Sue Nikon

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to 150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

No.

Please, let's not increase the cost of future Nikon equipment with frivolous litigation.

Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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Chris Sherwood said:

No.

Please, let's not increase the cost of future Nikon equipment with
frivolous litigation.

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They will stay competitive with Canon and others. And in any case I can't care less. It will be a loss of their profit in Japan and some Japanese shareolders will see their pension fund dropping 0.1%

These things NEVER impact the prices of goods or services because we have a free market and competition is good.

Did you see McDonald increasing the price for their hamburgers after they gave a couple million $ to the old lady that spilled the coffee?

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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

sue nikon and firmware will never be released or updated for fear of a lawsuit... (the consumer looses)

Chris Sherwood said:

Please, let's not increase the cost of future Nikon equipment with
frivolous litigation.

Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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Dan Hammontree
Miami, Florida USA
http://www.danhammontree.com

Dan Hammontree said:

sue nikon and firmware will never be released or updated for fear
of a lawsuit... (the consumer looses)

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Are you kidding?

The FW will be RELEASED for fear of a lawsuit!

They need to clean their $hit

In what world do you live?

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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

Chris Sherwood said:

Please, let's not increase the cost of future Nikon equipment with
frivolous litigation.

Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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Gabriele good luck with a class action lawsuit against Nikon. If you really believe in your cause, remember that actions speak louder than words (or forum posts).

Ever wonder why there are so few small competetors out there to take on large companies?

IT'S BECAUSE THE BIG COMPANIES ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN AFFORD THE PRODUCT LIABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS!

The premiums are horrendus because people like you are always bringing stupid lawsuits like the one you propose. Cessna aircraft had to stop making small aircraft for ten years because they were getting killed on silly lawsuits - the widow of a pilot who crashes flying under the influence of alcohol sues Cessna because the 1950's vintage aircraft he was flying in had a maintenance issue that MAY have contributed to the crash. Cessna has to fight it, and usually settles out of court. It killed them until the liability laws changed to limit how far back a person can go to sue a company.

As others have said...if you keep this up, they'll NEVER release firmware updates. Because although you might be happy with a free 2.0 release, the scumbag lawyer you hire won't be. He'll bring a suit everytime they post a new page on their web site.

Dave

Dave Harpe said:

Ever wonder why there are so few small competetors out there to
take on large companies?

IT'S BECAUSE THE BIG COMPANIES ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN AFFORD
THE PRODUCT LIABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS!

The premiums are horrendus because people like you are always
bringing stupid lawsuits like the one you propose. Cessna aircraft
had to stop making small aircraft for ten years because they were
getting killed on silly lawsuits - the widow of a pilot who crashes
flying under the influence of alcohol sues Cessna because the
1950's vintage aircraft he was flying in had a maintenance issue
that MAY have contributed to the crash. Cessna has to fight it,
and usually settles out of court. It killed them until the
liability laws changed to limit how far back a person can go to sue
a company.

As others have said...if you keep this up, they'll NEVER release
firmware updates. Because although you might be happy with a free
2.0 release, the scumbag lawyer you hire won't be. He'll bring a
suit everytime they post a new page on their web site.

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Good point, Dave. Sometime, the jurors should also share the blame. Let us see how the big Mac handles the current legal battle. But, the question is: what is the merit of the proposed LS against Nikon? Are we expecting a perfect camera? What is "perfect?" Or, does the current version of Nikon cameras have design flaws that could cause the damage of product like the the piston problem mentioned in the original post?

CK
http://www.cs.mtu.edu/~shene/DigiCam

For me the mercedes example is totally incomprehensible, must be missing tons of extra information here... why is mercedes to blame if you change your own oil when the service scheme is about NOT doing just that?

secondly, what are you complaining about? or are you just filing lawsuits with a dotted line were the complaint uses to be?

And to think, as some of the posteters on this thread seem to do, that the panalties are not being paid in the end by the consumers as a whole is ludicres. All other participants in the market will increase there risk assesment, insurance companies will increase there prices, etc etc... It is thus rather more complex then just stating: what the heck only japanese pensionholders will pay the price. (which is a very limited view IMHO, it is these same japanese and european - future- pensioners that are bringing in the money for all this zillions of debt the americans are building up....)

Without trying to make political statements of any kind, but the amarican legal system has some very specific backgrounds and insights, especcilaly concerning liabilities e.g. ONE smoker that gets 25 billion dollars for smoking? and all the others?

JW

Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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greatings to you all!
some of my photo's at:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jwmars

You Americans, always want to file a lawsuit, for every little fart, I cannot understand this.....

Walter

Have you tasted the fries lately.

Gabriele Sartori said:

Chris Sherwood said:

No.

Please, let's not increase the cost of future Nikon equipment with
frivolous litigation.

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They will stay competitive with Canon and others. And in any case I
can't care less. It will be a loss of their profit in Japan and
some Japanese shareolders will see their pension fund dropping 0.1%

These things NEVER impact the prices of goods or services because
we have a free market and competition is good.
Did you see McDonald increasing the price for their hamburgers
after they gave a couple million $ to the old lady that spilled the
coffee?

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Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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And what's the point of the proposed suit? Is there some "implied warranty" that firmware has to be upgraded over the internet and not by mailing in the camera? Did Nikon promise that it would upgrade firmware over the internet? Does their method of upgrading damage the camera and make it unuseable? How have you been injured?

If you don't like the way Nikon does this, don't buy Nikon. That's the free market way of expressing your feelings. No one is making you buy Nikon when you have Canon, Fuji, Kodak and soon Sigma to choose from.

Sorry, Gabriele, but this is over the top.

