Sue Nikon

PSA · Oct 8, 2002

This is one of the most irresponsible, foolish and just plain stupid suggestions I've ever read on this forum. You can't be serious!

If this kind of thinking was prevalent, Nikon would never release another firmware upgrade. They don't have to do this...you bought the camera with what it had at the time. Go buy another brand so we don't have to listen to your dumb thinking in the future. Go for a long drive in your wife's Mercedes and don't come back here.

Gabriele Sartori said:
Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

--
Peter

CP5K with WC-E68 and TC-E2
D100 with 28-105 D, 50 1.8, 85 1.8 and many AIS Nikkors
FE2

Shel Parker114783 · Oct 8, 2002

I always wonder why people spit out information in the absence of facts. Your statement about the absence of small companies is absurd. As long as people will let big and small companies get away with ripping off the public, the public will be ripped off.
If we do not stand and fight we will be victims.

Big companies screw up and get sued so insurance premiums go up. Your answer is to let companies screw up so their premiums will be low. Wow....My answer would be to sue and to buy competitors products.
shp

Dave Harpe said:
Ever wonder why there are so few small competetors out there to
take on large companies?

IT'S BECAUSE THE BIG COMPANIES ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN AFFORD
THE PRODUCT LIABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS!

The premiums are horrendus because people like you are always
bringing stupid lawsuits like the one you propose. Cessna aircraft
had to stop making small aircraft for ten years because they were
getting killed on silly lawsuits - the widow of a pilot who crashes
flying under the influence of alcohol sues Cessna because the
1950's vintage aircraft he was flying in had a maintenance issue
that MAY have contributed to the crash. Cessna has to fight it,
and usually settles out of court. It killed them until the
liability laws changed to limit how far back a person can go to sue
a company.

As others have said...if you keep this up, they'll NEVER release
firmware updates. Because although you might be happy with a free
2.0 release, the scumbag lawyer you hire won't be. He'll bring a
suit everytime they post a new page on their web site.

Dave

--
SHP

Lunik · Oct 8, 2002

what is the mather with these people?

Anthony Medici · Oct 8, 2002

And I live here.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m

Schurki said:
You Americans, always want to file a lawsuit, for every little
fart, I cannot understand this.....

Walter

Joseph S Wisniewski · Oct 8, 2002

People outside the Detroit area probably won't get that one, but around here we don't use our Nikon rep's last name, we all call her "Nancy Nikon".

Ciao!

Joe

Berg Na · Oct 8, 2002

Why was Mercedes responsible for the actions of a dumb jerk who can't even change his oil? He trashed his engine then blamed Mercedes for his own inaptitude? Now you want to sue Nikon because they won't let you trash your camera? Dumb! Stupid ideas like these will only result in nailing the coffin on any future firmware upgrades.

Gabriele Sartori said:
Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

Moon · Oct 8, 2002

Jan Willem Mars said:
what the heck only japanese pensionholders will pay the
price. (which is a very limited view IMHO, it is these same
japanese and european - future- pensioners that are bringing in the
money for all this zillions of debt the americans are building
up....)

Wow! Talk about your blanket, nonsense statements! Sounds more like prejudice to me...

Moon · Oct 8, 2002

'America' is a BIG F'n country. There are 280,000,000 people here. That's 35 TIMES the population of Austria. We're not all the same!

Schurki said:
You Americans, always want to file a lawsuit, for every little
fart, I cannot understand this.....

Walter

DrMark · Oct 8, 2002

Too busy using my D100 to bother with...

herbet50979 · Oct 8, 2002

you don't have to upgrade the firmware to 2.0

it's about enhancements and I welcome them even if they want to do it every couple of months.

RoadRacer said:
Stefan Gosatti said:

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

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[snip]

Stefan Gosatti said:

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

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You have got to be joking, surely! You want to sue them because
they have released a firmware upgrade? I thought this would be
considered a positive and welcomed move, regardless of how it is
acheived.

RR

Peter LO · Oct 8, 2002

Now no one had filed any lawsuit but Nikon still charges 2K for a D100. So what is your logic?

Ger Bee · Oct 8, 2002

---- don't foget Kodak --

now getting serious with their pricing and always supstantial professional solutions.

Bimo said:
You have a choice to selll your Nikon and buy a Canon or Fuji.

--
Bimo.

--

Soon to be a FORMER NPS member and Nikon owner - I've had it - bring on the real professionals.

herbet50979 · Oct 8, 2002

Gabriele Sartori said:
Dan Hammontree said:

sue nikon and firmware will never be released or updated for fear
of a lawsuit... (the consumer looses)

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Are you kidding?

The FW will be RELEASED for fear of a lawsuit!

They need to clean their $hit

In what world do you live?

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

Jan Willem Mars · Oct 8, 2002

no p[lane facts, I only am stateting with this that we are all interdependent upon each other, also the americans...

jw

Moon said:
Moon said:

what the heck only japanese pensionholders will pay the
price. (which is a very limited view IMHO, it is these same
japanese and european - future- pensioners that are bringing in the
money for all this zillions of debt the americans are building
up....)

