GF1 settings for better JPEGs - I'm getting closer...

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As some of you may have followed, I had an E-PL1 and GF1 together for about a week, and while I returned the E-PL1 for various reasons I definitely recognized that the E-PL1 did seem to produce JPEG files out of the camera. I noticed as well that it tended to produce RAW files whose White Balance settings in AWB mode that matched more closely what I would tend to chose were I to WB by hand. While I have doubt I'll remain a RAW shooter due to the flexibility it gives me, this experience did spur me to dig a bit deeper into the GF1's capabilities to see if I could improve the JPEG output through a combination of Film Mode and White Balance tweaks.

White Balance Adjust

What I've concluded so far is that one of the main differences between the E-PL1 and the GF1 is with Auto White Balance. I would say that, in general, the E-PL1's AWB is more accurate. But the bigger difference seems to be that the GF1 tends to WB towards the cool side, the E-PL1 on the warm side. Since I tend to err on the warm side, the E-PL1 meshed better with my tastes. Many GF1 users work around this by setting WB manually, which works fine. However, I prefer to use AWB (on a camera that has reliable WB) and so I've started tweaking the GF1's White Balance adjust to get it to have more of a warm bias. There's two axes within this section - G (Green) to M (Magenta) and A (Amber) to B (Blue). If you're used to a RAW processor like ACR, G to M maps to the "tint" slider within the "Basic" section and A to B maps to the Temp slider.

The A to B WB adjustment is the real key here, since while it doesn't allow you the full control that the WB K Set will, it does allow you about a - + 1K adjustment on top of the WB K setting that the camera comes up with either based on a preset, a manual settings or the Auto White Balance value/. By moving towards the A end of the axes, you can warm up all Auto White Balance settings. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell the "stops" on the axes do not map conveniently to 100K increments exactly, and seem to vary according to where you're starting from (the increments are a bit different if you're fine tuning Tungsten vs. AWB, for instance). But I've found that dialing in about 7-9 steps towards A gives me much more pleasing AWB values. I also dial in a little bit of Magenta bias.

Here's some examples from today. Note that these were all done under cloudy conditions, which are typically not as challenging as say broad daylight, but my experience has been that this works well no matter what kind of light you're under, with maybe the exception of Tungsten. The "RAW" image was the image as I adjusted within Lightroom without looking at the JPEG, to get it to the point where I liked it - this includes WB tweaks (although usually very minimal) and tone tweaks. The JPEG is the JPEG straight out of the camera, no modifications.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sambennett/4548515309/



http://www.flickr.com/photos/sambennett/4549147790/



http://www.flickr.com/photos/sambennett/4549147636/



http://www.flickr.com/photos/sambennett/4548514061/



http://www.flickr.com/photos/sambennett/4548513877/



RAW vs. JPEG Differences

One of the annoying things I've found with this technique is that while using WB Adjust can result in better JPEGs, it will also cause your RAWs to get thrown off a bit. The values do not map over exactly, and I've noticed that the amount of Magenta bias you have to dial in to counter a green cast in the JPEG output will results in RAW output that's too Magenta. Easy enough to take care of in RAW later.

Tone Curve

After the first few weeks with the GF1, one of the things I noticed is that the exposures I was seeing in review appeared to be significantly different than what I was seeing in RAW. With a bit of experimentation I noted that using the "Smooth" Film Mode gave me highlight warnings in review that matched the highlight warnings in Lightroom much more closely. Since then, I've sort of just kept it on the Smooth setting. After getting the E-PL1 and noting how much different the GF1's looked, I started scrutinizing the JPEG output from the GF1 a bit more closely and noticed that the skintones I was getting were really pretty sucky. This week I've spent time experimenting with the different Film Modes, and I've settled on using the "Vibrant" mode. This mode out of the box is a bit aggressive - oversaturated and too contrasty. So, I've started dialing in -1 Contrast and -1 Saturation which I feel gives me a more "natural" looking curve overall. These are the settings used in the samples above.

Anyway... this experiment isn't done. I will continue using these settings in the coming weeks and see how well they generalize over a lot of different photography. My primary concern really is skintones, and sometimes that can lead you to settings that are not ideal for shooting other things.

