thatpentaxguy
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LOL. After reading the rest of the responses, it's amazing to see how little sense of humor is demonstrated.
Thanks anyway... I for one enjoyed it!
Thanks anyway... I for one enjoyed it!
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OMG, how will Sony, Canon and Nikon answer Pentax?
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janneman02
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I was about to say the same but had some businees coming up and the you beat me...LOL. After reading the rest of the responses, it's amazing to see how little sense of humor is demonstrated.
Thanks anyway... I for one enjoyed it!
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DrugaRunda
Senior Member
I sense Olympus discrimination in the thead title
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common sense is anything but common
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common sense is anything but common
thatpentaxguy
Active member
That's the spirit!
I sense Olympus discrimination in the thead title
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common sense is anything but common
KSV
Senior Member
May be very true if they produce 10 units per month
Pete Dee
Senior Member
Thanks TPG, keep smiling.LOL. After reading the rest of the responses, it's amazing to see how little sense of humor is demonstrated.
Thanks anyway... I for one enjoyed it!
Pete Dee
Senior Member
LOL, what was I thinking????
Apparently according to another thread the Canon S90 is much better than the Kx anyway so I am guessing Oly has actually closed down and has forgotten to tell both the users.... ;-)
Apparently according to another thread the Canon S90 is much better than the Kx anyway so I am guessing Oly has actually closed down and has forgotten to tell both the users.... ;-)
I sense Olympus discrimination in the thead title
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common sense is anything but common
Pete Dee
Senior Member
Thanks guys, I really think some people take some of this stuff way to seriously and way to personally. They should learn to relax a little. Personally for the last day or so I have been off caving and using my W80 to take some snaps.I was about to say the same but had some businees coming up and the you beat me...LOL. After reading the rest of the responses, it's amazing to see how little sense of humor is demonstrated.
Thanks anyway... I for one enjoyed it!
Cheers.
Pete
jamesm007
Veteran Member
Yep like it or not the 645D will have better IQ than any FF from Sony, Canon, Nikon. Its using a Kodak CCD not a pixel cramped Sony CMOS. As soon as a FF sensor goes beyond about 20Mp its pixels get smaller than the MF. Its not only bigger but designed from the ground up for the highest IQ possible. Today's FF or any high ISO sensor makes compromises to achieve an acceptable blend of performance for most. But it can be beat, its not the best digital has to offer. The 645 has no AA filter, its not trying for iso6400; its pure IQ. You will find Kodak's MF CCD are in a different league. Why else would someone buy one of these? Its just logic.
If in the studio, or outdoors your being paid grab a MF Pentax 645D. If on the sports sidelines, grab a Nikon. Is a Pro level Nikon/Canon good enough for studio work, yep. But there's always the guy who wants something different, better for his/her work.
Does a 645 make my K20D better, no. Does it propel Pentax into the top, no. But it is nice to see Pentax doing what it does best. Make great cameras and primes.
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1.7 x 2.3 is of course significant, but that MF market is quite insignificant compared to others and the 645D is mainly of interest to those Pentax owners who want to go FF. The other makers most probably would do nothing in response, and just concentrate on making money in the bigger and more lucrative markets.
KSV
Senior Member
Truly it is amuses me from time to time. FF by fanboys labeled as “insignificant” gain in IQ comparing to APS-C while size/weight/price seems to them total killer. Frankly very much the same people truly believe that cropped MF is far superior in IQ to FF (mind you no-one seen it yet) and size/weight/price of 645D suddenly became “affordable”. Funny – is not it? Especially considering that sensor increase from APS-C to FF far bigger then from FF to cropped MF, while body size of APS-C and FF camera very comparable mainly due to APS-C carry too much legacy from film days. Furthermore FF for Pentax according to fanboys not that right move, because of absence of lenses. Yet one only lens of modern design considered being enough by them when we talking about 645D! Also they somehow believe that FF has not got enough market, and thus “unprofitable”, yet they completely positive that 645D will be sold as hotcakes.
No, I am not saying that 645D is “useless” or will not render better quality pictures then FF. On the contrary, I do believe that it will do better IQ indeed. But I do not believe that cropped MF bring so much improvement that can warrant investing so much money into yet new system. May be for some (particularly those who have huge legacy from old day), but definitely not for majority.
Although being fanboy is definitely pays. Very much as believing in God – those who do certainly could get some benefits out of it. And those who cannot believe sometimes feel jealous to those who do believe, because they realize that believing make life much simple and easier, though not necessarily it reflects surrounding in more precise way.
Cheers
No, I am not saying that 645D is “useless” or will not render better quality pictures then FF. On the contrary, I do believe that it will do better IQ indeed. But I do not believe that cropped MF bring so much improvement that can warrant investing so much money into yet new system. May be for some (particularly those who have huge legacy from old day), but definitely not for majority.
