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A D3000 size semi pro model
In body focus motor to drive all AF-D lenses (esp primes)
Weather proofing
5 Frames per second
D5000 sensor or new equivalent
D90 and above remote flash control
HD movie and liveview
Hang on basically a updated D90 but shrunk down (Ok lose the pentaprisim)

So a small DSLR with MUCH better spec and features then any mirrorless camera can provide so therefore seperating the gap more between the 2 concepts.
 
Umm. I don't see GPS and Bluetooth on that list. And, you didn't mention the availability of downloadable apps. So, obviously this list needs improving. I'll probably sign up as long as it's less than $2000 and has a 3-year or 36,000 exposure warranty.
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WiFi and a touch screen would be nice too :-)

Now, seriously, people, I get depressed every time I see a D5000/T1i and a D90 side by side at Costco. Can't they squeeze the D90 into a D5000, lose two thirds of the buttons and wheels and still have a usable machine?
 
Turbo 46032 said:
WiFi and a touch screen would be nice too :-)

Now, seriously, people, I get depressed every time I see a D5000/T1i and a D90 side by side at Costco. Can't they squeeze the D90 into a D5000, lose two thirds of the buttons and wheels and still have a usable machine?
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Those buttons were part of the reason I bought a D90. My D40 drives me nuts with its heavy reliance on menus to change key settings.

I also prefer the weight of my D90. It feels better balanced with a lens attached. I don't really see the difference in physical dimensions to be all that significant in practice.
 
I've got no need for Bluetooth, but I shot an event this weekend where it would've been genuinely nice to have had a WiMAX (4G) connection in the camera to upload a few timely shots during the long drive home. Lugging a 3-pound netbook with a mobile data card is just too much work... :-)

Mark my words: 2012 - "Droid D7000 by Nikon".

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Plothole said:
Turbo 46032 wrote:

Those buttons were part of the reason I bought a D90. My D40 drives me nuts with its heavy reliance on menus to change key settings.

I also prefer the weight of my D90. It feels better balanced with a lens attached. I don't really see the difference in physical dimensions to be all that significant in practice.
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I agree with the first statement. The second statement, obviously you are not a long distance backpacker! :-) Every quarter ounce and cubic centimeter makes a significant difference.
 
LyleB said:
Plothole said:
Turbo 46032 wrote:

Those buttons were part of the reason I bought a D90. My D40 drives me nuts with its heavy reliance on menus to change key settings.

I also prefer the weight of my D90. It feels better balanced with a lens attached. I don't really see the difference in physical dimensions to be all that significant in practice.
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I agree with the first statement. The second statement, obviously you are not a long distance backpacker! :-) Every quarter ounce and cubic centimeter makes a significant difference.
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Just goes to show that Sony might have something with its NEX cameras...no real attempt to provide intuitive direct user control, really a high end P&S, but an APS sized sensor. Though I'd doubt that strapping that 18-200 lens onto that tiny body would be a handling and balance delight.
 
But if not, I don't see a big market for it, other then backpackers counting ounces. The D60 is small & light, if you need smaller, there are a lot of very good P&S camera's now.

I see the P&S camera market getting better and better images going forward, that will close a bit of the gap.

I have a very old G6 (7meg) it is slow, and a little bulky by today's standards, and I'm sure the replacements do better. But other then high iso shots, there is really not much more it needs to do for a take with you travel light camera if you need to be smaller then the D60.
Sye68 said:
A D3000 size semi pro model
In body focus motor to drive all AF-D lenses (esp primes)
Weather proofing
5 Frames per second
D5000 sensor or new equivalent
D90 and above remote flash control
HD movie and liveview
Hang on basically a updated D90 but shrunk down (Ok lose the pentaprisim)

So a small DSLR with MUCH better spec and features then any mirrorless camera can provide so therefore seperating the gap more between the 2 concepts.
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LyleB said:
Plothole said:
Turbo 46032 wrote:

Those buttons were part of the reason I bought a D90. My D40 drives me nuts with its heavy reliance on menus to change key settings.