As for whether this makes the GF1 better or even on par with the Olympus JPEGs? My gut says no, but I definitely feel it brings them closer. I have a feeling that Olympus' tone curves are more similar to my personal approach in Lightroom, with accentuating the black levels for a "deeper" tone curve. There's no way to really "fix" that with the GF1, since the Contrast slider effects both shadows and highlights. Hopefully someday manufacturers will wise up to the fact that some of us are savvy enough to want to control these values separately.

Please feel free to try these settings out and let everyone know what your experience is.

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Sam Bennett - http://www.swiftbennett.com
 
Thanks! I've got 5 toward A on the horiz scale and 2 toward M on the vertical scale. I'll give it a try today.

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Phil .. Panasonic GH1 (14-140, 7-14, 20 f/1.7, 45-200); Oly E-PL1 (14-42); Canon 40D, S90
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Hi Sam, thanks for sharing on your findings and settings.

For the 2nd photo with the blue door, which output is more color accurate to the actual scene, the RAW or Jpeg output? The color of the doors do seem to be quite different.
 
Thanks! I've got 5 toward A on the horiz scale and 2 toward M on the vertical scale. I'll give it a try today.
2 toward M made skies more magenta, not good. I'll have to try some more.

EPL1 compares: So far I've not carried both at the same time. I will soon.

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Phil .. Panasonic GH1 (14-140, 7-14, 20 f/1.7, 45-200); Oly E-PL1 (14-42); Canon 40D, S90
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Hi Sam, thanks for sharing on your findings and settings.

For the 2nd photo with the blue door, which output is more color accurate to the actual scene, the RAW or Jpeg output? The color of the doors do seem to be quite different.
Definitely the RAW. I'm not really sure what's up with that one. I didn't change the color temp in Lightroom, just the exposure and the black levels a bit. I think a scene like this with very strong colors might be more sensitive to the differences in the tone curve, especially if they adjust the curves per-channel. Definitely a bit eyebrow raising.

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Sam Bennett - http://www.swiftbennett.com
 
Thanks! I've got 5 toward A on the horiz scale and 2 toward M on the vertical scale. I'll give it a try today.
2 toward M made skies more magenta, not good. I'll have to try some more.

EPL1 compares: So far I've not carried both at the same time. I will soon.
If you're using AWB, keep in mind that this is just sitting "on top" of whatever AWB calculation the camera first comes up with, so if it gets it way wrong to begin with, these settings could make it worse in some cases. This is the kind of thing I'm going to have to get a feel for over time, and it may be the thing that genuinely makes the Olympus cameras more reliable in the long run.

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Sam Bennett - http://www.swiftbennett.com
 
Maybe its an over extension of blue for the jpeg engine? Would adjusting the tone curve help?

The jpegs all look pretty good but I still prefer your RAW processing.
 
Sam Bennett wrote:
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Tone Curve

After the first few weeks with the GF1, one of the things I noticed is that the exposures I was seeing in review appeared to be significantly different than what I was seeing in RAW. With a bit of experimentation I noted that using the "Smooth" Film Mode gave me highlight warnings in review that matched the highlight warnings in Lightroom much more closely. Since then, I've sort of just kept it on the Smooth setting. After getting the E-PL1 and noting how much different the GF1's looked, I started scrutinizing the JPEG output from the GF1 a bit more closely and noticed that the skintones I was getting were really pretty sucky. This week I've spent time experimenting with the different Film Modes, and I've settled on using the "Vibrant" mode. This mode out of the box is a bit aggressive - oversaturated and too contrasty. So, I've started dialing in -1 Contrast and -1 Saturation which I feel gives me a more "natural" looking curve overall. These are the settings used in the samples above.

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You should try using the Nostalgic Film Mode,as this has been shown in the review on this site (and I think also in the Imaging Resource review) and by the experience of many users to more closely match raw output in terms of higlight clipping in review playback.

