Side By Side Pics From F707 vs G2

Michael R. Treasure · Oct 4, 2002

Would like the forum to tell me what you think of these side by side photo comparisons between the F707 and the Canon G2 at the following link: Click here: http://kontsevoy.com/comparo/

-- Mike.

Sharon102827 · Oct 4, 2002

Michael R. Treasure said:
Would like the forum to tell me what you think of these side by
side photo comparisons between the F707 and the Canon G2 at the
following link: Click here: http://kontsevoy.com/comparo/

-- Mike.

My photo club at work met yesterday and someone brought 2 prints from 2 different G2's both of which showed uneven compression and smoothing. Our techno geek said that perhaps the G2 applies too aggressive algorythmns for sharpening. At any rate the prints both sucked in comparison to the Sony.>

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Sharon
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Ulysses · Oct 4, 2002

I remember these when they were originally taken.

Some shots show the F707 as the more impressive, and others show the G2. Depends upon what you're looking for. Sometimes the one camera has less noise, and other times another camera.

Color is subjective.

What do YOU think, is the important question.

Michael R. Treasure said:
Would like the forum to tell me what you think of these side by
side photo comparisons between the F707 and the Canon G2 at the
following link: Click here: http://kontsevoy.com/comparo/

-- Mike.

--

Ulysses

Hal Fisher · Oct 4, 2002

I hope the 717 fixed the night shot wb. How would that be fixed anyway? I mean those are yellow street lights right? I guess a manual wb is needed for that.

Hal

Ulysses said:
Some shots show the F707 as the more impressive, and others show
the G2. Depends upon what you're looking for. Sometimes the one
camera has less noise, and other times another camera.

Color is subjective.

What do YOU think, is the important question.

Michael R. Treasure said:

Would like the forum to tell me what you think of these side by
side photo comparisons between the F707 and the Canon G2 at the
following link: Click here: http://kontsevoy.com/comparo/

-- Mike.

Click to expand...

--

Ulysses

Jarret Williams · Oct 4, 2002

When oh when will sony ever learn.

they should include free sun glasses with their cameras to protect us from their color! The canon has far better color accuracy.

Michael R. Treasure said:
Would like the forum to tell me what you think of these side by
side photo comparisons between the F707 and the Canon G2 at the
following link: Click here: http://kontsevoy.com/comparo/

-- Mike.

Ulysses · Oct 4, 2002

Hal Fisher said:
I hope the 717 fixed the night shot wb. How would that be fixed
anyway? I mean those are yellow street lights right? I guess a
manual wb is needed for that.

Ulysses · Oct 4, 2002

My dear sweet grandmother has terrible color accuracy, but she looks just fine the way she is, too.

BTW, those Canon shots are WAY too blue.

Have a good day.

Jarret Williams said:
When oh when will sony ever learn.
they should include free sun glasses with their cameras to protect
us from their color! The canon has far better color accuracy.

--

Ulysses

Arvin Chang · Oct 4, 2002

What do you mean by uneven compression? You mean compression artifacts? What size prints? Why two different G2's?

While I think the F707 is better than the G2. This doesn't sound like a fair test. In particular because you said the photos sucked, my gut feeling would be that they shouldn't be that much of difference. Hmm.. I would like to know a few more details before accepting this as a useful comparison.

Were there any 707 prints from the same person? Were the images post-processed (that can easily cause the problems you mentioned). What were the G2 settings?

--another techno geek

Sharon said:
My photo club at work met yesterday and someone brought 2 prints
from 2 different G2's both of which showed uneven compression and
smoothing. Our techno geek said that perhaps the G2 applies too
aggressive algorythmns for sharpening. At any rate the prints both
sucked in comparison to the Sony.>

Arvin Chang · Oct 4, 2002

Not to point fingers too much... but you really don't seem to like the F707 as ALL your posts are anti-7x7. Has this become your life mission?

That being said, I agree that Canon has more natural colors. (I'm not arguing with your conclusion, just your attitude).

--arvin

Jarret Williams said:
When oh when will sony ever learn.
they should include free sun glasses with their cameras to protect
us from their color! The canon has far better color accuracy.

Andreas P. · Oct 4, 2002

Hi Michael,

First, my subject title was just to increase the adrenalin level of some
SPF members

(and not meant serious)

In aspect of the colors it is indeed the fact that the Sony has it's own "colorspace"...

Either you are with us or against us, umh, you like it or not

(beside of this as long as the reds are not clipped you can alter the colors in the way you like it.

I think another criteria is more important here. The Sony offers 38-190mm focal length range and the Canon G2 only a 3x zoom.

At least for me this was the very limiting aspect of the G2 (beside a lot of positve ones)

Regards,

Andreas

Gordon W · Oct 4, 2002

Jarret Williams said:
When oh when will sony ever learn.
they should include free sun glasses with their cameras to protect
us from their color! The canon has far better color accuracy.

Since you obviously don't like Sony, Jarret, I'm curious what digital camera or cameras you have.

Gordon
--
Youth is wasted on the young.

Arvin Chang · Oct 4, 2002

I agree that the big difference is the zoom. If you need the zoom... so for the Sony or even the Nikon 5700... but from Michael's other post, he says he doesn't - his wants to shoot landscape, architecture, portraits (for oil paintings and brochures).

