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Advice for Dye Sublimation printer
- Thread starter Harv
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fotografer
Veteran Member
Harv,
A dye-sub printer typically accepts only its own paper makes. The limited choice of media made them a little restrictive for folks looking for art papers, pearl, matte (some dye subs do matte), etc..
Fotografer
A dye-sub printer typically accepts only its own paper makes. The limited choice of media made them a little restrictive for folks looking for art papers, pearl, matte (some dye subs do matte), etc..
--Some of you already know that I am in the market for another
printer. HiTi does not support the Mac, so that is out. Which dye
sublimation printer would you recommend for the casual user? The
Sony DPP-SV55 looks all right. Also, do dye sublimation printers
accept any good quality glossy photo paper? Thanks in advance.
Fotografer
Paul V54639
Forum Enthusiast
Check out the reviews of the Kodak 8500 at $1000, it looks like a great machine...
fotografer
Veteran Member
Harv,
I am less informed, much less informed, about dye-sub. The Sony model you've quoted only prints 4x6, and so far I don't know of many paper types for it.
The Kodak 8500 is sub $1000 and only accepts glossy stock (their own), too. But this one at least prints up to 8x10. The even higher-end model 8600 apparently prints on matte paper as well, but printer, over $2000 (?) sounds like a lot to me.
If you are only after 4x6, I would recommend HiTi630PL, a new start-up company, with like $170 for the printer, accepts two types of papers so far, the UV-protected glossy stock and stickers (in short supply). The standalone is 630PS, and costs around $230, I think. Consummables are also reasonable. I am also considering this baby, if the longevity can be established by real users in this forum. I can wait, I hope the HiTi printer can as well (!)...
Fotografer
I am less informed, much less informed, about dye-sub. The Sony model you've quoted only prints 4x6, and so far I don't know of many paper types for it.
The Kodak 8500 is sub $1000 and only accepts glossy stock (their own), too. But this one at least prints up to 8x10. The even higher-end model 8600 apparently prints on matte paper as well, but printer, over $2000 (?) sounds like a lot to me.
If you are only after 4x6, I would recommend HiTi630PL, a new start-up company, with like $170 for the printer, accepts two types of papers so far, the UV-protected glossy stock and stickers (in short supply). The standalone is 630PS, and costs around $230, I think. Consummables are also reasonable. I am also considering this baby, if the longevity can be established by real users in this forum. I can wait, I hope the HiTi printer can as well (!)...
--Thanks, Fotographer! Any suggestions with respect to the Sony
DPP-SV55 or any other? As mentioned, I am only a casual user.
Great forum. Great site! Great fun!
Fotografer
J
Jim Dawson
Guest
The Kodak 8500 can also print matte. The glossy or matte is determined by the ribbon, not the paper. Its the same with my 8660.
Jim
Canon 1D
Jim
--I am less informed, much less informed, about dye-sub. The Sony
model you've quoted only prints 4x6, and so far I don't know of
many paper types for it.
The Kodak 8500 is sub $1000 and only accepts glossy stock (their
own), too. But this one at least prints up to 8x10. The even
higher-end model 8600 apparently prints on matte paper as well, but
printer, over $2000 (?) sounds like a lot to me.
If you are only after 4x6, I would recommend HiTi630PL, a new
start-up company, with like $170 for the printer, accepts two types
of papers so far, the UV-protected glossy stock and stickers (in
short supply). The standalone is 630PS, and costs around $230, I
think. Consummables are also reasonable. I am also considering this
baby, if the longevity can be established by real users in this
forum. I can wait, I hope the HiTi printer can as well (!)...
--Thanks, Fotographer! Any suggestions with respect to the Sony
DPP-SV55 or any other? As mentioned, I am only a casual user.
Great forum. Great site! Great fun!
Fotografer
Canon 1D
fotografer
Veteran Member
Thanks, Jim,
Maybe you can help Harv out here. How much is the consummables of 8500, is it the same as your 8660?
Are the 'matte' ribbon/paper combo costing more than the glossy ones? etc..
Fotografer
Maybe you can help Harv out here. How much is the consummables of 8500, is it the same as your 8660?
Are the 'matte' ribbon/paper combo costing more than the glossy ones? etc..
--The Kodak 8500 can also print matte. The glossy or matte is
determined by the ribbon, not the paper. Its the same with my 8660.
