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As a bare minimum this should help lower the prices for the GF1 + 20mm. Availability is April 20th.

http://photorumors.com/2010/03/25/samsung-nx5-specs/

Samsung NX-5 Specs.

NX mount
14MP CMOS sensor
ISO 100-3200
3fps
Built-in flash (GN10)
3″ 230K LCD display
Video HD720p/30fps (H.264)
Audio mono
HDMI/AV/MicroUSB connection
SD slot
Non-built in EVF, same NX10 battery, manual control

Prices:
NX5 + 30mm = $599
NX5 + 18-55mm non-OIS = $549
NX5 + 20-50mm non-OIS = $499 (late 2010)
 
Not bad for Panasonic and Olympus, and us, the consumers.
Keeps P&O alert I think.
SHood said:
As a bare minimum this should help lower the prices for the GF1 + 20mm. Availability is April 20th.

http://photorumors.com/2010/03/25/samsung-nx5-specs/

Samsung NX-5 Specs.

NX mount
14MP CMOS sensor
ISO 100-3200
3fps
Built-in flash (GN10)
3″ 230K LCD display
Video HD720p/30fps (H.264)
Audio mono
HDMI/AV/MicroUSB connection
SD slot
Non-built in EVF, same NX10 battery, manual control

Prices:
NX5 + 30mm = $599
NX5 + 18-55mm non-OIS = $549
NX5 + 20-50mm non-OIS = $499 (late 2010)
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More competition is always good for the consumer, but considering how long it's taken Samsung to launch the NX-10, it may be a while before we see the NX-5. But in any event, other than price, it looks rather "me too'ish." You have to figure a GF-2 is probably well into its development stage.

What is really interesting, as "old" as the GF is, it is still near the top of DP's list. And before anyone says it, yes I know it's all based on clicks, but it still shows that a lot of people are still interested in that camera.

I don't remember, but are there adapters for for other lens makes to be used on the NX line?

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Canon 1Ds MkIII/Panasonic GH-1-LX-3-FZ-50
 
I think the design will make or break it. Olympus and Panasonic, particularly Olympus, has a long-time faithful following and both have some very strong cameras right now. The lens offering must be as good or better too if they want to compete. Not sure how the NX10 is doing, but probably not as well as the G1/2 or GH1. For me, Panasonic has the best m4/3 products right now. Olympus has their loyal fan base that will continue to be brand-loyal and that will keep them afloat. Panasonic has the same passionate following on the video side, and they are bringing that expertise into the DSLR-like market. Its no surprise why they have the ONLY true hybrid in the GH1. As much as people said "i dont care about video", the manufacturers do care and soon enough most everyone will care. Panasonic is already ahead of the curve in that regard. The GF1 and GH1 are really exceptional cameras, and the best part is that these are only first generation!! Once the "GH2" hits with its touchscreen controls and advanced video, I'm ALL OVER IT!
 
Specs look very similar to the GF1, except for the price.

Assuming the performance is similar to the NX10, it will be a tough call (at least until we see a GF2 competitor). The NX's larger sensor measurements will (probably) give it an image-quality edge over m4/3. But m4/3 has the support of two manufacturers and a much, much larger selection of lenses (native and adapted).

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2am_strobist said:
I think the design will make or break it. Olympus and Panasonic, particularly Olympus, has a long-time faithful following and both have some very strong cameras right now. The lens offering must be as good or better too if they want to compete. Not sure how the NX10 is doing, but probably not as well as the G1/2 or GH1. For me, Panasonic has the best m4/3 products right now. Olympus has their loyal fan base that will continue to be brand-loyal and that will keep them afloat. Panasonic has the same passionate following on the video side, and they are bringing that expertise into the DSLR-like market. Its no surprise why they have the ONLY true hybrid in the GH1. As much as people said "i dont care about video", the manufacturers do care and soon enough most everyone will care. Panasonic is already ahead of the curve in that regard. The GF1 and GH1 are really exceptional cameras, and the best part is that these are only first generation!! Once the "GH2" hits with its touchscreen controls and advanced video, I'm ALL OVER IT!
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--In my opinion I think this NX5 combined with the NX10 will make Samsung a key player in the EVIL revolution and likely force Canon, Nikon, Sony intro the fray quicker. This combo will be serious threat especially with the 30/f2 to both m4/3rds compacts and entry DSLRs especially if they can get adapters with good adaptability to existing APS-C lenses and legacy lenses. Maybe Samsungs earlier goals and projections weren't as crazy as most thought at first given the number of new products and lens they are producing in only their first year of EVILs especially if the trend snowballs.

As is the case of the GF1 the compact lens in this case 30/f2 is the key to its success not only because of the small form factor but also because its AF is much faster with that lens compared to kit slow zoom especially in low light conditions.

