Olympus and Panasonic AF-speed now almost equal?

G1 is just under 0.4 s with 14-45
GF1 is between 0.4-0.5 s
E-PL1 is with 9-18 betwen 0.4-0.5 s, around 0.7-0.8 with its kit lens.

Numbers are a bit higher than dpreview, but it depends on the test method.

Concl is that E-PL1 can be as fast as GF1 but that it is probably a tiny bit slower than GF1 using the same lens.
 
Ok i just thought about which advantages the cemareas do have nor for potential buyers.

I came up so far with:

GF1
Compared to E-P1/2
  • Flash
  • AVCHD video codec
Compared to E-PL1
  • better looks
  • control wheel
  • AVCHD video codec
  • 1/4000th fastest shutter speed
E-P1/2
Compared to GF1
  • IBIS
  • jpegs
  • stereo sound in video
  • better EVF (E-P2)
Compared to E-PL1
  • control wheels
  • better looks
  • 1/4000th fastest shutter speed
E-PL1
Compared to E-P1/2
  • flash
  • even better jpegs
Compared to GF1
  • jpegs
  • IBIS
  • better EVF
  • price
That´s what i came up with until now...
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Has Panasonic given Olympus their AF software?
This wouldn´t be for any use for current cameras.

All the algorithms for AF-processing as well as image-processing are hardwired. Of course there are parameters that can be tweaked, but you can´t change the underlying algorithm without designing a new processor. And to do that it takes some time.
 
Ok i just thought about which advantages the cemareas do have nor for potential buyers.

I came up so far with:

GF1
Compared to E-P1/2
  • Flash
  • AVCHD video codec
I'd say that AVCHD video codec is a double edge sword : the quality may be higher, but 1) it takes more time to handle and 2) the codec is less compatible with usual apps installed on computer. You need higher processing capacity to handle it.

For the rest I think that your list is fair.

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Ok i just thought about which advantages the cemareas do have nor for potential buyers.

I came up so far with:

GF1
Compared to E-P1/2
  • Flash
  • AVCHD video codec
I'd say that AVCHD video codec is a double edge sword : the quality may be higher, but 1) it takes more time to handle and 2) the codec is less compatible with usual apps installed on computer. You need higher processing capacity to handle it.

For the rest I think that your list is fair.

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Windows 7 plays the avc files natively in the explorer window? even with the low end machine that I have upgraded to win7 it has no issue. Also win7live, although very basic handles the avc stuff natively as well. Personally, would like to see Olympus add it to the EP, its a dissapointing exclusion!
 
rrr_hhh wrote:
Ok i just thought about which advantages the cemareas do have nor for potential buyers.

I came up so far with:

GF1
Compared to E-P1/2
  • Flash
  • AVCHD video codec
I'd say that AVCHD video codec is a double edge sword : the quality may be higher, but 1) it takes more time to handle and 2) the codec is less compatible with usual apps installed on computer. You need higher processing capacity to handle it.

For the rest I think that your list is fair.

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rrr_hhh
Actually, MotionJPEG gives better video quality. AVCHD provides far more sophisticated compression hence the difficulty (more power required) in decompressing/working with it.

Regards,
 
Haven't acquired a Panny M4/3 lens yet, but I can say that the Pen with the latest firmware, and a CDAF optimized lens like the 4/3 PL25 is very quick.

Does good but not terrific in low light - the PL25 gets stopped down to around 2.0-2.8 when focusing.
 
Are you implying that a battery not fully charged effects focus speed?

Beth

Thouhgt: Since companies make most of their $$ on lens sales (I'm guessing here), it makes sense that one company would share software with a competitor. They BOTH stand to make $$ from the more equal competition!
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Now that the AF speed is at the same level, the E-P1/2/L1 are better deals that the GF-1.

And at its price right now, the E-P1 the best deal of all m4/3 cameras, if you don't need an EVF, of course.

Competition is good. If Panny AF were slower at first, Oly would never had worked on AF speed!

Now, I guess we will see soon a GF-2 even faster AF and better jpeg output :-)
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Now that the AF speed is at the same level, the E-P1/2/L1 are better deals that the GF-1.
--YOU NEED TO FACTOR IN COST OF PANY KIT LENSES OR OLY LATEST LENSES FOR AF SPEEDS TO BE SAME BUT THEN COSTS MORE
And at its price right now, the E-P1 the best deal of all m4/3 cameras, if you don't need an EVF, of course.
--OR A PANY 20/1/7 or PANY 14-45 LENS

Depends on what country you live, in last few months I believe the E-PL1 cost more than GF-1 w 20/1.7 in Japan so in Japan the GF-1 is the better deal there.
In the US GF1 costs more.
Competition is good. If Panny AF were slower at first, Oly would never had worked on AF speed!

