Your list is right on for me, although I would like even better high ISO performance
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The next generation K-7... what do you want to see?
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Roland Mabo
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It will have Tesla drive so one will never run out of power.
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Jon Schick
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I'd like to be able to save more than one set of "user" settings.
And I would like to be able to customise what appears on the info screen on the rear LCD - this is a really useful way of changing settings quickly, but I don't need everything that is on there and would love to add one or two others that aren't (eg ability to input focal length - would be very useful with old zoom lenses, and saves digging around menus or switching camera off then back on again). This should be doable as a firmware update to the current camera?
That said, unless the next camera is a huge step up, I'll stick with the K-7: it's already more than good enough for me.
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And I would like to be able to customise what appears on the info screen on the rear LCD - this is a really useful way of changing settings quickly, but I don't need everything that is on there and would love to add one or two others that aren't (eg ability to input focal length - would be very useful with old zoom lenses, and saves digging around menus or switching camera off then back on again). This should be doable as a firmware update to the current camera?
That said, unless the next camera is a huge step up, I'll stick with the K-7: it's already more than good enough for me.
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- Better noise/high ISO performance (the only deal breaker on K-7 till now)
- Faster AF system (specially AF-C)
- Articulating LCD
- Return back individual SR switch (or let us program that stupid raw key for this matter)
- Buffer increase for RAW
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I do not mean a completely open source (though why not?), but I guess if they make the camera customizable (the more the better) it will be attractive for many younger/geek users. Something like locking the OS, and opening the AS in other stuff...
The older generation of photographers may still use the default setting or pay someone to do it if they are afraid of touching it themselves. It works; Pentax can be different in this area too.
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Farhad
The older generation of photographers may still use the default setting or pay someone to do it if they are afraid of touching it themselves. It works; Pentax can be different in this area too.
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bduncan
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Programmable buttons, in both review and photo modes.
eg. A trash button that could do something useful like be a bracket button in photo mode.
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eg. A trash button that could do something useful like be a bracket button in photo mode.
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DLBlack
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I do agree.
Sign me up for these flashes. I will get two AF600 and the CF200 FGw.
Dave
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Tord S Eriksson
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This was the wisest I've seen here yet!
With FF comes a new array of lenses, while a lower-noise, articulated display and high ISO K-7x is just product development!
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With FF comes a new array of lenses, while a lower-noise, articulated display and high ISO K-7x is just product development!
And why is FF not realistic?I wouldn't mind a FF Pentax myself but I can't see it happening in the foreseeable future.
Since being acquired by Hoya, the company has spent the last two years trying to consolidate it's position in order to simply survive.
With the K-7, and primarily the K-x, it appears to have done that.
It has actually stemmed the losses and reported a profit.
The 645D has been work in progress for about 4 years and although just released it is far too early to determine whether or not it will be a profitable decision for the company.
Instead of producing the K-x, if Hoya/Pentax had spent all that effort and more to manufacture a $2500 FF DSLR I think that decision in the current climate would have been the death of Pentax.
Why?
Because the market for a Pentax FF is still far too small to be a viable business proposition.
The K-x was a smart move at it has generated a lot of brand new first time Pentax owners.
Producing a FF instead of the K-x would have not brought enough new first time Pentax buyers into the fold and Pentax desperately needed to do that in order to increase its customer base.
Most Pentax FF buyers would already be exsisting Pentaxians looking to upgrade their APS-C DSLR's. The reality is, as it stands, is that is nowhere near a big enough market.
Most FF buyers would either be existing Canon or Nikon owners that are far more likely to purchase a Nikon or Canon FF than switch to a Pentax FF.
And besides, not many first time DSLR purchasers are going to buy a FF as their first camera anyway so that rules them out.
By producing the K-x instead Pentax has grown its customer base. That then may make it viable for Hoya/Pentax to look at a FF camera further down the track as some of these new Pentax owners first outgrow their K-x's... then K-8's(?) and then finally look at upgrading to something better (FF?) in the future.
However I am still not really even convinced we will still see a FF from Pentax as I predict we are heading towards a major global economic collapse within the next two years and people are going to be far more concerned about other things than spending money they don't have on a FF camera!
Yes folks batten down the hatches, the sh*t is soon going to hit the fan!
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DLBlack
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You shot about the same rate as I have with my K-7. IN 9 months I n=ow have 12,000 plus shots. I am continuing to enjoy my K-7.
This will be nice. I would also like to see iso 50 and even 25.
Faster and better is always better when it coms to AF.
This is a big thing for me and would be the thing that would get me to go FF or MF.
Always nice. The 1/180 is just a little too slow, but still ver useable.
Would love to see a better flash system. Going bluetooth would be nice. More powerfull flash would be nice. Better controls would be nice. Weather Resistant would be nice.
Never shot vido with the K-7 so this is not that important to me.
I would guess I would rather keep the size of the camera small and would rather use my full feature GPS.
This would be really nice.
I really love my K-7. The few additional things I see that would improve the K-7 would be:
1. Move the Liveview button just a little bit more away from the 4-way buttons. After 12,000 shots I still press it by accident. I guess you would say I "fat finger" the Liveview button.
