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The Fuji Tulip 720mm Sample Image

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Neddick said:
Great presentation--thought out, well documented, convincing in it's argumentation. We need more posts like this. Anyone can shoot off the hip.
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Thank you Neddick.

These 720mm tulip images don't leave much room for argumentaion.

They are amazing.
 
I don't like to be negative since I really want to see the best in this camera (considering an upgrade for an FZ30), but the obvious thing to me is that they chose to zoom in on a low contrast poprtion of the view, thus less prone to CA/PF. Why not include the windmill or the white fence? I think the camera's a great achievement and if I didn't already have a pretty good bridge camera I'd jump at it. It's early days to make any conclusions, but it does look like there's far too much NR on these early shots.
 
Hello,

I am a Pole, so I can help to shed some light on these HS-10 samples from the optyczne.pl site. According to the reviewer, these were very quick & dirty shots that they had a chance to take, thanks to the Fuji Poland. As you can all see, the weather over there is nowhere Hawaii at this time of the year, nor the light is anywhere good (I would even say it is hardly adequate).

So I would say it is hardly a fair comparison to compare some more or less random shots one had a chance to take on a bad weather day in the city, with the ones hand-picked from someone else's photo library, and claim that one's camera performs better in general.

It may turn out to be true after all, but wait a while, it is still too soon to make a full judgement based on what we have seen to date.

From what I see, up to ISO 800 there's nothing wrong with these pictures. They are not razor-sharp, agree, but reasonable.

As I expected, at this price point it will not be an instant classic, but seems to be the very reasonable compromise(s) all around.

Regards,
 
:) excellent point :)

Maybe people eventually stop complaining about optics quality/fringing etc, given the miniaturization and convenience they are getting from the ultrazooms these days!
  • the sensor HAS TO BE smaller, if the super/ultrazoom lens size is to remain anywhere COMPACT
  • there HAS TO BE some optical compromise in such a small lenses
  • there is NO POINT increasing sensor resolution, if the glass is already compromised and unable to resolve all the small details.
Howgh.
 
Well S100FS is still a compact camera and the sensor is not that small.

No ideea who will be able to shoot at 600-700mm equivalent with ISO 100 hand-held.

In s100FS lens the only problem was the PF so it was not so much compromise there.
As for the real sensor resolution we should wait to see some tests.

For example S6500fd have a real resolution that is better that some 8 MP cameras.
 
I've been looking at upgrading my camera from a Sony H2 and the HS10 has been the most likely one to get my money so I've been reading all the threads with interest.

One thing I'm not too sure of with regard to the pics on the Fuji site. On page 1 of their site it says:- * Sample photos are simulated images.

Granted the exif data would suggest otherwise but what if they were.......?

Then again, what's said on page 1 might be irrelevant to page 2 so I'm just wasting my time posting it!!

Anyway, keep up the good discussion
 
I think you will be better with a S100FS.You can still find at decent prices (around and less than 600$).Sometimes you can have PF problems.
 
...HS-10 is cheaper, smaller and has much more zoom range than s100fs has. I didn't expect miracles. And f100fs is a big & heavy hog of a camera, that I must stretch my good will to still call it a compact (like DPR "just" recommended ;)).

It would be fantastic to have HS-10 EXR, for that matter, to have a choice - and maybe I would prefer that over the fancy functionalities that BSI CMOS enables, quite possible - as long as they manage to pack 1080p/i video in.

"who will be able to shoot ISO 100 handheld at max zoom" - who cares? Maybe I will be able to shoot same at ISO 200, or 400, or 800 for that matter - it is still better than no shoot at all. And maybe you'll be able to shoot at ISO 100 in the good sunlight as well? I remember the same whinings over Panasonic 12x lenses the times FZ-20/30 were released - yet I am happily using it handheld all the time when shooting me birds.

Regs
 
mihaitzateo said:
In s100FS lens the only problem was the PF so it was not so much compromise there.
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Wouldn't say so. It was also less sharp throughout the entire frame than Panasonic FZ-30/50, while being noticeably bigger, heavier & pricier at the same time (obviously it was better than anything we have yet seen from HS-10 random "samples" around the globe - but it is again bigger, heavier, nearly twice as expensive and less zoomy).

More important to me is the question how fast & accurate AF will be on that full zoom? I hope it will not hunt like the Oly 570UZ, which render it's zoom totally useless for me.

For me, if the camera can make A4 prints (and HS-10 seems to be able to do so even in ISO 800 - easily, maybe ISO 1600 as well) - that would be good enough. I don't print bigger, and while it would be nice to be able to crop more (as I do with my Panas FZ30 birdies), the extra zoom reach compensates for this easilly, and acceptable ISO 800 & sometimes 1600 would be a really welcome upgrade to me.

But the overall speed & handling will be crucial to made my mind.

At that price point, controls, features - what you guys were expecting? Nikon D3?
 
Not sure why you think it is not possible. It's entirely possible with proper holding technique and good lighting. I used to shoot with shutter speed as low as 1/60 at max zoom when using my panasonic FZ30 together with a Tcon-17.
 
Well FZ30 have 420mm equivalent maximum which is quite far from 600-700mm equivalent.
You will need very good light to be able to shoot at a speed faster than 1/600.

What I think it will be the big selling point for HS10 is the capacity to film HD with good image quality and a lot of zoom.

Since the sensor is good also in low light I think the films in low light will be good also.

Is true for 500$-600$ is a bargain to have such a camcorder that produces so decent films.For filming events HS10 is a very good option as a camcorder,for digital photography is just a medium option.
I will not be amazed at all if this camera will make huge sales for Fuji.

(you can zoom with this camera while filming,so I do not see too much difference from a camcorder.And I saw the movie quality and it seems very good.All you need is a big SDHC memory,and considering you can find SDHC up to 32 GB HS10 is indeed a very good option for people who want a cheap camcorder with good image quality.)
 
;) that would be pretty consistent with my own findings. I was just about to write I was able (obviously not 100% success rate) to shot with FZ-30 at max zoom (420mm equiv) handheld, with shutter as low as 1/30sec, whereas 1/100sec was yielding close to 100% rate of sharp images at 420mm, thanks to the very effective stabilization.

So I think 1/200 to be quite possible for that (stabilized) Fuji zoom to yield good (if not 100%) hit rate. This shouldn't be that challenging for our good ol' sun to provide enough light for this kind of exposure times.

And we are talking ISO 100 here - I will be perfectly happy to shoot even ISO 400 with noise levels shown on existing samples. In a daylight, even ISO 1600 samples weren't looking dramatically flawed from what I've seen to date.

Regards,
 
Are you referring to the Pigeon video? That was very poor.

Any other video samples out there?
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Just a Pixelpusher
 
The video with the pigeon is fine but you need some beast processor to see the movie at a decent frame-rate. With Intel E4400 dual core at 2 GHZ the movie is barely working.
 
HDMI all the way!

I believe that "barely working" video is not a PC processor issue at this level; more likely a graphics card issue. I upgraded my graphics card to a very fast 2010 model that is HDMI interfaced all the way to my 52" digital TV at 1080i. Now, everything has become superior to view, both video and stills.

Now I can really see! Now I can really edit!

Bill
 
no, it is certainly not HDMI issue, nor graphic card. You need a fast processor to decode full HD content. OR, a compatible graphic card AND specific codec, that will offload decoding tasks to the graphic card (ie NVidia CUDA-enabled cards). But it still doesn't work for all codecs, nor all graphic cards, so I mention this to be correct.

In general - you need a fast processor for HD content to be played smoothly in all cases. You don't need HDMI at all (my full HD TV has both VGA & HDMI inputs).
 
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