I also prefer the weight of my D90. It feels better balanced with a lens attached. I don't really see the difference in physical dimensions to be all that significant in practice.
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I agree with the first statement. The second statement, obviously you are not a long distance backpacker! :-) Every quarter ounce and cubic centimeter makes a significant difference.
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hey every user has a different necessity. long distance backpacking -- great example where size is a big issue. casual shooting that i do? not an issue.

i actually feel that the D90 feels small and compact compared to the canon 10-50/7D series cameras. and although the D90 is an "old" camera that could stand to be refreshed, i still do believe that it is in that same "tier" of camera class... D3000-5000, D40, etc. compare with the rebels, D70, 80, 90 etc. compare with the 20D, 30D, 40D by canon. even though its size, price tag, and some outdated features (a sign of its age, not its capabilities) do compare more with the rebel series by canon.

but yes i also picked teh D90 because of its larger size and more access to buttons. my first SLR was a canon digital rebel, and i had it for about a year before i traded it up to a 20D. i couldn't stand the small body. again, different users have different needs
 
Sye68 said:
So a small DSLR with MUCH better spec and features then any mirrorless camera can provide so therefore seperating the gap more between the 2 concepts.
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Saw your posts frequently at the m4/3 forum ...

It is interesting that despite the excitement from the m4/3 crowd that sometimes reaches religious dimension, people who are comfortable with dSLRs, like most of the people here, do not seem to care about these m4/3 or NEX cameras.
 
I recently bought my first DSLR (Nikon D5000) after much research and hands on testing. For weight and convenience the Pana G-series seemed to be my best choice. My problem was everytime I did a comparison my D5000 pictures turned out best (probably my fault more than the cameras).

Result: I bought the D5000 kit and love it, but having said that a Pana GF1 style body by Nikon would be a nice addition. So, absolutely, if they build it and the price is right, I'll buy one. :)
 
Vandyu said:
Umm. I don't see GPS and Bluetooth on that list. And, you didn't mention the availability of downloadable apps. So, obviously this list needs improving. I'll probably sign up as long as it's less than $2000 and has a 3-year or 36,000 exposure warranty.
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Why the sarcasim ??
 
If it weren't for Panasonic's stuborn-ness, I would be shooting a GH-1 w/14-140 and 7-14 (m4/3 for y'all). But, the Panasonic was expensive, and the size, while smaller, was not MUCH smaller. At the end I decided on the D90 after uber-frustration (we qualify for Panasonic supplier discounts, and the prices were OK, then for a weekend they were amazing, then bad, kinda like gas prices in the Midwest :-)).

To make a short story long, I decided on a dual approach - D90 for myself and a G11 for my children (teens) who can learn to shoot on a 'real' camera that we can take anywhere.

Micro 4/3 has a future only if Panasonic wakes up and adjusts prices with reality - as much as I like m4/3, not having a flagship better than GH-1 from, say, Olympus (love their lenses) and the stubborn prices and lack of local availability and accessories did it in.

I do not believe the Sony is a 'serious' approach. The Olympus EP-2 is pretty good, as is the GF-1 from Panasonic, but the price points are way too high. The EPL1 is a good start but needs to be priced at $400-450 (G11 level), not higher...
 
eNo said:
How about a compact DSLR with a full frame sensor?
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Certainly a dream, wich will take loooong from Nikon to come true. tha A850 is the closest to this camera.

Now Sony strikes again with NEX series, what a clever move!. its a Camera i wish were Nikon.

It has probably DP2/DP1 IQ in one Body, EP-1 oly body type wich probably has much better DR (DX sensor sized).
On top of that has videocapabilities as a bonus.

If it were Nikon labeled i would have money for it.

Joaquin
 
likely still this year. Question is if it'll be APS-C or smaller sensor. There's talk of a 17mm diagonal sensor system, some patents were registered for that last year.

I'll wait and see.

I don't think you'll see what you're asking for. The entry-level dslr in a few years will be the D90 line, below that it'll be mirrorless, that's my guess.
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It's amazing how many times I've said the same thing--if only it were a Nikon!
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joaquin100 said:
eNo said:
How about a compact DSLR with a full frame sensor?
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Certainly a dream, wich will take loooong from Nikon to come true. tha A850 is the closest to this camera.

Now Sony strikes again with NEX series, what a clever move!. its a Camera i wish were Nikon.

It has probably DP2/DP1 IQ in one Body, EP-1 oly body type wich probably has much better DR (DX sensor sized).
On top of that has videocapabilities as a bonus.

If it were Nikon labeled i would have money for it.

Joaquin
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With sony now releasing products (and a couple more soon) with newer sensors, wouldnt be too surprised to see some Nikon updates anounced this year, specifically updates to D90 & D300.

As for mirrorless, there are rumours that canon might be working on something, so why not Nikon.

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