2. Iso 25 & 50
3. More DR.
4. Improved SR. Now that the AF is faster the SR is now the thing I have to wait for and sometime I forget to look for the SR hand.
5. Have a pan mode with SR.
6. Auto AF calibration by using Liveview AF.
7. Less image nosie at iso 1600
6. Be able to use 2 second timer with HDR mode.
8. 1.0 or 1.2 X magification in the VF to go with the 100% view.
Dave
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Joseph Tainter
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Reduced high ISO noise.
Joe
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tacotim
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1. higher sync speed
2. higher sync speed
3. HIGHER SYNC SPEED!!!
seriously, high sync speed with a hybrid electronic/mechanical shutter like the very INexpensive d40, d50, d70 had. They could sync reliable at 1/1600 and beyond
there is a whole slew of strobist folks that would jump all over that because nikon and canon no longer offer a model that does this.
oh also full manual control over video please, and 60 FPS for 720p.
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2. higher sync speed
3. HIGHER SYNC SPEED!!!
seriously, high sync speed with a hybrid electronic/mechanical shutter like the very INexpensive d40, d50, d70 had. They could sync reliable at 1/1600 and beyond
there is a whole slew of strobist folks that would jump all over that because nikon and canon no longer offer a model that does this.
oh also full manual control over video please, and 60 FPS for 720p.
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KSV
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And what else one possibly could want? Frankly I personally do not care anymore - got D700
18MP too much - if you want better ISO you need sacrifice resolution - not yet everyone can grasp that simple idea? Want 18MP and good high ISO? FF is solution.
In theory they could, but I doubt. I never been happy with Pentax APS-C AF, though never been complain on AF on film bodies. FF is solution.
Ditto to high ISO - FF is solution
Cannot get why one need it when all modern flashes support fast sync.
Forget it. Once and forever - they need to change everything. Get Nikon instead.
Cannot get why people need it. Completely.
Including voice guided navigation, compass, altimeter, virtual horison and fish finder. Satellite phone would be nice touch as well. Obviously 3G must for map downloading. And when we have 3G it would be completely silly not to include Google map and Google street. Please do both IE and FireFox - people need choice! E-mail client and SMS a must. And obviously since we have HD video (i.e. mike and speaker included) fail to see why not include Skype - people need to communicate. Excel spreadsheet and word processor will not be that much burden also. Some nice games (net-games of course!). Please feel free to add if I forget some important stuff.
Edit: Of course I new that I forget something! HDTV a must (with recording, of course!)! We do not want download and watch crappy ytube clips - we want real stuff!!!
Redundant - see above
KSV
Veteran Member
I can give you other perspective. It is true that Pentax will be able to catch very few (if any) "foreign" customers from SoNiCan camps with FF system - they already got their own and very unlikely to switch. Pentax should do FF to prevent old pentaxians leave camp forever. People who like (and can!) invest in FF are very lucrative market - they are not students who counting each dollar, but rather mature people (or even pensioners) who have money to support their hobby. They will buy new lenses and flashes. But if they left Pentax there will be no way back - they will gone forever. And whom Pentax gain instead? Some pricks who get K-x because "DSLR better then P&S" and then asking why they cannot get sharp pics when shooting from stretched hands using something like 18-250? Those are shitty customers, they came by mistake (they simply not DSLR people) or they get K-x (or whatever) on price basis. They will not buy new lenses and flashes regularly - in fact they will happily shoot on stretched hands using universal 18-250 and built-in flash forever. Or sell it on E-Bay and get mobile phone with "decent" camera instead. If it is business plan from Pentax to gain new questionable customers by loosing most lucrative and loyal ones, then I would rather look somewhere else.I wouldn't mind a FF Pentax myself but I can't see it happening in the foreseeable future.
Since being acquired by Hoya, the company has spent the last two years trying to consolidate it's position in order to simply survive.
With the K-7, and primarily the K-x, it appears to have done that.
It has actually stemmed the losses and reported a profit.
The 645D has been work in progress for about 4 years and although just released it is far too early to determine whether or not it will be a profitable decision for the company.
Instead of producing the K-x, if Hoya/Pentax had spent all that effort and more to manufacture a $2500 FF DSLR I think that decision in the current climate would have been the death of Pentax.
Why?
Because the market for a Pentax FF is still far too small to be a viable business proposition.
The K-x was a smart move at it has generated a lot of brand new first time Pentax owners.
Producing a FF instead of the K-x would have not brought enough new first time Pentax buyers into the fold and Pentax desperately needed to do that in order to increase its customer base.
Most Pentax FF buyers would already be exsisting Pentaxians looking to upgrade their APS-C DSLR's. The reality is, as it stands, is that is nowhere near a big enough market.
Most FF buyers would either be existing Canon or Nikon owners that are far more likely to purchase a Nikon or Canon FF than switch to a Pentax FF.
And besides, not many first time DSLR purchasers are going to buy a FF as their first camera anyway so that rules them out.
By producing the K-x instead Pentax has grown its customer base. That then may make it viable for Hoya/Pentax to look at a FF camera further down the track as some of these new Pentax owners first outgrow their K-x's... then K-8's(?) and then finally look at upgrading to something better (FF?) in the future.