Regards,
 
To do the adjustments you desire in-camera, Panasonic (and other digital camera manufacturers) would have to build color response parameter adjustment that offers the same control over individual color that the firmware jpeg coding uses, i.e., RGB or six-color adjustment. That way, the user could undo the Panasonic engineers' built-in color shift that's present in the GF-1 jpegs. Again, H/S/L controls in PS and LR do exactly this function. (I know this isn't an in-camera solution - again, there isn't one unless Panasonic re-engineers the firmware).

I thought the RAW self-portrait skin tones looked great, BTW.
 
You should try using the Nostalgic Film Mode,as this has been shown in the review on this site (and I think also in the Imaging Resource review) and by the experience of many users to more closely match raw output in terms of higlight clipping in review playback.
In terms of clipping, Smooth was working fine - it's just the JPEG output that was whack. Since Vibrant much more closely matches my tone curve preferences I think I may just have to be hyper-aware that the Highlight warning is a bit conservative. May ultimately not be worth it...

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Sam Bennett - http://www.swiftbennett.com
 
To do the adjustments you desire in-camera, Panasonic (and other digital camera manufacturers) would have to build color response parameter adjustment that offers the same control over individual color that the firmware jpeg coding uses, i.e., RGB or six-color adjustment. That way, the user could undo the Panasonic engineers' built-in color shift that's present in the GF-1 jpegs. Again, H/S/L controls in PS and LR do exactly this function. (I know this isn't an in-camera solution - again, there isn't one unless Panasonic re-engineers the firmware).
It's pretty clear to me that this sorts of shifts are what are present in the different Film Modes, so my hope is that by experimenting with the Film Modes, in combination with the AWB fine tuning I'm recommending we can get to a big improvement.
I thought the RAW self-portrait skin tones looked great, BTW.
Thanks. Lightroom's default curve isn't too bad. The example I posted has a bit too much Magenta bias (and the JPEG's slightly too green), but in your own photos you seem to prefer that - not sure if that's monitor differences or just aesthetic differences. I like the punchy-but-cool look you get with your processing, but it's not quite my thing.

Again, I have no illusions of ditching RAW processing all together. I'm very happy shooting in RAW and will continue to do so. But hopefully this will help people who do want to shoot JPEG and help me when I want to shoot RAW+JPEG while on trips where I want to post quick shots up to Facebook/Flickr without having to haul around a laptop.

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Sam Bennett - http://www.swiftbennett.com
 
The RAW file is no more than the digitized outputs from the sensor pixels. Your WB setting has no effect on the contents of this file. WB is used to control the mix of the RGB used to make the JPEG output and the visualization you see on the viewing screen.
RAW vs. JPEG Differences

One of the annoying things I've found with this technique is that while using WB Adjust can result in better JPEGs, it will also cause your RAWs to get thrown off a bit. The values do not map over exactly, and I've noticed that the amount of Magenta bias you have to dial in to counter a green cast in the JPEG output will results in RAW output that's too Magenta. Easy enough to take care of in RAW later.

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Sam Bennett - http://www.swiftbennett.com
 
I wasn't implying it changed the RAW data, just the metadata tags for WB, etc. This just effects what Lightroom or other RAW converters would show with default settings in the converter. In my experience, Lightroom tries its best to give you WB settings that match what was set in the camera (it clearly changes as you change settings on the camera), but its tint is usually too magenta in relation to what's set in the camera.
The RAW file is no more than the digitized outputs from the sensor pixels. Your WB setting has no effect on the contents of this file. WB is used to control the mix of the RGB used to make the JPEG output and the visualization you see on the viewing screen.
RAW vs. JPEG Differences

One of the annoying things I've found with this technique is that while using WB Adjust can result in better JPEGs, it will also cause your RAWs to get thrown off a bit. The values do not map over exactly, and I've noticed that the amount of Magenta bias you have to dial in to counter a green cast in the JPEG output will results in RAW output that's too Magenta. Easy enough to take care of in RAW later.

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Sam Bennett - http://www.swiftbennett.com
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Sam Bennett - http://www.swiftbennett.com
 
Yeah, I've seen it but it doesn't really help me much. I'm really focused on getting the most out of the camera without having to do post processing, messing with profiles, etc. For me, the only time I'd likely use JPEGs is with something like the iPad for throwing JPEGs up during a vacation, etc. so I wouldn't really have the option to use profiles.
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