JC

Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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That is true...we don't have to buy Nikon, and perhaps some of us will leave the Nikon family as a result of it. For some this will be easy, and for others not so...especially if you have a lot of lenses and equipment. I know of one professional collegue here who sold all his Nikon stuff and bought canon...now he said he never looked back...canon is the one for him, perhpas he is on to something.

But for some others it is all about the Nikon mystique of the past, that we are so desperatly trying to hold on to...the few have a history with Nikon and are upset what Nikon is doing, and because of their history with Nikons products, is getting personally upset. Especially if you don't want to relearn what you have learned and finetuned using Nikon products.

Good tools are hard to come by and our professional lives depend on it. I like Nikon, and my history goes way back with my father, I still use the F1 he gave me, which was one of his first SLRs that he bought with his money he saved up.

And nowit is my turn, and I am saving up for a d100, but at this rate and in those conditions I am considering alternatives, such as the Fuji S2 pro. But who knows, perhaps I will also become a canon man, which my father woudl frown upon as he still clings to the Nikon mystique, but how to explain to him, taht Nikon is not what they used to be, with capital and profit margins nawing away at the once revered quality.

JC said:

If you don't like the way Nikon does this, don't buy Nikon. That's
the free market way of expressing your feelings. No one is making
you buy Nikon when you have Canon, Fuji, Kodak and soon Sigma to
choose from.

Sorry, Gabriele, but this is over the top.

JC

Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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You have a choice to selll your Nikon and buy a Canon or Fuji.

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Bimo.

People like you are the very reason we're paying 2K for a D1o0.. Get a life, get a lawyer if you must, but stop such stupid nonesense..

BKKSW

Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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psd250 said:

And nowit is my turn, and I am saving up for a d100, but at this
rate and in those conditions I am considering alternatives, such as
the Fuji S2 pro. But who knows, perhaps I will also become a canon
man, which my father woudl frown upon as he still clings to the
Nikon mystique, but how to explain to him, taht Nikon is not what
they used to be, with capital and profit margins nawing away at the
once revered quality.

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And you're welcome to your choice. I just got my D100 returned from upgrading to 1.01 and then found out about 2.00! I was NOT happy with the thought that I will have to send the camera out again. (I actually used film this past weekend, and after shooting 10 rolls of Provia in three days, I appreciate how digital saves money in the long run.)

Then again, I don't HAVE to send the camera in right away. It's working fine (although Nikon chose to keep my eyecup!) and I've been getting around the Adobe rgb problem in PS7. So I'll wait for a time when I don't expect to use the camera much and send it in at that time. Or I might wait to see what the next upgrade will be.

I wish that we could do the upgrade ourselves, but I don't pretend to know Nikon's reasons for having to send the camera in. Thom Hogan wrote in this forum (about a month or so ago) that access to the firmware may be such that it cannot be upgraded by downloading software to a compact flash card the way Canon does it. Thom knows more about the camera than I ever will, so I'll go with what he says.

It's a pain, I wish it could be done by us (and I may sign Jason's petition), but it's not actionable in court.

JC

Gabriele Sartori wrote:
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Gabriele Sartori said:

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

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Gabriele Sartori said:

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

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You have got to be joking, surely! You want to sue them because they have released a firmware upgrade? I thought this would be considered a positive and welcomed move, regardless of how it is acheived.

RR

Agree!

I don't know what this is called in the States but some people in Hong Kong did file and win lawsuits against the government regarding their "legitimate expection" of rights of abode.

Although the D1 series are marketed as professional D-SLRs, they fail almost in all professional aspects "legitimately expected" except toughness (however, the rubber on my D1x is peeling off after just 10 months of service) - they never expose correctly (No bull$hit underexposure lattitude please! Such claim seems ridiculous when an out-of-camera D1x shot is compare with what taken with CP950), the do-little white-balancing circuitry, the out-of-hand dust problem, back-focus problem, false TTL etc.

So you end up spending hundreds bugs on Nikon Capture and A/C adaptor (the battery charger cannot power the camera, why????) to remedy their faulty design and bugs.

And expect to pay more again and again for sending the camera back for upgrades.

Perhaps a lawsuit can tell Nikon something - in particular the fact that a camera manufacturer cannot live on brand loyalty alone.

Peter

Sure, I can understand people not liking to have to return their camera for an update; I also don't like it.

Starting a petition seems like a good thing to do (which has already happened); although I doubt it will help much in our case, it might help to have Nikon reconsider this design in future model cameras.

But sueing ? Come on, in the end, it still is we that are paying for such things.

Jörg

Gabriele Sartori said:

Nikon need a class action LS. Last week I got a letter from
Mercedes Benz. My wife car is the SUV ML320.

A customer of Mercedes didn’t trust the flex service provided by
Mercedes, where basically they never let you do the service since
it should be free. He decided to go at Wal-Mart, bought some
regular oil and changed the oil himself.

After a while the car starts to leak eventually he had to change
all the pistons. He sued Mercedes and now Mercedes is extending the
warranty from 4 years to 10 years and the mileage from 50000 to
150000 as a part of the settlement.

This is what Nikon needs. They haven’t been in US enough probably
but they like the US money these B@$t@rd.

I’ve the name of this legal firm that did the entire lawsuit to
Mercedes and made a few million $ out of it. I think they will be
happy to know about Nikon, so if we put the petition on the web
site and we write to this “nice people” they may take care of our
problem and I think will be contingency base no cost for us
consumer.

What do you think? I think is time to do it.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

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Just what wrong with the world, today. People sue over everything. I hope you are at the end of one of these nasty suits one day.

Greg Gebhardt D1, D1x, CP5000 & CP5700
Jacksonville, Florida