Pentax Envy

Most SDM lenses are SDM only so will not auto focus on cameras before the
K100dsuper/k10d....but can be used as manual focus.
Pentax cameras prior to the K10D and K100d Super, don't have the proper electronic interface in the mount that allows an SDM lens to communicate with the camera which is why the in-lens AF system doesn't work on the earlier models.

So far, Pentax has shown a strong commitment to maintaining the usability of legacy lenses on their newest models. So I expect Pentax will continue to have in-body AF motors. But you never know.
 
The grass may seem greener but you'd want to look closely.

Regarding Pentax's most recent camera, the K-x; it was first released with a fairly wide-spread incompatibility to some AA battery types (promptly fixed with a firmware update). Then there is the Shake Reduction system which not only under-performs rival systems from Olympus and Sony, but it also ADDS blur in situations when it's not otherwise needed. There is also the loud and unsophisticated shutter mechanism which can vibrate the floating sensor plate when using at moderate shutter speeds; the "mirror slap" problem some users complain of. Finally, Pentax marketing thought it would be innovative to leave out the focus-point indicators on the K-x viewfinder just as they did on the K-m. Yes, very hip and trendy that is. Like a Japanese automobile without windshield wipers - brilliant! Except that it isn't at all. And let's not forget that the K-x "DA-L" kit lenses are special, cheaper versions of the similar "DA" retail lenses. Not horrible really but be aware of:
  • lens hoods are not included
  • lens mount is plastic instead of metal as on the regular lenses
  • "Quick-Shift" AF clutch not present (particularly an issue with a 55-300mm lens)
  • plastic "Pentax SMC" badges are replaced with foil stickers
  • No distance scales printed on the lens barrels
Four years ago when Pentax's body and lens prices were below those of the competition, one could try to look past the QC issues. More recently Pentax has tried to move their brand-image more upscale with newly designed premium DA* lenses with SDM-drive. Except electrical and mechanical failures of those newer lenses is all-too common and "SDM" is now an inside joke for "Suddenly Doesn't Move". Pentax's short one-year warranty in the USA also doesn't inspire confidence. Pentax users eventually find that their "premium" lenses contain cheap micro-motors instead of sophisticated ring-type motors like the high-end lenses from Canon, Nikon and Olympus. Moreover, Pentax SDM drive isn't any faster than their traditional screw-drive (though SDM is quieter) and the camera firmware doesn't allow reverting to screw-drive when the SDM drive fails - something Pentax users have been crying out for in on-line forums and petitions.

For warranty service, to save money Pentax USA has outsourced repairs to CRIScam.com in Arizona. User reviews of CRIScam are hardly glowing and in the UK the situation is similar. What, one wonders, is Pentax doing? Struggling to play in the big league without adequate resources it seems. I'm all for supporting the underdog and maintaining competition in the marketplace but even an underdog has to be honest and deliver value-for-money first and I'm not sure Pentax is still doing that.

Parent Hoya is demanding that Pentax Imaging generate a profit or else - witness the 30% increase in lens prices over the past 18-months. Hoya is a business, not a charity obviously, and if profitable Pentax Optics is better off without lack-luster camera products to loose money and damage the Pentax brand...well, so be it then.

Olympus - the fourth-largest camera manufacturer in the world - says that they need to get back to net 10% profitability within five years at the latest in order for selling cameras to remain a sound business strategy (Reuters quoting Olympus President Tsuyoshi Kikukawa on March 4, 2010). Maybe, just maybe, with Micro Four Thirds, Olympus can do that. What will smaller Pentax do to be profitable for Hoya - double their lens prices and make their warranties shorter? Will they broaden investment in their Vietnamese assembly plants in an effort to get "Quality Control" back under control? Will $10,000 medium-format cameras in low volume elevate their brand cache enough to allow greater profits (higher prices) on consumer cameras & lenses?

I have to wonder if it's likely that, over the next few years, Pentax's technology, quality and innovation will grow closer to that of their larger competitors - or fall further behind. Your guess is as good as mine but anyone buying into Pentax this late in the the game should do so fully aware of what's happened with the company recently.

I just recently bought a K-7 - primarily for it's small size, weather sealing, and various other features. I have few illusions though about the strength and viability of the DSLR system I've bought into. I also shoot an Olympus E-420.
 
But when I showed him how to switch to jpg + RAW, my goodness, there was a menu choice to switch between the Pentax RAW format and DNG. Why can't all camera maunfacturers do this?
Correct me if I am wrong, but when a new Pentax is released, don't you have to wait for Adobe to support it? If so, how is that different from RAW (except for the *.dng extension)?

Here, for example, Adobe announces support for Pentax K-x:

http://insidelightroom.com.s85301.gridserver.com/?cat=8

It does not say whether this applies to PEF files only, or to PEF and DNG.
 
