. I don't care about the jpeg engine, because I can use a RAW file if I want, but there's no way to get around the poorer quality of a small ass sensor.
Smaller camera usually handier.
I want a small system camera but fail to see how they're universally handier. The NEX may actually turn out to be a bit too small even, kinda looks weird with the average sized lenses that have been built for them and suddenly you find that the pocket rocket needs to be in a bag as usual.
Well, the small size gives me the option of putting it in my pocket. Those small sensor cams from the opposition, need big pockets. I'm not into changing my wardrobe to suit my camera.
I don't care that it doesn't have a lot of buttons.
I do. Maybe if I shot landscapes and flowers I'd have all the time to putz around in the menu, but for what I and many others may shoot it's a total no-go.
My a900 has more than its fair share of buttons, but I don't find using them particularly intuitive or easy. For example, if you want to change the ISO you have to push the ISO button, then the LCD fills up with options, then you have to dial, with another finger the number you want. I have to move the camera about to find the button, and then look at the menu, and then find the dial, and then press the option. I imagine that Sony Erickson have made it just as easy to change the ISO on the NEX. I just have to look at the screen and poke it a few times. Easier I imagine.

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Take a look at this video from Hungary posted on Vimeo from an NEX with the 18-55mm lens. Even with that short FL, the foreground and background are out-of-focus, with only a narrow zone in between looking sharp. Larger sensors don't work very well for video, except for isolated subjects and carefully-planned scenes.
The built-in mikes pick up bad wind noise and a fur windscreen would be needed.
http://www.vimeo.com/11668007
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Everyone can see how you behave on this forum. There is no way for you to hide your intentions or to paint an innocent face on your behaviour.
you will be called negative or you will recieve a label called troll :-)
It's clear to you too, Marti? Thanks for confirming that.
good to see you around my friend.
I've never seen you be friendly with Martin before. Perhaps you like to think of him as your friend because he's arguing with me. Actually, both of you are my friends and I value your opinions.
Martin we should not forget there is only one brand ( ony ), because all others do it wrong because they update firmware and are listening to there customers feedback,
Marti, you're a good photographer, but sometimes I think that you have difficulty in following an argument. My point was that Sony, putting out firmware that wasn't final, so that people can get an idea of what the camera will look like, isn't different from Nikon and Canon putting out software that isn't ready, then having to upgrade it several times to get it right.

There's no indication that Canon and Nikon listen to feedback from their customers or their reviewers. Take for example the battery door on successive generations of EOS computers. Open it and the camera shuts down losing any photo in process. This is a terrible fault in engineering that's easy to fix. Did they fix it. Not for five years, even though it was pointed out in every review and in countless complaints by customers.
there are some statements of John in a few recent threads.
Think about what I'm saying in my recent threads, Marti. I've learned a lot from you by thinking about what you write.
guess i need to sell all my gear and go a different road according to that....Canon/Nikon must be very bad according to his logic ( same counts for Pana Oly ect).
Marti, I only have Sony cameras because they have always been the best option available when I was looking to buy. I first came to DPR looking for some more information about the Oly4040 which some friends told me was a good camera. Oly had a reputation for making small cameras and I like small things. I was pretty well sold on the 4040, but when I came here to do research, it soon became obvious that the Sony F707 was a much better camera. I bought the 707 based on my reading here, and I hung around and learned how to use it from the great photographers on this forum.

When the R1 came along, it was head and shoulders above any other camera available at that time, and I went for it.
Now I have an a900, which is also peerless.

I need a pocket camera, and if I can get a job, and become solvent again, I'm intending to take a good look at the NEX, because it looks wonderful to me.

Neither Canon, Nikon, Panasonic nor Oly are very bad according to my logic, but why bother with second best? You have your own opinions about which cameras are good, and you could share your enthusiasm with your fellow users on those forums, which would be a better use for your considerable knowledge and energy than your knee-jerk responses to new Sony products. I appreciate that you have been more responsible in your behaviour lately, and haven't hurt the feelings of new users. I actually agree with a lot of your comments, but sometimes disagree with where and how you state them.
Please forgive me if I've hurt your feelings here or in the past.
we must be stupid that we can not see that. :-(
I don't think that you are stupid, but it's obvious that you and Martin are prejudiced. Martin prefers Nikon DSLRs to Alpha, and he prefers 4/3 cameras. There's nothing wrong with that, it's your money and you have the right to spend it. Coming here, though to try to make a case against Sony, is just pathetic.
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about no indication:
There's no indication that Canon and Nikon listen to feedback from their > customers or their reviewers.
you simply have to believe me that for Example NPS member ship ( Nikon Professional Service ) is listening and supporting you to the highest level possible.

as a longtime Nikon user i can assure that they are listening to customers.

i'm not going to argue any further as i know you getting very sensitive when it comes to Sony.

in your respons you wrote the 16mm will be good .... why because its Sony.

this bothers me as you actualy often state that brands are not good ( Canon/Nikon )because their name is on it ......... believe same counts for Sony.

so i find your statement its good because it has a Sony label..... contradicting.

you said a couple of things about the handling of your A900 ( control wise ) that you experience as unpractical/ not easy ......why do you state/complain... it has the Sony label as well ...its even there flagship.

sorry i sometimes don understand you.

try to forget a few words bashing/negative/attacker ect...try to replace them with a different point of view....... because thats all there is in my comments.

at the start of your reply towards me you already start to twist things.

by more or less suggesting that Martin and I are two hands on one tummy.