Although being fanboy is definitely pays. Very much as believing in God – those who do certainly could get some benefits out of it. And those who cannot believe sometimes feel jealous to those who do believe, because they realize that believing make life much simple and easier, though not necessarily it reflects surrounding in more precise way.
Cheers
Pete Dee
Senior Member
No I don't think those that want FF will find the 645D interesting other than the fact that the 645D would interesting in itself.
KSV
Senior Member
Nope. I am interested in FF, but have not interest what so ever in 645D. Not saying that 645D is bad (no-one know it yet), bit it is just not of my (FF dreamer) interest. Thanks.
Cheers
CANIKONTAXIAN
Leading Member
I am a Pentax owner who desired full frame. I now own full frame 24x36 from both Canon and Nikon, due partly to my frustrations with Pentax and later Hoya & Pentax.
I gotta say, D700 is alot more affordable than 645D. $9000 for a Japan only camera versus $2300 for a universally available full frame Nikon leaves alot of spare change to buy numerous lenses & more cameras, which I did buy.
I'll assume many here will buy grey market 645D to add to their Pentax aps-c kits. Not me, camaras above $2300 are priced way above my budget. Still 645D is fun to read about, just like 1Ds Mark III, 1D Mark IV, D3x are all fun to read about. I guess my next new camera will be 5D Mark II once the price settles further down. Now that I own both Canikon lenses, getting another body from either company makes more sense to me than buying a $9,000 Japan market only camera, which I own no lenses for.
I am curious to see how many Pentaxians will support Hoya by buying grey market 645D over the next year ???
I gotta say, D700 is alot more affordable than 645D. $9000 for a Japan only camera versus $2300 for a universally available full frame Nikon leaves alot of spare change to buy numerous lenses & more cameras, which I did buy.
I'll assume many here will buy grey market 645D to add to their Pentax aps-c kits. Not me, camaras above $2300 are priced way above my budget. Still 645D is fun to read about, just like 1Ds Mark III, 1D Mark IV, D3x are all fun to read about. I guess my next new camera will be 5D Mark II once the price settles further down. Now that I own both Canikon lenses, getting another body from either company makes more sense to me than buying a $9,000 Japan market only camera, which I own no lenses for.
I am curious to see how many Pentaxians will support Hoya by buying grey market 645D over the next year ???
Is there even such thing as a "high end" gray market camera? That sounds like an oxymoron. Not at all comment directed at "CANIKONTAXIAN" , but on a gray market of a $9000 camera. There is not even a gray market version of that D700 you purchased now is there?
Yes, it's quite interesting. When the "shoe is on the other foot", so to speak, humour seems to be quite one sided.
Some have the hide to say that MF is no better than FF - one here on this thread says "stick a Zeiss lens on a 50Mp sensored FF camera and it will be better then MF", I mean come on, this is the same argument that the FF advocates get so upset about when APS C proponents say the same thing.
Same here.Thanks anyway... I for one enjoyed it!
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zxaar
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i do not know how shoe is on other foot. I can count hundreds of APC users contemplating buying full frame because price difference is not much. For example 1400$ k7 or 1900$ A850. But same could not be said about MFs. Pick 1900$ A850 or 10000$ MF.Yes, it's quite interesting. When the "shoe is on the other foot", so to speak, humour seems to be quite one sided.
Some have the hide to say that MF is no better than FF - one here on this thread says "stick a Zeiss lens on a 50Mp sensored FF camera and it will be better then MF", I mean come on, this is the same argument that the FF advocates get so upset about when APS C proponents say the same thing.
Same here.Thanks anyway... I for one enjoyed it!
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Lance B
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By releasing MF pentax has not put any dent in Full frame market of canon nkion and sony. So would they even bother about answering anything. Nope.
May be difference of 8000$ is peanuts to you but not to others.
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That's not what I was eluding to. What I was getting at was that some are saying the MF is not any better than FF if you stick a top lens on FF and have 50Mp, but the same could be said for APS C versus FF, get high enough Mp on APS C and a top lens and you can get just as good quality. I do not think this is true for either scenario, but if you say that you can get just as good IQ from a FF camera as MF everything being equal, then you must also believe that you can get just as good IQ from an APS C camera given the same argument, which in both cases is just clearly wrong.i do not know how shoe is on other foot. I can count hundreds of APC users contemplating buying full frame because price difference is not much. For example 1400$ k7 or 1900$ A850. But same could not be said about MFs. Pick 1900$ A850 or 10000$ MF.Yes, it's quite interesting. When the "shoe is on the other foot", so to speak, humour seems to be quite one sided.
Some have the hide to say that MF is no better than FF - one here on this thread says "stick a Zeiss lens on a 50Mp sensored FF camera and it will be better then MF", I mean come on, this is the same argument that the FF advocates get so upset about when APS C proponents say the same thing.
Same here.Thanks anyway... I for one enjoyed it!
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Lance B
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That was not my point.
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