Jim
Fotografer
J
Jim Dawson
Guest
I just looked at Imagingspectrum.co for 8500 consummables and it appears that it is $1.72 for an 8x10. You can make 3 4x6's on one sheet also, so that would be $.57 each. You may find ink/paper cheaper from other suppliers, but that was the first to come to mind. That is a bit cheaper than the 8660, which is around $2.00. They use the same paper, but the 8500 is packaged differently. The ribbon is not the same.
The matte ribbon costs the same as the glossy, $110.00 per 100 sheets.
Imaging spectrum has alot of good info:
http://www.imagingspectrum.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/8500supplies.html?L+scstore+tsmd8719ff3a823a+1067961532
I only wish the 8500 had been available when I bought my 8660. It would have saved me $3000. The only advantage to me (an amateur) is that the 8660 can use 14" ribbon and paper to get full 8x12's or 4 4x6's per sheet. That isn't worth the difference in price.
Jim
Canon 1D
The matte ribbon costs the same as the glossy, $110.00 per 100 sheets.
Imaging spectrum has alot of good info:
http://www.imagingspectrum.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/8500supplies.html?L+scstore+tsmd8719ff3a823a+1067961532
I only wish the 8500 had been available when I bought my 8660. It would have saved me $3000. The only advantage to me (an amateur) is that the 8660 can use 14" ribbon and paper to get full 8x12's or 4 4x6's per sheet. That isn't worth the difference in price.
Jim
--Maybe you can help Harv out here. How much is the consummables of
8500, is it the same as your 8660?
Are the 'matte' ribbon/paper combo costing more than the glossy
ones? etc..
--The Kodak 8500 can also print matte. The glossy or matte is
determined by the ribbon, not the paper. Its the same with my 8660.
Jim
Fotografer
Canon 1D
Jim Ford
Senior Member
Try emailing HiTi - they're providing amazing support for users and I'm sure you'll get a prompt reply from them as to their intentions regarding the Mac.Some of you already know that I am in the market for another
printer. HiTi does not support the Mac, so that is out.
Regards: Jim Ford
Quincy Tran
Member
Hello Jim,
I read somewhere from readers of this forum that the matte version of the Kodak 8xxx is just a "dull" version of the glossy prints. How would you think about that? do these Kodak printers print matte photos well?
Thank you.
Quincy Tran
Quincy Tran
I read somewhere from readers of this forum that the matte version of the Kodak 8xxx is just a "dull" version of the glossy prints. How would you think about that? do these Kodak printers print matte photos well?
Thank you.
Quincy Tran
--The matte ribbon costs the same as the glossy, $110.00 per 100 sheets.
Imaging spectrum has alot of good info:
http://www.imagingspectrum.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/8500supplies.html?L+scstore+tsmd8719ff3a823a+1067961532
I only wish the 8500 had been available when I bought my 8660. It
would have saved me $3000. The only advantage to me (an amateur) is
that the 8660 can use 14" ribbon and paper to get full 8x12's or 4
4x6's per sheet. That isn't worth the difference in price.
Jim
--Maybe you can help Harv out here. How much is the consummables of
8500, is it the same as your 8660?
Are the 'matte' ribbon/paper combo costing more than the glossy
ones? etc..
--The Kodak 8500 can also print matte. The glossy or matte is
determined by the ribbon, not the paper. Its the same with my 8660.
Jim
Fotografer
Canon 1D
Quincy Tran
J
Jim Dawson
Guest
I don't know anything about the 8500 and have only printed a couple matte prints with my 8660. It looked OK, but certainly not like Epson matte paper (which I think looks like cardboard). It is more of a "luster" finish than a true matte. I prefer glossy, so maybe nothing would satisfy me. I have a couple 8660 matte ribbons that I will probably try to sell, since I seldom use the matte print feature.
Jim
Canon 1D
Jim
--Quincy Tran
--The matte ribbon costs the same as the glossy, $110.00 per 100 sheets.
Imaging spectrum has alot of good info:
http://www.imagingspectrum.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/8500supplies.html?L+scstore+tsmd8719ff3a823a+1067961532
I only wish the 8500 had been available when I bought my 8660. It
would have saved me $3000. The only advantage to me (an amateur) is
that the 8660 can use 14" ribbon and paper to get full 8x12's or 4
4x6's per sheet. That isn't worth the difference in price.
Jim
--Maybe you can help Harv out here. How much is the consummables of
8500, is it the same as your 8660?
Are the 'matte' ribbon/paper combo costing more than the glossy
ones? etc..
--The Kodak 8500 can also print matte. The glossy or matte is
determined by the ribbon, not the paper. Its the same with my 8660.
