HS10 RAF conversion sample NR disabled

Hi, a lurker here, I noticed many people here are wondering about NR/IQ/CA/DR issues of HS10 but no one has posted a RAF conversion with NR disabled. So I am doing just that; I have uploaded a RAF converted using the silkypix converter that comes with the camera to my gallery. The "noise reduction" setting in silkypix, as well as the three "noise canceler" settings, which are at variably high levels by default on HS10 photos, have been set to zero. No further shapening has been done. As far as I have been able to determine, this photo shows the the limit of HS10 detail with silkypix without the use of sharpening. (I have never used silkypix before)

Some reddish CA is present in the RAFs but not Jpegs, this CA can usually be completely eliminated by the false color control in silky pix.

The dynamic range of the RAF files is far beyond that of the jpegs; I was surprised to see so much dynamic range in a small sensor. As a canon SX10 user, I can say authoritatively that HS-10 dynamic range runs circles around SX10.

I hope some of you find this information useful.

This looks great!

So, you disabled the NR on the camera? Is that easily done?
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2raj said:

This looks great!

So, you disabled the NR on the camera? Is that easily done?
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As far as I can tell, NR can only be disabled in RAF files, not jpegs, and not in camera. It was done in silkypix.

100 percent crop, no sharpening.

2raj said:

This looks great!

So, you disabled the NR on the camera? Is that easily done?
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I believe he is saying he has disabled the NR in the RAF file using the SilkyPix software that is included with the camera and also corrected the CA with the same software...

Is that correct Bioseed...?

I must say that that is one of the best images I've seen so far coming from the HS10...

Good job and welcome...!

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Bioseed,

This is very helpful. When you get a chance could you post a RAF conversion of a scene including trees and grass. I have noticed that jpegs from these scenes have smeared the details and I would be interested to see if the RAF shows more details.

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2raj said:

This looks great!

So, you disabled the NR on the camera? Is that easily done?
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Just a Pixelpusher

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I believe he is saying he has disabled the NR in the RAF file using the SilkyPix software that is included with the camera and also corrected the CA with the same software...

Is that correct Bioseed...?

I must say that that is one of the best images I've seen so far coming from the HS10...

Good job and welcome...!

W_
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The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime there's a 50-50 chance you'll get something right there's a 90% chance you'll get it wrong...

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Yes, it can all be done with the software that comes with the camera.

Did you also save the JPEG with the RAF? It so could you post the jpeg as well? It would be interesting to see the differences in the details and DR.

outstanding

good work Bioseed!

... Very nice. Looks like the HS-10 has some good detail which comes out with Raw.

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Hello Bioseed:

It's a pleasure to see that others care about RAF conversion and what it can bring to the table..So thanks for providing it...Although an added jpg would have been nice as well to compare directly...

lw

Bioseed said:

Hi, a lurker here, I noticed many people here are wondering about NR/IQ/CA/DR issues of HS10 but no one has posted a RAF conversion with NR disabled. So I am doing just that; I have uploaded a RAF converted using the silkypix converter that comes with the camera to my gallery. The "noise reduction" setting in silkypix, as well as the three "noise canceler" settings, which are at variably high levels by default on HS10 photos, have been set to zero. No further shapening has been done. As far as I have been able to determine, this photo shows the the limit of HS10 detail with silkypix without the use of sharpening. (I have never used silkypix before)

Some reddish CA is present in the RAFs but not Jpegs, this CA can usually be completely eliminated by the false color control in silky pix.

The dynamic range of the RAF files is far beyond that of the jpegs; I was surprised to see so much dynamic range in a small sensor. As a canon SX10 user, I can say authoritatively that HS-10 dynamic range runs circles around SX10.

I hope some of you find this information useful.

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SHood said:

Bioseed,

This is very helpful. When you get a chance could you post a RAF conversion of a scene including trees and grass. I have noticed that jpegs from these scenes have smeared the details and I would be interested to see if the RAF shows more details.

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Here is a RAF conversion, and the jpeg, from a Raw+jpeg shoot. It should be obvious which is which. The difference in the grass in the shadow of the tree trunk is astounding. RAF is like a whole different camera.