Click to expand...

Wow! Talk about your blanket, nonsense statements! Sounds more like
prejudice to me...

--
greatings to you all!
some of my photo's at:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jwmars

Moon · Oct 8, 2002

No offense intended (perhaps defense ;-)). I just get insensed sometimes when people make generalizations about a country with a population of 280,000,000 people. I happen to agree with your philosophy with regards to litigation. I would venture a guess that there are many, many, many millions of 'Americans' that agree.

No matter what GWB says, we don't always 'speak with one voice' ;-)

BTW - Your gallery of photos is fantastic!

Jan Willem said:
jw

Moon said:

Jan Willem Mars said:

what the heck only japanese pensionholders will pay the
price. (which is a very limited view IMHO, it is these same
japanese and european - future- pensioners that are bringing in the
money for all this zillions of debt the americans are building
up....)

Click to expand...

Wow! Talk about your blanket, nonsense statements! Sounds more like
prejudice to me...

Click to expand...

--
greatings to you all!
some of my photo's at:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jwmars

Frits · Oct 8, 2002

Gabriele Sartori said:
Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

--
Frits

Boxbrownie · Oct 8, 2002

Jan Willem Mars said:
Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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--

Er! am I missing the point here or what?

What exactly are you going to sue them for? what problem have you with the camera you had every chance to try before you bought?

Best regards David

Norge · Oct 8, 2002

Moon said:
'America' is a BIG F'n country. There are 280,000,000 people here.
That's 35 TIMES the population of Austria. We're not all the same!

That is true, but the tendency is certainly there...People making lawsuits for burning their tounges on hot coffee, falling on slippery floors etc. Any kind of stupid mistakes that really should be related to common sense. People screwing up their camera by making such a mistake during a firmware upgrade could certainly lead to such lawsuits.....

But I'm willing to sign a contract with Nikon, taking full responsibility for anything that may go wrong, in able to be doing firmware upgrades myself.
--
Med hilsen fra lille Norge

daytontp · Oct 8, 2002

First off, lawsuits cause prices to go up, no questions asked. A main example is sporting goods safety equipment. Especially, football helmets. I was watching a show on TLC on night and they were talking about this same thing. The cost of a NFL or NCAA football helmets (in mid 1990's) was about $130, of which $80 to $85 is to cover lawsuit costs.

Why do you think insurance is so expensive. I wonder how many people sue insurance companies for fraudulant reasons. Not to say people do not get hurt, and they do not deserve compensation. But, come on, does someone really deserve millions of $$ for spilled hot coffee or falling in a grocery store.

Look at computer harddrives, the top 4 manufacturers are reducing the warranties from 3 years to 1 year, and Manufacturer is making to warranty and extra expense.

You want to sue Nikon because they want you to send your camera in upgrade the firmware in it. I do not think you will win this one. And, even if you did, I do not think the changes the company would make will benefit everyone. I am pretty sure the customers will not win in the long run.

What if Nikon came out and said that, sure here is the firmware, but if you load it into you D100 yourself, you will void the warranty on the camera. That would be the same as every car manufacturer out there. What about all the big name computer companies that do not support your pc (or parts of it) if you add 3rd party hardware or software to it.

Is it that difficult to shoot film for 2 weeks while you wait for your digital camera. I'm sorry, but I think your argument is rediculous, but that is my opinion.

I THINK YOU NEED TO SELL YOUR NIKON AND BUY A CANON.

--
Dayton http://www.pbase.com/daytontp/
Nikon N80 w/ MB-16 Grip
Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D
Nikkor 70-300 f/4-5.6D ED
Sigma 28-105 f/2.8-4 Asp

Thom Hogan · Oct 8, 2002

Gabriele Sartori said:
Gabriele Sartori said:

Please, let's not increase the cost of future Nikon equipment with
frivolous litigation.

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It's already been increased in this country (US).

Gabriele Sartori said:
They will stay competitive with Canon and others. And in any case I
can't care less. It will be a loss of their profit in Japan and
some Japanese shareolders will see their pension fund dropping 0.1%

Actually, the net result would probably not be what you think, Gabrielle. Because Japanese manufacturers have been burned in the past with over litigation in the US, they have a tendency to set up wholly owned US subsidiaries. The US company buys equipment from the Japanese parent at a price that covers the US costs of doing business. If you increase the price of doing business in the US through litigation, the cost of officially imported equipment will simply go up.

Gabriele Sartori said:
These things NEVER impact the prices of goods or services because
we have a free market and competition is good.

Perhaps. But Nikon's photographic business is a VERY small part of the overall company. I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility that increases in the cost of doing business might make Nikon consider dropping photographic equipment.

Gabriele Sartori said:
Did you see McDonald increasing the price for their hamburgers
after they gave a couple million $ to the old lady that spilled the
coffee?

No, only their quality.

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D100
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com

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