Wow anything bad :) The older K10 and 20 were not bad cameras, I own both, buying them after I sold my Canon 20D and 5D.I had walked into the local camera store to actually check out the then new 40D, but ended up liking the K20D much better for various reasons.Whats ticking me off is the resale on the Pentax stuff.I'm trying to sell the K10D and grip which is basically still brand new and unused, and I can't even meet my reserve price of 400.00, and thats with a bunch of accessories like a magnifying eyepiece, katzeye screen, extra battery.In contrast I looked at recent closing prices for Canon 30D's, and they are closing at over a hundred more well used!.So I'm not real thrilled with them right now, though I do like the glass I've collected, and bought a couple Rayqual adapters to use them on my new 550D
The grass may seem greener but you'd want to look closely.

Regarding Pentax's most recent camera, the K-x; it was first released with a fairly wide-spread incompatibility to some AA battery types (promptly fixed with a firmware update). Then there is the Shake Reduction system which not only under-performs rival systems from Olympus and Sony, but it also ADDS blur in situations when it's not otherwise needed. There is also the loud and unsophisticated shutter mechanism which can vibrate the floating sensor plate when using at moderate shutter speeds; the "mirror slap" problem some users complain of. Finally, Pentax marketing thought it would be innovative marketing to leave out the focus-point indicators on the K-x viewfinder just as they did on the K-m. Yes, very hip and trendy that is. Like a Japanese automobile without windshield wipers - brilliant! Except that it isn't at all. And let's not forget that the K-x "DA-L" kit lenses are special, cheaper versions of the similar "DA" retail lenses. Not horrible really but be aware of:
  • lens hoods are not included
  • lens mount is plastic instead of metal as on the regular lenses
  • "Quick-Shift" AF clutch not present (particularly an issue with a 55-300mm lens)
  • plastic "Pentax SMC" badges are replaced with foil stickers
  • No distance scales printed on the lens barrels
Four years ago when Pentax's body and lens prices were below those of the competition, one could try to look past the QC issues. More recently Pentax has tried to move their brand-image more upscale with newly designed premium DA* lenses with SDM-drive. Except electrical and mechanical failures of those newer lenses is all-too common and "SDM" is now an inside joke for "Suddenly Doesn't Move". Pentax's short one-year warranty in the USA also doesn't inspire confidence. Pentax users eventually find that their "premium" lenses contain cheap micro-motors instead of sophisticated ring-type motors like the high-end lenses from Canon, Nikon and Olympus. Moreover, Pentax SDM drive isn't any faster than their traditional screw-drive (though SDM is quieter) and the camera firmware doesn't allow reverting to screw-drive when the SDM drive fails - something Pentax users have been crying out for in on-line forums and petitions.

For warranty service, to save money Pentax USA has outsourced repairs to CRIScam.com in Arizona. User reviews of CRIScam are hardly glowing and in the UK the situation is similar. What, one wonders, is Pentax doing? Struggling to play in the big league without adequate resources it seems. I'm all for supporting the underdog and maintaining competition in the marketplace but even an underdog has to be honest and deliver value-for-money first and I'm not sure Pentax is still doing that.

Parent Hoya is demanding that Pentax Imaging generate a profit or else - witness the 30% increase in lens prices over the past 18-months. Hoya is a business, not a charity obviously, and if profitable Pentax Optics is better off without lack-luster camera products to loose money and damage the Pentax brand...well, so be it then.

Olympus - the fourth-largest camera manufacturer in the world - says that they need to get back to net 10% profitability within five years at the latest in order for selling cameras to remain a sound business strategy (Reuters quoting Olympus President Tsuyoshi Kikukawa on March 4, 2010). Maybe, just maybe, with Micro Four Thirds, Olympus can do that. What will smaller Pentax do to be profitable for Hoya - double their lens prices and make their warranties shorter? Will they broaden investment in their Vietnamese assembly plants in an effort to get "Quality Control" back under control? Will $10,000 medium-format cameras in low volume elevate their brand cache enough to allow greater profits (higher prices) on consumer cameras & lenses?

I'm asking myself if it's likely that, over the next few years, Pentax's technology, quality and innovation will grow closer to that of their larger competitors - or fall further behind. Your guess is as good as mine but anyone buying into Pentax this late in the the game should do so fully aware of what's happened with the company recently.

I just recently bought a K-7 - primarily for it's small size, weather sealing, and various features. I have few illusions though about the strength and viability of the system I've bought into.
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While Pentax's in-body IS may be good for only one stop, it is useful for any lens >

Many Pentax people have complained about the focus points issue but in practice it often turns out to be not as big an issue, simply an adjustment. Though for a few users it is a severe limitation.
Yes, I questioned this in the Pentax forum. Most told me I was crazy for that to be a concern and that it's easy to see where it is on the LCD. Well, that doesn't help me when I'm looking through the viewfinder trying to focus on someone's eye with a shallow DOF field lens.
i shoot regularly with FA 50mm F1.4 , 50mm f1.2 55mm 1.8 , 135mm f2.5.
Never bothered by the problem you mentioned on kx.
I really can't believe this camera doesn't have focus points in the VF. Especially since Pentax used to be so oriented towards practical features.