Jim
Fotografer
Canon 1D
Quincy Tran
Canon 1D
Kelley Nelson
Forum Enthusiast
The 8500's Mac drivers are the source of a lot of complaints right now anyway. Spool time is very long. Kodak says they plan on releasing new drivers for the Mac at the end of the year, though.
-k
-k
Many, many thanks. (A HiTi representative did reply to another link
[not mine] that the company was looking at the Mac but hampered by
a lack of programmers.) The Kodak 8500 is a bit beyond my budget.
Thanks again.
Gary Shu
Member
Hi All,
Looking through the forum, I have not noticed any mention of the quasi-matte capability of the HITI printers (but I have noticed people sometimes prefering matte over glossy). So I thought I might inform some people (and hopefully it spreads). The Magic Coating option isn't exactly well described in the documentation, but it allows the users to place images on the overcoat layer. You will only see these images as light imprints on overcoat and only when you view the pictures at an angle. This is, of course, only a novelty function, but what it also allows the printer to do is simulate a matte texture. I can't say that it's totally authentic matte, but to some, it may be good enough. The matte printing, though, is only found in the latest drivers, so be sure to visit http://www.hitouchimaging.com and download them if you REALLY REALLY want to try out the matte. I also need to point out one thing. Because of the lack of use (I can only assume this since we have had absolutely no feedback on this function from users), the priority of supporting the magic coating function is low (this will likely change if more users find this an important function). The matte works fine, but there are a few fixes needed with 'User defined' templates. So now that you know about this neat function, GO! PLAY! And enjoy.
PS - Again, I stress this is merely a novelty function. It attempts to simulate matte, but I am by no means advertising it as authentic matte as it may not be quite there yet. I'll just label it as quasi-matte and all you matte-lovers can decide for yourself whether this function is good enough for you.
--
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
Looking through the forum, I have not noticed any mention of the quasi-matte capability of the HITI printers (but I have noticed people sometimes prefering matte over glossy). So I thought I might inform some people (and hopefully it spreads). The Magic Coating option isn't exactly well described in the documentation, but it allows the users to place images on the overcoat layer. You will only see these images as light imprints on overcoat and only when you view the pictures at an angle. This is, of course, only a novelty function, but what it also allows the printer to do is simulate a matte texture. I can't say that it's totally authentic matte, but to some, it may be good enough. The matte printing, though, is only found in the latest drivers, so be sure to visit http://www.hitouchimaging.com and download them if you REALLY REALLY want to try out the matte. I also need to point out one thing. Because of the lack of use (I can only assume this since we have had absolutely no feedback on this function from users), the priority of supporting the magic coating function is low (this will likely change if more users find this an important function). The matte works fine, but there are a few fixes needed with 'User defined' templates. So now that you know about this neat function, GO! PLAY! And enjoy.
PS - Again, I stress this is merely a novelty function. It attempts to simulate matte, but I am by no means advertising it as authentic matte as it may not be quite there yet. I'll just label it as quasi-matte and all you matte-lovers can decide for yourself whether this function is good enough for you.
--
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
Jim
--I am less informed, much less informed, about dye-sub. The Sony
model you've quoted only prints 4x6, and so far I don't know of
many paper types for it.
The Kodak 8500 is sub $1000 and only accepts glossy stock (their
own), too. But this one at least prints up to 8x10. The even
higher-end model 8600 apparently prints on matte paper as well, but
printer, over $2000 (?) sounds like a lot to me.
If you are only after 4x6, I would recommend HiTi630PL, a new
start-up company, with like $170 for the printer, accepts two types
of papers so far, the UV-protected glossy stock and stickers (in
short supply). The standalone is 630PS, and costs around $230, I
think. Consummables are also reasonable. I am also considering this
baby, if the longevity can be established by real users in this
forum. I can wait, I hope the HiTi printer can as well (!)...
--Thanks, Fotographer! Any suggestions with respect to the Sony
DPP-SV55 or any other? As mentioned, I am only a casual user.
Great forum. Great site! Great fun!
Fotografer
Canon 1D
Oliver Gunn
Member
Any other suggestions/recommendations on a more affordable dye sublimation printer?
'Realize the Power of Digital'
Semper Fidelis
---k
Many, many thanks. (A HiTi representative did reply to another link
[not mine] that the company was looking at the Mac but hampered by
a lack of programmers.) The Kodak 8500 is a bit beyond my budget.
Thanks again.
'Realize the Power of Digital'
Semper Fidelis
Gary Shu
Member
hmmm.... maybe I should have just said watermarks...