The difference is so big I am now using my HS10 in RAW/RAF only.

Absolutely stellar...!

This makes me very optimistic about my HS10 that's due in friday...

Thanks ever so much for sharing this...

W_
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What's the file-size of the RAF vs. JPG?

I'm thinking if all pics have to be taken as RAF to retain detail then (1) it will need lots of storage space (2) lot of additional time spent in Sillypix and PP to convert to JPG.

How good is the HS10 for normal usage in JPG mode at the highest quality setting?

I don't think I would have the patience to shoot family vacation photos in RAF and PP 100s of pictures after the fact.

Thoughts?
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Thanks for these pictures. The improvement in DR of the RAF was quite telling evening on a small JPEG. I had already planned on working with RAW after seeing another comparision and this solidifies that decision even more. Can't wait for my HS10 to ship.

How is the camera performance when shooting in RAW? Do you have to wait 5 seconds between shots or can you focus and shoot a 2nd RAW image right away?

2raj said:

What's the file-size of the RAF vs. JPG?

I'm thinking if all pics have to be taken as RAF to retain detail then (1) it will need lots of storage space (2) lot of additional time spent in Sillypix and PP to convert to JPG.

How good is the HS10 for normal usage in JPG mode at the highest quality setting?

I don't think I would have the patience to shoot family vacation photos in RAF and PP 100s of pictures after the fact.

Thoughts?
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Just a Pixelpusher

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RAF are 15.1mb consistently, jpeg is 3-5mb variably. RAF files take me only seconds to correct; maybe more if you don't know which setting to change.

The jpeg mode on HS10 is about as good as most newer small sensor superzooms, while RAF blasts the field of competitors away.

SHood said:

Thanks for these pictures. The improvement in DR of the RAF was quite telling evening on a small JPEG. I had already planned on working with RAW after seeing another comparision and this solidifies that decision even more. Can't wait for my HS10 to ship.

How is the camera performance when shooting in RAW? Do you have to wait 5 seconds between shots or can you focus and shoot a 2nd RAW image right away?

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I am using slow speed memory, too slow for the camera, so I cannot answer this question.

Was there any particular reason you chose ISO200 for this shot? I am wondering if DR will be impacted at ISO100 with the BSI sensor.

Hello 2raj:

Have you ever heard of BATCH conversion?..You load/import all the images into the RAW converter...In most cases adjust settings ONE time...Copy/Paste those settings into all of the images and walk away from the computer for whatever time it takes...Point is you're not sitting at the computer doing every single image by hand...Now if you have many images with dramatically different lighting then you might have to alter a couple settings and maybe run 2-3 batches...Still very convenient....

Plus once you find certain settings you like for certain scenes you assign it a profile...Then the next time you need to convert just click on that profile and away you go...You can have unlimited profiles...Seriously, I can turn on my computer, transfer the images, adjust the batch settings and start the conversion all in less than 5 minutes...Go mow the lawn or watch a movie, whatever...Again, the length of time to convert is dictated by the number of images, quality of converter and speed of computer processer...

The time factor comes into play with the quality of the converter...Lightroom will converter each image in 3-4 seconds while silkypics used to take 15-20 seconds when I checked it 2 years ago...All the freeware/sharware converter are very slow in batch...May SP has improved...

Believe me once you get the hang of RAW conversion and you see the improved results, you'll wonder why it took so long to convert your thinking...

Bottom line, there is no setting in jpg that can match what's available in RAW...NONE...The camera throws aways data through in cam jpg conversion and it's gone forever...

lw

2raj said:

What's the file-size of the RAF vs. JPG?

I'm thinking if all pics have to be taken as RAF to retain detail then (1) it will need lots of storage space (2) lot of additional time spent in Sillypix and PP to convert to JPG.

How good is the HS10 for normal usage in JPG mode at the highest quality setting?

I don't think I would have the patience to shoot family vacation photos in RAF and PP 100s of pictures after the fact.

Thoughts?
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Just a Pixelpusher

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Bioseed,

I noticed that part of the RAF image was cut off on all sides compared to the jpeg. Do you know what could have caused this?