How widespread is the SR malfunction problem?
Mine does not have any SR malfunction/problem.

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The point is this. I use Photoshop CS3. It serves my needs just fine. I have no desire to upgrade to CS4. However, Adobe does not support old versions. So unless I upgrade, I cannot just go to the Adobe website and upgrade my software. So if I buy a new camera, or a student brings me over some RAW files in proprietary format, I cannot load them into ACR.

I do keep Lightroom up to date and do download the latest versions and will upgrade to 3.0 when it is available. However, for browsing, Bridge followed by PS is just a lot more convenient. But to do that I would have to upgrade my copy of CS3 which I don't plan to do.

Using a standard RAW format, like DNG saves all that hassle.
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I find DNG (for Canon, at least) to be a terrible idea, and do not use this format. AFAIK howver, you can download the RAW to DNG converter form Adobe, and convert your newer RAWs to DNG, if you really want to, and then use your CS3. Again, not part of my workflow, I might be wrong. But if I am right :), then the "advantage" of Pentax is to do this conversion in the camera, while with Canon you can do it in batch mode on your computer.
The point is this. I use Photoshop CS3. It serves my needs just fine. I have no desire to upgrade to CS4. However, Adobe does not support old versions. So unless I upgrade, I cannot just go to the Adobe website and upgrade my software. So if I buy a new camera, or a student brings me over some RAW files in proprietary format, I cannot load them into ACR.

I do keep Lightroom up to date and do download the latest versions and will upgrade to 3.0 when it is available. However, for browsing, Bridge followed by PS is just a lot more convenient. But to do that I would have to upgrade my copy of CS3 which I don't plan to do.

Using a standard RAW format, like DNG saves all that hassle.
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While I think Allbrands has overstated a few things, there's enough truth there to sadden the hearts of Pentax fans. And while I count myself as a fan, I'm a realist and not an apologist. Pentax occupies a difficult spot in the camera market. In DSLR, its two models compete against the multitude of offerings from giants Canon and Nikon and the financial resources of Sony, Those same competitors exist in the P&S market as well as a plethora of other bigger names like Samsung and Panasonic. And Pentax doesn't help itself much, go to most any brick and mortar store and it's rare to see any Pentax products let alone clerks who know anything about them.

So yes any suggestion of QC issues hurts Pentax more than they would others. As a comparison, Toyota will eventually recover from its recent problems; a more fringe maker like Mazda might not. It doesn't help that while in general some of the problems are overblown, they are not overblown to those who experience them. For a company the size of Pentax, once the reputation gets sufficiently tarnished it won't matter how good future products are. For a great many people the K-X is a fantastic piece of equipment. As these things go I think it will become a classic, but it won't guarantee the future of Pentax.

And if Pentax disappears it will be a bad thing and sadder if the famous nameplate gets picked up by someone as a front to cheaper imitations. No knock against Canon or Nikon but hate the thought of them being the only choices. Just as Microsoft seemed posed to take over the world I prayed for the survival of Apple, and alternatives like Linux. But then I'm sentimental and nostalgic. Anyone want to buy a Minolta?
 
But then again, are you basing this on your hands on experience with the camera or what has been said. As we all know, especially with entry levels such as the K-X, alot of initial complaints come from those who are new to DSLR's and either expect it to be as simple as a P&S, or expect pro level results from an entry, all be it, "High", entry level camera. Alot of the comments that are made, are made by these individuals and it then becomes a flood of negative press for the camera. I own a K-X and absolutely love it for what I bought it for, low light high ISO pics. To me, I have not seen anything that rivals it and I am still in awe today. Sure it does not have VF focusing points but since I like to control what I am focusing on anyways, I choose center anyways. Guess that is me but I have never really used multi point focusing because of that reason so I don't miss it. I seem to recall that I read somewhere that pro photographers do the same so that they have more focal control. As for IS, yes I notice a difference with it, yes it may be 1-stop, I actually think it is 2-stops, but with the high iso shooting abilities of this camera, that is all you need. As for the sound of the shutter, hmmmm, I dont know, I like it, and actually my wife things it sounds like a real camera and not one of the toys of those DSLR's around us. I have had no problems with mirror slap, battery problems, or anything else that has been reported by others, but again, as I stated above, I think some of the reported problems were due to user error also, oh yes, and a firmware fix for the battery problem.

All in all, is the K-X a perfect camera ? I don't really think a camera that is perfect to everyone really exists today. Is it the best high ISO camera on the market, to me, for the price, without a doubt. Is there room for some improvements ? Sure but there is with all cameras. I came from Canon P&S cameras from many years, the S30, S45, A-80, A-96, S3-IS, and I really wanted to stay with Canon when I moved into the DSLR field, but after much research, and hands on, I chose the K-X and I can not find any fault in my decision what so ever......but that is just me.
 
what he has written is all bull crap. He is wrong on so many fronts that it is not even worth spending time correcting it. If someone is fool enough to believe it, he himself to be blamed.

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