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
--PS - Again, I stress this is merely a novelty function. It
attempts to simulate matte, but I am by no means advertising it as
authentic matte as it may not be quite there yet. I'll just label
it as quasi-matte and all you matte-lovers can decide for yourself
whether this function is good enough for you.
--
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
Jim
--I am less informed, much less informed, about dye-sub. The Sony
model you've quoted only prints 4x6, and so far I don't know of
many paper types for it.
The Kodak 8500 is sub $1000 and only accepts glossy stock (their
own), too. But this one at least prints up to 8x10. The even
higher-end model 8600 apparently prints on matte paper as well, but
printer, over $2000 (?) sounds like a lot to me.
If you are only after 4x6, I would recommend HiTi630PL, a new
start-up company, with like $170 for the printer, accepts two types
of papers so far, the UV-protected glossy stock and stickers (in
short supply). The standalone is 630PS, and costs around $230, I
think. Consummables are also reasonable. I am also considering this
baby, if the longevity can be established by real users in this
forum. I can wait, I hope the HiTi printer can as well (!)...
--Thanks, Fotographer! Any suggestions with respect to the Sony
DPP-SV55 or any other? As mentioned, I am only a casual user.
Great forum. Great site! Great fun!
Fotografer
Canon 1D
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
Jason Conner
Forum Enthusiast
Check out the Sony DPP-SV77. It does 4x6 and has a built-in LCD, so you don't need to hook it to a computer. Very handy. Nice if you want to switch from film to digital and make your own prints.
---k
Many, many thanks. (A HiTi representative did reply to another link
[not mine] that the company was looking at the Mac but hampered by
a lack of programmers.) The Kodak 8500 is a bit beyond my budget.
Thanks again.
'Realize the Power of Digital'
Semper Fidelis
Quincy Tran
Member
Hello Rob,
It's good to hear from you since I have this question regarding my HITI printer. I have the 630PS stand-alone version. When I plug it to my PC's USB port and print from my PC, I have to power the printer off and on between every single prints because the printer would not be recognized by the PC and it just switches over to the Stand-alone mode. If I only print one or two pictures then it is OK but it became annoying when I tried to print about 10 pictures at a time. Is it something from the driver? incompatibility with Windows 2000? or the printer itself?
I really appreciate it if you can help me and probably other HiTi users.
Thank you.
Quincy Tran
Quincy Tran
It's good to hear from you since I have this question regarding my HITI printer. I have the 630PS stand-alone version. When I plug it to my PC's USB port and print from my PC, I have to power the printer off and on between every single prints because the printer would not be recognized by the PC and it just switches over to the Stand-alone mode. If I only print one or two pictures then it is OK but it became annoying when I tried to print about 10 pictures at a time. Is it something from the driver? incompatibility with Windows 2000? or the printer itself?
I really appreciate it if you can help me and probably other HiTi users.
Thank you.
Quincy Tran
----PS - Again, I stress this is merely a novelty function. It
attempts to simulate matte, but I am by no means advertising it as
authentic matte as it may not be quite there yet. I'll just label
it as quasi-matte and all you matte-lovers can decide for yourself
whether this function is good enough for you.
--
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
Jim
--I am less informed, much less informed, about dye-sub. The Sony
model you've quoted only prints 4x6, and so far I don't know of
many paper types for it.
The Kodak 8500 is sub $1000 and only accepts glossy stock (their
own), too. But this one at least prints up to 8x10. The even
higher-end model 8600 apparently prints on matte paper as well, but
printer, over $2000 (?) sounds like a lot to me.
If you are only after 4x6, I would recommend HiTi630PL, a new
start-up company, with like $170 for the printer, accepts two types
of papers so far, the UV-protected glossy stock and stickers (in
short supply). The standalone is 630PS, and costs around $230, I
think. Consummables are also reasonable. I am also considering this
baby, if the longevity can be established by real users in this
forum. I can wait, I hope the HiTi printer can as well (!)...
--Thanks, Fotographer! Any suggestions with respect to the Sony
DPP-SV55 or any other? As mentioned, I am only a casual user.
Great forum. Great site! Great fun!
Fotografer
Canon 1D
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
Quincy Tran
Quincy Tran
Member
Thank s Jim, I guess when I purchase the 8500, I will try out the Matte to see how it is.
Quincy Tran
Quincy Tran
Quincy Tran
--Jim
--Quincy Tran
--The matte ribbon costs the same as the glossy, $110.00 per 100 sheets.
