No reason for ISO 200. I have to admit that looking at the RAF it is really hard for me to tell the difference between ISO 100/200/400, I have to look at the exif to know. Maybe someone with laser eyes will see it, but I can't.
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HS10 RAF conversion sample NR disabled
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I have been trying to figure this out but have had no luck; silkypix doesn't seem to be the greatest when it comes to distortion issues, but who knows?
Jhumroo
Senior Member
Yes Larry. I'm very familiar with batch processing in Photoshop. However, I've never worked with RAW images. And from what I have read, Fuji RAF files are not typically supported on many popular editors.
I've used iPhoto (yes I'm a Mac guy) for many years to catalog and organize my photos and do basic color and level corrections in it. When the photo is something special or if it has some major flaw that cant be fixed in iPhoto, I PP in Photoshop.
Recently I have been contemplating switching over to Aperture. But currently Aperture does not support RAFs from the Fuji S series, so not sure if it will support the HS10.
If SillyPix is easy to use as some have suggested, I may use it, but I am not sure I'll have the time or the patience to convert/edit every image I shoot in RAF. Which is too bad because I am really looking forward to this camera and was hoping it would at least take decent JPGs at the highest quality settings. And that I could switchover to RAF+JPG on the few occasions where I felt it needed that extra quality which can be extracted from RAW.
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I've used iPhoto (yes I'm a Mac guy) for many years to catalog and organize my photos and do basic color and level corrections in it. When the photo is something special or if it has some major flaw that cant be fixed in iPhoto, I PP in Photoshop.
Recently I have been contemplating switching over to Aperture. But currently Aperture does not support RAFs from the Fuji S series, so not sure if it will support the HS10.
If SillyPix is easy to use as some have suggested, I may use it, but I am not sure I'll have the time or the patience to convert/edit every image I shoot in RAF. Which is too bad because I am really looking forward to this camera and was hoping it would at least take decent JPGs at the highest quality settings. And that I could switchover to RAF+JPG on the few occasions where I felt it needed that extra quality which can be extracted from RAW.
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Larry Winters
Senior Member
Hello 2raj:
But many also do what you suggested in using RAW+jpg for those special shots...For me EVERY shot is special and that's why I use RAW exclusively...
I'll bet the majority of people actually spend more time trying to tweak their jpg's after downloading them into their computer than they would through RAW conversion once they learned it...At least I found myself doing that several years ago before I totally switched to RAW...
lw
If you are familiar with batch why would you need to edit every image?...You edit ONE image and the computer does the converting for you...Also Silkypix is not as good as Lightroom or ACR in converting all the detail...Buy yeah Mac and Fuji are like oil and water for RAW/RAF...
But many also do what you suggested in using RAW+jpg for those special shots...For me EVERY shot is special and that's why I use RAW exclusively...
I'll bet the majority of people actually spend more time trying to tweak their jpg's after downloading them into their computer than they would through RAW conversion once they learned it...At least I found myself doing that several years ago before I totally switched to RAW...
lw
Jhumroo
Senior Member
Yeah. But you also need all that extra storage 
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jjlad
Senior Member
I use Lightroom 2.6 and find that all the adjustments that can be used on RAW can also be applied to jpegs. I found with the s100fs the noise levels in the raw files was extreme ..even at ISO 200 and required considerable noise reduction. By the time I got that done the IQ, imho, wasn't so significantly greater than the jpegs as to be worth the overhead of those large files. Consequently I began leaning toward jpegs instead. The s100fs also chews through batteries 2 or 3 times as fast when shooting RAW ...probably due to the power reaquirements of saving those large files. It will be interesting to try the raw/jpeg setting on the HS10. Mine's been on order since February but there are none available here yet. I'm dealing with a local shop that gives me a 10 day trial and I'll give it a good workout during that time.
jj
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Jhumroo
Senior Member
Does SillyPix do batch processing to convert from RAF to JPG?
Also, my point about not having the time to process each image is for situations where the images are not all similar.
And yes, I spend way too much time adjusting my JPGs -- mainly adjusting the WB and levels, occasionally doing some sharpening and on very rare occasions jumping into Photoshop to PP those special images.
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Also, my point about not having the time to process each image is for situations where the images are not all similar.
And yes, I spend way too much time adjusting my JPGs -- mainly adjusting the WB and levels, occasionally doing some sharpening and on very rare occasions jumping into Photoshop to PP those special images.
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Larry Winters
Senior Member
Hello jj:
Nonsense to all of it...
Nonsense to all of it...