According to latest Japan camera sales ranking the Pany & Oly m4/3 products now capturing about 15% of the DSLR market. GF1 continues high on the list followed closely by Olys emerging E-PL1 while G1 sales are hold good about equal to E-p2 trailed by GH1 and EP1. Good to see both Oly and Pany doing very well with their offerings and the E-PL1 does seem to be growing the m4/3rds share.

At a starting price of only $600 for NX5 with 30/f2 lens will be very attractive and likely stiffer competition to GF1 as well as E-PL1 because of its price and lens then previously forcing prices down. Many from APS-C crowd will be wowed by its same size larger sensor combined with good high ISO performance. I only wish Samy had retained the high resolution OLED screen from the NX10 or better yet used the swivel design from the recently introduced TL500 my wish.

I also long for what has been predicted for the new GH2 but not it seems that the global electron shutter and corresponding HD high speed sensor may come later but at least likely to be a model in new rangefinder style with a tilting high resolution EVF. I think that Pany should have included the touch screen on their G10 model as Samsung already rumored to be doing for another NX10 model.

What do you think?
 
SF Photo Gal said:
I don't remember, but are there adapters for for other lens makes to be used on the NX line?
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Hi there SFPG-

They do make an adapter for the Pentax K lenses, which has a lot of appeal to me. I use an adapter with my Pentax FA 50/1.4 on my G1 as a manual focus lens. This adapter can only used in M or A mode but the NX10 adapter will allow the camera to control the aperture although you still must use manual focus (no problem for a live view camera with a good EVF).

I don't know how many people are in my situation, but I have a pretty good collection of Pentax glass. So, I'll have a decision to make since I only have three m43 lenses, not including Oly 4/3 glass.

The NX line could turn out to be strong competition to the M43s for no other reason than the large pool of good (and inexpensive) Pentax lenses available.

Regards - John W

Photography is a great hobby, but then so is collecting cameras and I am better at it. :-)
 
You know, I forgot that that the NX10 is APC-sized sensor and not m4/3. Duh! That kind of changes my perspective a bit since you get the the better low-light plus shallower DoF than m4/3. So is the NX5 going to be (allegedly) APC and similar to a GF1 in design? That, combined with the 30mm f2 is going to really stir things up. Canon and Nikon better wake up or they may find themselves relegated to Leica, or even, God forbid, Kodak status! I hear the D40/60 "crowd" are their bread and butter market so it only makes sense that they jump in this small DSRL revolution.

If I was a product developer at Nikon/Canon, I would think to myself, "hey, self, why don't we stick a big-a$$ sensor inside a Coolpix body??". I would think we would've heard rumors by now so it makes me wonder if by the time they get something similar to market, Panasonic, Olympus, and now Samsung will've pulled too far ahead. Canon and Nikon would then have to focus on the semi-pro to pro market ONLY. Hey, it could happen!
 
Except that samsung will try to do a clone, but with slower AF, and bad plastic on the body, I don't even mention the lens

But ok it's good the competition

And the specs don't tell me almost nothing
SHood said:
As a bare minimum this should help lower the prices for the GF1 + 20mm. Availability is April 20th.

http://photorumors.com/2010/03/25/samsung-nx5-specs/

Samsung NX-5 Specs.

NX mount
14MP CMOS sensor
ISO 100-3200
3fps
Built-in flash (GN10)
3″ 230K LCD display
Video HD720p/30fps (H.264)
Audio mono
HDMI/AV/MicroUSB connection
SD slot
Non-built in EVF, same NX10 battery, manual control

Prices:
NX5 + 30mm = $599
NX5 + 18-55mm non-OIS = $549
NX5 + 20-50mm non-OIS = $499 (late 2010)
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Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
 
John Wales said:
They do make an adapter for the Pentax K lenses, which has a lot of appeal to me. [...] the NX10 adapter will allow the camera to control the aperture
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Are you sure about that? I got the impression it would be a "dumb" adapter. Is there a motor in the adapter to control the aperture lever?
John Wales255927 said:
The NX line could turn out to be strong competition to the M43s for no other reason than the large pool of good (and inexpensive) Pentax lenses available.
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People will have to choose between the 1.54x crop factor or (if going with Oly) the sensor IS they have been accustomed to having with Pentax.

I think lower prices and perhaps better distribution may be important factors for the NX' success, if it is successful.
John Wales255927 said:
Photography is a great hobby, but then so is collecting cameras and I am better at it. :-)
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LOL!