However I am still not really even convinced we will still see a FF from Pentax as I predict we are heading towards a major global economic collapse within the next two years and people are going to be far more concerned about other things than spending money they don't have on a FF camera!
Yes folks batten down the hatches, the sh*t is soon going to hit the fan!
Cheers
The reality of why Pentax won't release a 35mm (FF) sensor camera yet, if ever...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=35279226
I felt they same as you untill I started to play with the video on my K-7.
With the SR and use of high quality lenses (Limited's etc) makes it possible to produce very impressive results. I'm now contsructing a DIY steadycam unit for my K-7. Take a look on the web to see the stunning videos being shot on the Canon 5D MkII. The final TV episode of 'House' was in shot in HD entirely with a Canon 5D MkII. It is logical to expect the next version will be 1080P and hopefully will also allow the AF to operate while recording. Put it this way, they're not going dump the video option from the next model so 1080p is a logical step.
If people do a lot of travel and location photography then it's not such a gimmick as you may think. Travel writers etc.
Try telling that to studio shooters who don't like have to reschedule shoots after they check the results during editing. Plus PC control can be useful.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=35279226
I grasp it just fine.... most manufacturers don't because they're interested in marketing to the 'pixel sheeple'. I doubt if the K-8 or whatever they call it will have a lower pixel count than the Canon 7D. Do I wany more pixels? No I'd rather have the extra high ISO gain but instead there will likely be a moderate improvement in high ISO plus more MP rather than the same MP and a major high ISO improvement. That's likely to be the reality.
Yes you can use HSS at shutter speeds above than standard sync speed but at progressively reduced flash output as the shutter speeds increase. At very high sync speeds the flash output often becomes ridicously low and usually insufficient if you require anymore than a touch of token fill. ie under very bright sunlight.
Like it or not video equipped still cameras are here to stay.
I felt they same as you untill I started to play with the video on my K-7.
With the SR and use of high quality lenses (Limited's etc) makes it possible to produce very impressive results. I'm now contsructing a DIY steadycam unit for my K-7. Take a look on the web to see the stunning videos being shot on the Canon 5D MkII. The final TV episode of 'House' was in shot in HD entirely with a Canon 5D MkII. It is logical to expect the next version will be 1080P and hopefully will also allow the AF to operate while recording. Put it this way, they're not going dump the video option from the next model so 1080p is a logical step.
For location tagging.
If people do a lot of travel and location photography then it's not such a gimmick as you may think. Travel writers etc.
You really think tethering is not a big deal?
Try telling that to studio shooters who don't like have to reschedule shoots after they check the results during editing. Plus PC control can be useful.
Good list.
To that I would add a small hard drive in the battery grip. I am sure that is easily implemented. It would be enormously useful to anyone who takes a large number of photos.
Peter
To that I would add a small hard drive in the battery grip. I am sure that is easily implemented. It would be enormously useful to anyone who takes a large number of photos.
Peter
KSV
Veteran Member
Completely agree. After 3 years of hoping I finally gave up and get D700
Unfortunately IMHO you are 100% correct. And this is yet another reason why I stop waiting for FF from Pentax - even if they release one there is absolutely no hope for 12-ish MP sensor, more like 25+
Yes, what you say make sense, but if you use ISO 800-1600, then you do not need that much flash power.
No doubt.
IMHO new Panasonic 4/3 videocam kill everything. Anyway if I would be in videogame, I will definitely get this one
Sorry, IMHO still gimmick. Voice tags far better
Sorry, not
Cheers
Duplo
Veteran Member
Tried shooting strobes outdoors in daylight?
ISO800-1600 is not oging to do much good there. you are likely working with studio lights and a higher sync speed will allow you to reduce the amount of ND filters used or avoid stopping too far down.
Personally my primary use for strobes are not low light, but quite the opposite
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KSV
Veteran Member
But for using strobes one need longer exposure, or I am missing something? I been making point that although having superfast sync speed is of course always welcome, after inventing fast sync it became not that much priority anymore.Tried shooting strobes outdoors in daylight?
ISO800-1600 is not oging to do much good there. you are likely working with studio lights and a higher sync speed will allow you to reduce the amount of ND filters used or avoid stopping too far down.
Personally my primary use for strobes are not low light, but quite the opposite
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Cheers
The problem with yout FF rant is this, you are now stuck with a oversizes camera and lens solution.
Most people are waiting for Pentax FF because they will likely make it more K-7 sized.
If you are willing to sacrifice everything else for low light shooting then the D700 is a good camera, but..... Its not a travel camera, its not a pick up and shoot camera, and it can make your back ache easily. I even have to think about taking a K20D with me with a prime. I would much rather a smaller lighter system.
Most people are waiting for Pentax FF because they will likely make it more K-7 sized.
If you are willing to sacrifice everything else for low light shooting then the D700 is a good camera, but..... Its not a travel camera, its not a pick up and shoot camera, and it can make your back ache easily. I even have to think about taking a K20D with me with a prime. I would much rather a smaller lighter system.
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