Now, I guess we will see soon a GF-2 even faster AF and better jpeg output :-)
 
Now that the AF speed is at the same level, the E-P1/2/L1 are better deals that the GF-1.
--YOU NEED TO FACTOR IN COST OF PANY KIT LENSES OR OLY LATEST LENSES FOR AF SPEEDS TO BE SAME BUT THEN COSTS MORE
GOOD POINT ;-) but I was speaking about bodies.
And at its price right now, the E-P1 the best deal of all m4/3 cameras, if you don't need an EVF, of course.
--OR A PANY 20/1/7 or PANY 14-45 LENS
Agree about the 20mm. But you can sell the GF-1 after for a good price.
Depends on what country you live, in last few months I believe the E-PL1 cost more than GF-1 w 20/1.7 in Japan so in Japan the GF-1 is the better deal there.
In the US GF1 costs more.
True. Here in Switzerland, the Panny G series are REALLY difficult to find and very expensive, and the 20mm even more. So if I want to buy one, I'd have to order it from USA or Japan, with import taxes to be added :-(
On the opposite, the PENS are available everywhere for excellent prices.
Competition is good. If Panny AF were slower at first, Oly would never had worked on AF speed!

Now, I guess we will see soon a GF-2 even faster AF and better jpeg output :-)
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Frederic
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True. Here in Switzerland, the Panny G series are REALLY difficult to find and very expensive, and the 20mm even more. So if I want to buy one, I'd have to order it from USA or Japan, with import taxes to be added :-(
On the opposite, the PENS are available everywhere for excellent prices.
You won't gain much by buying one outside : once you have factored in the shipping costs, the 7.6% VAT (which is applied to the total prices, shipping costs included), plus the 30.- SFr you'll ought to the company completing the custom formalities, plus the less than advantageous change provided by the credit card company, plus the 2% percent charged by the credit card company. You end up pretty close to the price at which you can get it here.

For good deals along with good advice, try going to Photo Grancy in Lausanne : they always have very competitive prices; often less than what you can get at Media Markt, Interdiscount or FNAC; more or less in the same ball park as online shops, but with the bonus of personal advice. The shop is very tiny, also sells lot of second hand stuff, can order anything you need. Avoid going there on Saturdays however, since the queue is often so long that it reaches outside on the sidewalks. The day I decided I wanted a 20mm I paid them a visit and they just happened to have one left (that's always what they say...); unlike the E-P1, it costed me a little more than what I'd have had to pay online, but I could get one immediately, compared to an indefinite wait.

I have often seen people coming here from Geneva, since it has such a good reputation for quality services and a policy of low prices.

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EP1+v1.3+PL25 rocks
What do you mean exactly ? the 1.3 isn't the last version on the E-P1, the last version is 1.4; I had made the 1.3 update, but the focus wasn't really different of what it was before, at least using SAF.

I have not yet had the time to test the 1.4, but this is the one which really improved focus, at least hearing what Dpreview tester have written.
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For good deals along with good advice, try going to Photo Grancy in Lausanne
You're right, I've been there a couple of times and it's an excellent shop. They have a lot of very interesting second-hand lenses sold at interesting prices.

Glad you found a 20mm f/1.7 there! I have checked here in Sion (I guess you know this town ;-), but no shops have it and no swiss online shops have it in stock too. I will make a trip to Lausanne soon, thanks for the advice!
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Cheers,

Frederic
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For good deals along with good advice, try going to Photo Grancy in Lausanne
You're right, I've been there a couple of times and it's an excellent shop. They have a lot of very interesting second-hand lenses sold at interesting prices.

Glad you found a 20mm f/1.7 there! I have checked here in Sion (I guess you know this town ;-), but no shops have it and no swiss online shops have it in stock too. I will make a trip to Lausanne soon, thanks for the advice!
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Digifuchs has one in stock to-day.. but it costs 650.- or something like that.

PS : yes, I know that city... but only from a certain distance ;-)
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Now that the AF speed is at the same level, the E-P1/2/L1 are better deals that the GF-1.
Depends upon ones needs. If you need pop-up flash (e.g. as a fill on a bright day) GF1 is a better deal than E-P1/2. If on top of flash you also want control wheel and less P&S'ish interface then GF1 is still a better deal than E-PL1. Otherwise, I agree, one of the Oly's are better deals.
And at its price right now, the E-P1 the best deal of all m4/3 cameras, if you don't need an EVF, of course.
And can live without control wheel and dedicated buttons.

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E-P1/2
Compared to GF1
  • IBIS
  • jpegs
  • stereo sound in video
  • better EVF (E-P2)
Compared to E-PL1
  • control wheels
  • better looks
  • 1/4000th fastest shutter speed
Another advantage to the E-P1 and E-P2 as far as I know is In-body orientation sensor. That can be quite the time saver for people who shoot a lot of pictures.
 

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