Imaging spectrum has alot of good info:
http://www.imagingspectrum.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/8500supplies.html?L+scstore+tsmd8719ff3a823a+1067961532
I only wish the 8500 had been available when I bought my 8660. It
would have saved me $3000. The only advantage to me (an amateur) is
that the 8660 can use 14" ribbon and paper to get full 8x12's or 4
4x6's per sheet. That isn't worth the difference in price.
Jim
--Maybe you can help Harv out here. How much is the consummables of
8500, is it the same as your 8660?
Are the 'matte' ribbon/paper combo costing more than the glossy
ones? etc..
--The Kodak 8500 can also print matte. The glossy or matte is
determined by the ribbon, not the paper. Its the same with my 8660.
Jim
Fotografer
Canon 1D
Quincy Tran
Canon 1D
Quincy Tran
Gary Shu
Member
Hi Quincy,
There are a number of questions answered in the FAQ at http://www.hitouchimaging.com , but some of the information is scattered. We're planning on eventually revamping that section to make it a bit more efficient. In regards to your issue, it sounds like a problem in the USB connection. What's happening is that your printer caches one image off the queue, then prints it, but somehow the USB connection is lost and it cannot continue. There are several things to look for in these cases. First, if you have multiple USB devices running, the signal between the printer and the computer may be too weak and easily lost (This is more a problem when you have a USB hub and less likely with direct connections to the PC). In some cases, we've found that some computers (usually older ones) put out a signal too weak to begin with. In those cases, a USB Hub (w/ a power adaptor and no other devices connected) becomes the solution as it strengthens this weak signal. Another possible problem can be too much multitasking (which is likely not the cause for you since the issue seems to happen constantly and I doubt you're always running too many programs at once). You can also check if you have a VIA VT82C598B chipset or SiS 7001 USB Host Controller. There have been some compatibility issues with those specific chipsets, but no other ones have been reported. You should also make sure you have the lastest drivers for your USB controllers. Make sure you're using the cable that came with the printer as a much longer one would hamper the strength as well. And finally, make sure you have the latest drivers and firmware. Whenever bugs or problems are found, we do our best to fix them and put out updates. (there was one issue with USB timeout that was fixed in the new firmware version 1.35. Check your controller in the Settings-> About section to make sure your firmware is v1.35) If of this helps, then e-mail us at: [email protected] and we can definitely look into your issue further to find the cause of it. Hope this helps.
--
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
There are a number of questions answered in the FAQ at http://www.hitouchimaging.com , but some of the information is scattered. We're planning on eventually revamping that section to make it a bit more efficient. In regards to your issue, it sounds like a problem in the USB connection. What's happening is that your printer caches one image off the queue, then prints it, but somehow the USB connection is lost and it cannot continue. There are several things to look for in these cases. First, if you have multiple USB devices running, the signal between the printer and the computer may be too weak and easily lost (This is more a problem when you have a USB hub and less likely with direct connections to the PC). In some cases, we've found that some computers (usually older ones) put out a signal too weak to begin with. In those cases, a USB Hub (w/ a power adaptor and no other devices connected) becomes the solution as it strengthens this weak signal. Another possible problem can be too much multitasking (which is likely not the cause for you since the issue seems to happen constantly and I doubt you're always running too many programs at once). You can also check if you have a VIA VT82C598B chipset or SiS 7001 USB Host Controller. There have been some compatibility issues with those specific chipsets, but no other ones have been reported. You should also make sure you have the lastest drivers for your USB controllers. Make sure you're using the cable that came with the printer as a much longer one would hamper the strength as well. And finally, make sure you have the latest drivers and firmware. Whenever bugs or problems are found, we do our best to fix them and put out updates. (there was one issue with USB timeout that was fixed in the new firmware version 1.35. Check your controller in the Settings-> About section to make sure your firmware is v1.35) If of this helps, then e-mail us at: [email protected] and we can definitely look into your issue further to find the cause of it. Hope this helps.
--
Robert Sun
Hi-Touch Imaging Technologies, Inc.
http://www.hitouchimaging.com
[email protected]
Hello Rob,
It's good to hear from you since I have this question regarding my
HITI printer. I have the 630PS stand-alone version. When I plug
it to my PC's USB port and print from my PC, I have to power the
printer off and on between every single prints because the printer
would not be recognized by the PC and it just switches over to the
Stand-alone mode. If I only print one or two pictures then it is
OK but it became annoying when I tried to print about 10 pictures
at a time. Is it something from the driver? incompatibility with
Windows 2000? or the printer itself?
I really appreciate it if you can help me and probably other HiTi
users.
Thank you.
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