Then I don't think the zoom is necessary for him. If that's true... then you might as well save $200 and get the G2 and a microdrive. That's like getting 4WD for the "urban jungle."

--arvin

Andreas P. said:
Hi Michael,
I think another criteria is more important here. The Sony offers
38-190mm focal length range and the Canon G2 only a 3x zoom.
At least for me this was the very limiting aspect of the G2 (beside
a lot of positve ones)

Gordon W · Oct 4, 2002

Michael R. Treasure said:
Would like the forum to tell me what you think of these side by
side photo comparisons between the F707 and the Canon G2 at the
following link: Click here: http://kontsevoy.com/comparo/

When I was looking at replacements for my Nikon 990, I never considered anything under 5MP. Actually I wasn't considering anything under 6MP until I discovered how closely the F707 matched the 6MP DSLR's image detail, which is the most important thing to me. Color can be adjusted, dynamic range can be extended, but you can't get detail if it's not there.

So based on that alone I'd have go with the F707 here as well, although the Canon images looked very good. But that's expected from Canon. If they'd had a camera on the market with the F707's feature set it would have been a tough choice which to go with.

Gordon
--
Photography - a frame of mind.

Ulysses · Oct 4, 2002

Andreas P. said:
First, my subject title was just to increase the adrenalin level of
some SPF members (and not meant serious)

Hahahahahahaha... you take many risks. Kind of like throwing chum in the water while the sharks are swimming just beneath your feet.

Andreas P. said:
In aspect of the colors it is indeed the fact that the Sony has
it's own "colorspace"...

I thought they all had their own colorspace.

Andreas P. said:
Either you are with us or against us, umh, you like it or not

Well, there is some truth to that one.

Andreas P. said:
(beside of this as long as the reds are not clipped you can alter
the colors in the way you like it.

On this point, we will have to wait and see. I have good feelings about it. I can feel it in my bones.

Andreas P. said:
At least for me this was the very limiting aspect of the G2 (beside
a lot of positve ones)

The G3 is definitely a serious contender, even without the zoom. The feature set is quite strong.

--

Ulysses

Harry Behret · Oct 4, 2002

Mike,

I bet that the G2 users liked the G2 shots and the Sony users liked the 707 shots. Next time what you do is post the shots but don't tell anyone which camera took the picture. Then ask which shot they thought was better. You might get some interesting results.

Harry

Michael R. Treasure · Oct 4, 2002

Harry, your right. However someone told me about the Comparameter that compares pictures from different brands of DigiCams. It seems to me that the Canon has 2 things over the Sony. 1) Has more realistic color rendering. 2) The Canon produces sharper images. Can tell especially on outdoor shots with plants and leaves that are in the distance.

-- Mike.

Harry Behret said:
Mike,

I bet that the G2 users liked the G2 shots and the Sony users liked
the 707 shots. Next time what you do is post the shots but don't
tell anyone which camera took the picture. Then ask which shot they
thought was better. You might get some interesting results.

Harry

Ulysses · Oct 4, 2002

Michael R. Treasure wrote:
1) Has more realistic color rendering.

Gotta be careful with a statement like that.

I've been conducting some experiments with someone (no NOT Frankenstein brain surgery experiments...), and we've been trying to come about to some answers about what is "realistic color" and what contributes to it from the standpoint of the human eye. Results are interesting but still inconclusive at this point. More at a later date.

At any rate, as it pertains to the F717, this camera will be perceived as definitely having more "realistic" color than the F707 in most cases.

Note that with the G3 (actually started with the G2) and with the Nikon cameras since the 995, the other manufacturers have been "juicing up" their color, while Sony has been on a trek to tune it down. A real conundrum.

2) The Canon produces sharper images.

That's partly because of the smaller sensor. Either way, that conclusion is debatable and totally dependent upon the photographer and the subject matter, much more so than the cameras.

--

Ulysses

Harry Behret · Oct 4, 2002

Mike,

That's interesting but photographs are meant to be viewed by people not comparameters. My point is that you can take shots with the major DCs (5700, 5000, 7, 7I, 707, etc) and most folks could not tell you what camera took what shot. However I am now devastated knowing I just spent $1,000 on a 717 and the comparameter says that I blew it. Alas

Harry

Lan-Lord · Oct 4, 2002

I like the shots of University Methodist. I used to go there when I was an undergrad at UT.

Lan-Lord

Arvin Chang · Oct 4, 2002

Harry Behret said:
Mike,

That's interesting but photographs are meant to be viewed by people
not comparameters. My point is that you can take shots with the
major DCs (5700, 5000, 7, 7I, 707, etc) and most folks could not
tell you what camera took what shot. However I am now devastated
knowing I just spent $1,000 on a 717 and the comparameter says that
I blew it. Alas

Harry

Harry, you obviously don't know what the Image Comparameter is. It isn't some machine; it is simply a database of sample shots where you can do side-by-side comparisons between two cameras in roughly the same situations (same place, same subject, roughly same lighting conditions).

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

So when Mike says people used a "comparameter," he means people used it to find comparison photos between the F707 and the G2 .

Next time go find out first before you say anything. I know I'm being harsh, but you totally could have stopped and asked "what's a comparameter?" first. Instead you made your comments without even knowing what Mike was talking about.

--arvin

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