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I think the problem is not the quality of the pre-production 16 mm pancake.The problem is/was Sony send them out telling the review's site they were production model and then,after getting bad reviews,they back-pedaled and to save the face,tells now they were pre-production...looks very bad to me...but in the end it will be good for the customers...if they still buy.Some will take it as Sony deliberately trying to sells something so-so hoping it will pass.
 
Everyone can see how you behave on this forum. There is no way for you to

Marti, you're a good photographer, but sometimes I think that you have difficulty in following an argument. My point was that Sony, putting out firmware that wasn't final, so that people can get an idea of what the camera will look like, isn't different from Nikon and Canon putting out software that isn't ready, then having to upgrade it several times to get it right.
That is quite normal. Cameras are software based machines and as every software, bugs are discovered with the time and should be corrected by patches or upgrades. Every company does it or at least, is supposed to do it.
There's no indication that Canon and Nikon listen to feedback from their customers or their reviewers.
There is. Unlike Sony, Canon and Nikon are listening very carefully to what photographers have to say or to suggest and do their best to react accordingly. That is one of the reason why pros usually prefer to work with Canon or Nikon and not with Sony.
Take for example the battery door on successive generations of EOS computers. Open it and the camera shuts down losing any photo in process. This is a terrible fault in engineering that's easy to fix. Did they fix it. Not for five years, even though it was pointed out in every review and in countless complaints by customers.
Excuse me but this example is so very much completely ridiculous. It is a known camera behavior and not a "terrible fault in engineering" as you tend to dramatize. If you are a photographer and you know your camera, then you make sure not to open the door while the camera is writing in order not to loose a photo, exactly as you should make sure to remove the lens cap before shooting in order not to loose a photo. As simple as that. Every photographer can easily live with it and maybe that is why Canon didn't bother to change it. Those who complain about such an issue, sorry, they aren't photographers in my eyes.
Marti, I only have Sony cameras because they have always been the best option available when I was looking to buy.
I though you also had a Fuji didn't you? Or maybe you don't consider Fuji as a camera...
I first came to DPR looking for some more information about the Oly4040 which some friends told me was a good camera. Oly had a reputation for making small cameras and I like small things. I was pretty well sold on the 4040, but when I came here to do research, it soon became obvious that the Sony F707 was a much better camera. I bought the 707 based on my reading here, and I hung around and learned how to use it from the great photographers on this forum.

When the R1 came along, it was head and shoulders above any other camera available at that time, and I went for it.
Now I have an a900, which is also peerless.
And I still think it was a big mistake to invest in it. After all, what use has a peerless camera if one hides it at home most of the time afraid it would get stolen on the streets.
I need a pocket camera, and if I can get a job, and become solvent again, I'm intending to take a good look at the NEX, because it looks wonderful to me.
Now seriously, I agree that the NEX cameras do look very interesting. Would be more interesting for me if they'd had an EVF and a standard hot shoe but who knows, maybe in the future. In any case, I do hope for you that you'd find a job very soon but honestly and this is a friendly advise, I think you should sell the a900 and get yourself one of those NEX. You'll enjoy it much more, you'll probably improve your results because they are easier to handle and you'll have a nice amount of money left from the transaction.
Neither Canon, Nikon, Panasonic nor Oly are very bad according to my logic, but why bother with second best?
Tell all the pros who use Canon or Nikon that their gear is second best compared to Sony... Maybe they'll get unlighted and run to buy one.

Cheers
Moti
 
It has no effect on the operation of the camera. Neither does opening the battery door affect any Sony camera. Now read very carefully, Moti, what you wrote.

I wrote:

Take for example the battery door on successive generations of EOS computers. Open it and the camera shuts down losing any photo in process. This is a terrible fault in engineering that's easy to fix. Did they fix it. Not for five years, even though it was pointed out in every review and in countless complaints by customers.
Excuse me but this example is so very much completely ridiculous. It is a known camera behavior
Only in Canon Cameras, Moti. It's clear, here, that your definition of what a camera is, has Canon in it.
and not a "terrible fault in engineering" as you tend to dramatize.
It is an embarrassing admission on Canon's part, that they haven't got a clue how to construct an electronic device.
If you are a photographer and you know your camera, then you make sure not to open the door while the camera is writing in order not to loose a photo,
If you use a Canon camera of course you have to learn this, because of the stupid engineering faults of your camera. Other photographers never have to worry about this.
exactly as you should make sure to remove the lens cap before shooting in order not to loose a photo. As simple as that.
Moti, if you leave your lens cap on, you can't take a photo. But if you take your lens cap off, and you are using a Canon camera, there's a good chance that some design flaw will cause you to lose your shot.
Every photographer can easily live with it
Living with it...is an admission on your part that it is a flaw. We don't live with features of a camera, we have to learn to live with flaws.
and maybe that is why Canon didn't bother to change it.
Maybe, but it's much more likely that Canon is an arrogant leader in DSLR sales who think that they can give their customers any crap at all, and force them to live with stupid electronic booby traps in their cameras, because they really don't care about what reviewers and users tell them, year after year.
Those who complain about such an issue, sorry, they aren't photographers in my eyes.
I know that I'm not a photographer in your eyes, Moti. In your eyes, a photographer has to use a Canon camera. I'm not complaining about this issue, however. This has never been an issue for me on any of my Sony cameras, or on the Fuji camera that was given to me. Canon users complained about this, but Canon never listened. I can see that you agree with Canon.
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John, you are making a storm in a cup of tea. My gear is Canon based and the door issue never bothered me. Why? because I never open the card door unless it is necessary and so does every photographer. At the same rate I never opened a file camera back because of the same reason.

On the other hand, if this is the only argument you could dig out about Canon cameras than they are really not so bad as you think.

When one's sole purpose is to bash a camera or behave like a troll as you like to dscribe it sometimes, then every argument can make part of the game and become a "major engineering catastrophe" for every feature, in every camera including your beloved A900, with lousy low light performance and extreme difficulties to set the ISO value as you have complained about, which btw, with a Canon or Nikon dSLR is a piece of cake.

See how silly that sounds? exactly like your door issue. So lets try and stay practical because trolling won't get us anywhere.

I repeat again, unlike what you said, Nikon and canon do listen very carefully to what photographers has to say, much more than Sony and this is a fact, weather you like it or not and taht is probably one of the reasons wby pros prefer to work with them and not with Sony.
It has no effect on the operation of the camera. Neither does opening the battery door affect any Sony camera.
Good for you, completely unimportant for me.
Only in Canon Cameras, Moti. It's clear, here, that your definition of what a camera is, has Canon in it.
again for trolling I find this argument good enough.
It is an embarrassing admission on Canon's part, that they haven't got a clue how to construct an electronic device.
And yet, most pros in the world prefer them over Sony... is this because they haven't got a clue how to construct an electronic device?
Moti, if you leave your lens cap on, you can't take a photo.
Yes you can. If you would have come from film age and had the experience of shooting with an RF camera such as Leica for example, you'd know that this was one of the common mistakes every photographer could do, because there was no indication to warn you about it. So what, is it a "terrible fault in engineering" probably yes if you are a troll.
But if you take your lens cap off, and you are using a Canon camera, there's a good chance that some design flaw will cause you to lose your shot.
Funny, I am using a Canon camera and never lost a photo because of that door. I lost however many photos with my R1 because of it's extremely slow reaction...
Living with it... is an admission on your part that it is a flaw. We don't live with features of a camera, we have to learn to live with flaws.
No. For me, living with it means knowing your camera and using it in a good way. Every camera has its pros and cons and lots of compromises and like anything else in life, even marriage, one should knows how to appreciate the pros and to live with the cons.

For example, one of the cameras I liked the most is the F828 even though it had a "terrible fault in engineering" ie horrible PF as you know. I don't remember any other camera here that made such a great food for trolls as this one. I bought the 828 in spite of the bad opinions and once I found the solution and learned how to get around the issue, it worked fantastically and I enjoyed it very much. Of course, I could join the rant club as you did but that's not my style.
Maybe, but it's much more likely that Canon is an arrogant leader in DSLR sales who think that they can give their customers any crap at all, and force them to live with stupid electronic booby traps in their cameras, because they really don't care about what reviewers and users tell them, year after year.
John, no one forces you to buy cr@p. it is your own choice and responsibility. If you do it, you are the only one to blame, not those that produce it.
I know that I'm not a photographer in your eyes, Moti.
As much as you like to ride on that horse John, that was a general remark and was not particular meant for you or your photography skills.
In your eyes, a photographer has to use a Canon camera.
No, in my eyes, a photographer is someone who knows very well his tools and learns how to live with flaws as opposed to a troll who prefers to complain about them instead and above all, a photographer would never blame his camera when something gets wrong.
I'm not complaining about this issue, however. This has never been an issue for me on any of my Sony cameras, or on the Fuji camera that was given to me. Canon users complained about this, but Canon never listened. I can see that you agree with Canon.
John, it has nothing to do with agreeing. I am trying to feed my family with my photography and I'm very happy with what I have even if it has a Canon label and it suffers from all kinds of terrible engineering problems. Complaining was never my national sport as it is for others here.

Cheers
Moti
 
"...NEX7(coming this September)..."

is that it's announcement or when on the shelves(isn't there 2 mos. between these events?)?
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