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Just my two öre,
Erik from Sweden
 
you consider an inferior product as competition? this has a Leica lens. Samsung's is most likely made from old Kirin bottles.

the sharpness of the Lumix lenses is what separates them from the inferior products including Canon and Nikon similar rigs.
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Ehrik said:
John Wales said:
They do make an adapter for the Pentax K lenses, which has a lot of appeal to me. [...] the NX10 adapter will allow the camera to control the aperture
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Are you sure about that? I got the impression it would be a "dumb" adapter. Is there a motor in the adapter to control the aperture lever?
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Pretty sure. Its no trick to port the aperture control from the GX10/20 (Pentax compatible) to the NX10. This is not true for the AF since the AF motor is in the body and not the lens.
Ehrik said:
Ehrik said:
The NX line could turn out to be strong competition to the M43s for no other reason than the large pool of good (and inexpensive) Pentax lenses available.
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People will have to choose between the 1.54x crop factor or (if going with Oly) the sensor IS they have been accustomed to having with Pentax.
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You hit the nail on the head. Thats why I'm hoping that the upcoming Oly announcement will be a G1 competitor. I use a couple of Oly 4/3 lenses (25mm pancake and 14-54 Mk II) on my G1 so I don't need IBIS but it sure is nice to have.
Ehrik said:
I think lower prices and perhaps better distribution may be important factors for the NX' success, if it is successful.
Ehrik said:
Photography is a great hobby, but then so is collecting cameras and I am better at it. :-)
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Regards - John W

P.S. Sweden is a beautiful country. I haven't been there since 1960 but I enjoyed every minute. I used to take the ferry from Copenhagen to Malmo to start my adventures. I hear there is now a bridge and there is no longer a ferry. I'm not sure thats progress!
 
lckt13 said:
you consider an inferior product as competition? this has a Leica lens. Samsung's is most likely made from old Kirin bottles.

the sharpness of the Lumix lenses is what separates them from the inferior products including Canon and Nikon similar rigs.
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great cook, love to travel and shoot images, surfer, sailer and Lifeguard
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Here is the performance of "old Kirin bottle"... NOTE: on an APS-C camera.
http://lenstip.com/224.1-Lens_review-Samsung_NX_30_mm_f_2.0.html
 
John Wales said:
The NX line could turn out to be strong competition to the M43s for no other reason than the large pool of good (and inexpensive) Pentax lenses available.
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Maybe for people who don't think it through ir try it out first.

The Pentax lenses are much larger, mostly, than the Panasonic ones. They won't auto-focus.

They might give NX users a decent lens or two more than the ones samsung will supply, but it still will be a larger system, when the fashion is to down-size.

Samsung did not make the GX series of Pentax clones, so they might have quite a time "porting" the aperture control for pentax lenses. I can see no reason why they would do that, but you may certainly say "I told you so!" when they do.

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Trevor G

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klopus said:
Aleo Veuliah said:
Except that samsung will try to do a clone, but with slower AF, and bad plastic on the body, I don't even mention the lens
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How can you be so sure?
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  • I saw the videos of the Nx 10 doing AF, they are slow, and samsung can be good but it will take some time to match the others, in between the others (more experienced brands on photography will continue to improve)
klopus said:
klopus said:
And the specs don't tell me almost nothing
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Especially after this your own statement. Ah, the perils of fanboyism :)
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  • You are wrong, I have used many SLR cameras and others, including pros, and from many brands to be a fanboy, what I mean is the specs don't say all, real life experience does
klopus said:
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Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
 
Aleo Veuliah said:
  • You are wrong, I have used many SLR cameras and others, including pros, and from many brands to be a fanboy, what I mean is the specs don't say all, real life experience does
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As tameside's recent experience with the NX10 shows ...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1001&message=34709330

Someone who (over)enthusiastically supported a camera based on its specs, but was let down by the product when he got it (and had the honesty and courage to admit it).
 
John Wales said:
Ehrik said:
John Wales said:
They do make an adapter for the Pentax K lenses, which has a lot of appeal to me. [...] the NX10 adapter will allow the camera to control the aperture
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Are you sure about that? I got the impression it would be a "dumb" adapter. Is there a motor in the adapter to control the aperture lever?
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Pretty sure. Its no trick to port the aperture control from the GX10/20 (Pentax compatible) to the NX10. This is not true for the AF since the AF motor is in the body and not the lens.
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Isn't the aperture motor also in the body? Isn't the aperture controlled by the position of a pin that mates between the lens and body? Do the new SDM lenses have electronic aperture?

Needing less speed and power than an AF motor, an aperture motor would probably be easier to put in the adapter at least.
John Wales255927 said:
You hit the nail on the head. Thats why I'm hoping that the upcoming Oly announcement will be a G1 competitor.
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Yeah, it's the main thing missing from the G1 (to tick my boxes), more than video in my opinion. So an "Oly G1" would get my attention.
John Wales255927 said:
P.S. Sweden is a beautiful country. I haven't been there since 1960 but I enjoyed every minute. I used to take the ferry from Copenhagen to Malmo to start my adventures. I hear there is now a bridge and there is no longer a ferry. I'm not sure thats progress!
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There was a lot of debate around building that bridge. Stimulating traffic is against the CO2-emission targets. So as a compromise there's a high fee to use the bridge, so people won't use it too much. :-) Malmö itself has changed a lot since you were there, again, not for the better IMO.

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Erik from Sweden
 
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