Larry Winters
Senior Member
Hello 2raj:
Storage is cheap...Hard drive or flash...Plus I usually delete many of the original RAW files after conversion so the end result is the same as using in cam jpgs...
lw
Storage is cheap...Hard drive or flash...Plus I usually delete many of the original RAW files after conversion so the end result is the same as using in cam jpgs...
lw
Yeah. But you also need all that extra storage
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Larry Winters
Senior Member
Hello 2raj:
I know the paid Silkypix would do batch but I'm not sure about the current SP being shipped with the HS10...
Personally, I enjoy doing the work to achieve the higher quality images but not everyone is that dedicated...Again, it's not really a time argument of where all these extra hours are spent converting...It's only a few minutes...
lw
I know the paid Silkypix would do batch but I'm not sure about the current SP being shipped with the HS10...
Personally, I enjoy doing the work to achieve the higher quality images but not everyone is that dedicated...Again, it's not really a time argument of where all these extra hours are spent converting...It's only a few minutes...
lw
Silkypix does have batch development, although at this time I have not tested its effectiveness. All you really have to do is click the mouse on a few sliders and drag them from one side to the other, it is not difficult by any means.
WIZZARD0003
Senior Member
Here's a link to the Silkypix website...
http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/
Many questions about the differences between their free and paid software, and what it can or can't do, could probably be answerd there...
They also have a user forum...
I'm planning on spending some time finding answers there myself...
W_
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http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/
Many questions about the differences between their free and paid software, and what it can or can't do, could probably be answerd there...
They also have a user forum...
I'm planning on spending some time finding answers there myself...
W_
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The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime there's a 50-50 chance you'll get something right there's a 90% chance you'll get it wrong...
Danielepaolo
Senior Member
Shooting in raw mode I averaged 6 sec between shots when taking 5 shots one after the after. My card is Sandisk Ultra (SDHC) 8GB rated to 15MB/s. I didn't do much better in JPG only.
Danielepaolo
Senior Member
I turned preview off and could take a shot every two seconds when shooting raw only and still only a shoot every 6 seconds when shooting raw.
PAUL TILL
Veteran Member
It looks like you had the camera on centre point average metering so the JPEG would come out under exposed, this would not affect the RAW file.
If you had used Multi point metering it might have looked like the image below. The RAW file does contain more detail (so much for Fuji's excellent JPEG engine) but I think it would be a very slow camera if shot in RAW all the time.
Regards,
Paul.
RAW
JPEG
If you had used Multi point metering it might have looked like the image below. The RAW file does contain more detail (so much for Fuji's excellent JPEG engine) but I think it would be a very slow camera if shot in RAW all the time.
Regards,
Paul.
RAW
JPEG
Thanks for posting. Yes the difference is night and day. Looking at your comparison now we can definitely say that DR, sharpness, color and most importantly, detail is there.
Now we know (and as I have suspected) that much of its sometimes lackluster output is in the JPEG conversion. Now let's hope that this is not a hardware issue and can be rectified with firmware updates.
If you have the time a RAW+JPEG shot of a red subject with wide range of contrast variation would be nice. Something like the fabric in the Imaging Resource Comparator or some red flower shot. Tulips anyone? =)
BTW here is a PP version of your squirrel with some NR and sharpening. Click ORIGINAL for a bigger sample (1200x1600).
Great job!
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Now we know (and as I have suspected) that much of its sometimes lackluster output is in the JPEG conversion. Now let's hope that this is not a hardware issue and can be rectified with firmware updates.
If you have the time a RAW+JPEG shot of a red subject with wide range of contrast variation would be nice. Something like the fabric in the Imaging Resource Comparator or some red flower shot. Tulips anyone? =)
BTW here is a PP version of your squirrel with some NR and sharpening. Click ORIGINAL for a bigger sample (1200x1600).
Great job!
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Bernie37976
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With my S100FS and a 32GB Sandisk Extreme III Card (30MB/s, Class 10) i can
shoot endless RAW with the speed of 1 Pic/sec and with a slow 32GB
Card (Class 4) i can at least shoot the first 4 pictures with the same speed!
I hope the speed of the hs10 in RAW is as good as of the S100fs because
the size of the RAF's is now reduced from 24MB (S100FS) to 15MB (HS10).
Regards
Bernie
shoot endless RAW with the speed of 1 Pic/sec and with a slow 32GB
Card (Class 4) i can at least shoot the first 4 pictures with the same speed!
I hope the speed of the hs10 in RAW is as good as of the S100fs because
the size of the RAF's is now reduced from 24MB (S100FS) to 15MB (HS10).
Regards
Bernie
Danielepaolo
Senior Member
Sorry about any confusion.
I turned preview off and could take a shot every two seconds when shooting JPEG and shoot every 6 seconds when shooting raw. Much slower than in proceeding post.
I turned preview off and could take a shot every two seconds when shooting JPEG and shoot every 6 seconds when shooting raw. Much slower than in proceeding post.
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