Moonshot help--is Liquidstone around?

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Below is one of the best photos I've taken of the moon. I used a Canon 7D, Canon 400 mm f/5.6 with Kenko 1.4X, wide open, ISO 400, 1/100 sec, camera mounted on Gitzo tripod, using live view for focusing and shooting and a remote shutter controller. It's not bad, but it doesn't come close to the one Liquidstone posted a couple weeks ago. How can I do better with the same glass?

FF

 
Below is one of the best photos I've taken of the moon. I used a Canon 7D, Canon 400 mm f/5.6 with Kenko 1.4X, wide open, ISO 400, 1/100 sec, camera mounted on Gitzo tripod, using live view for focusing and shooting and a remote shutter controller. It's not bad, but it doesn't come close to the one Liquidstone posted a couple weeks ago. How can I do better with the same glass?
Stop the lens down at least one stop, turn shutter speed down to 1/25, decrease ISO to 200. I'll assume you are using the tripod collar for that lens and you have it balanced on the tripod head. Depending upon how sturdy your tripod is, you may want to retract the legs so the camera is only a little off the ground. It makes it more difficult to focus but vibrations will damp out more quickly.

Finally, shoot when the moon is nearly overhead so you are shooting through less atmosphere. Shoot RAW, keep Lighting optimizer and highlight tone priority off, and PP for best result.

P.S. - You don't have a filter on that lens I hope!
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Mike Mullen
 
Thanks. No filter!

Interesting that you say go to 1/25; I was wondering if 1/200 wasn't too slow.

Of course, you can't get the crescent moon directly overhead except in daylight, but I'll try it with a half moon or so.

FF
 
Many things are involved shooting photos of the moon. The atmospheric conditions - position of the moon - angle and amount of the light reflected from the moon ect. In your photo a smaller aperture - Perhaps ISO 200 would have helped. It can be improved by lowering the contrast some - darken a bit - sharpen a touch in PP. Looks like Liquidstone has very good atmospheric conditions where he is located plus he has much experiance shooting the moon. He's good for sure. Ansonn
 
Liquidstone was also shooting at 1600mm with a 400 f2.8 lens... The glass and focal length also matter. You were basically shooting at 640mm focal length.

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Jay S.
Fuji 7000 / Canon 20D / Canon 40D / Canon 7D
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Liquidstone was also shooting at 1600mm with a 400 f2.8 lens... The glass and focal length also matter. You were basically shooting at 640mm focal length.

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Jay S.
Fuji 7000 / Canon 20D / Canon 40D / Canon 7D
http://jaysott.smugmug.com
Jay is correct. This is the best I could do with my 300 and two 1/4 converters. 588mm. Quite heavily cropped and I just gave up last year. I just ordered two 2X converters which will put me at 1200. I'll see what I can come up with.



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Thanks. Wow, two stacked 2X TCs and still great IQ. I wouldn't have expected that....Maybe I should see what I can do with one 2X.

FF
 
Well I just got my two 2X converters. When the conditions are right I'll give it a go.
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Below is one of the best photos I've taken of the moon. I used a Canon 7D, Canon 400 mm f/5.6 with Kenko 1.4X, wide open, ISO 400, 1/100 sec, camera mounted on Gitzo tripod, using live view for focusing and shooting and a remote shutter controller. It's not bad, but it doesn't come close to the one Liquidstone posted a couple weeks ago. How can I do better with the same glass?
Try it stopped down by 2/3 to 1 stop from wide open. Use a lower ISO (100 or 200) so you can sharpen up without too much artifacting, 1/25 sec is fast enough to freeze the moon even at 1600 mm. Do some exposure test shots first, once you get your desired exposure settings, do many individually focused shots. It's easy to choose the sharpest captures - just look at the file sizes and the one with the largest size is the most detailed, exposure parameters being the same.

Most importantly, shoot when the seeing conditions are very clear.

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Romy



PHILIPPINE WILD BIRDS
Photo Gallery - http://www.pbase.com/liquidstone
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(Over 260 species captured in habitat, and counting.)
 
Below is one of the best photos I've taken of the moon. I used a Canon 7D, Canon 400 mm f/5.6 with Kenko 1.4X, wide open, ISO 400, 1/100 sec, camera mounted on Gitzo tripod, using live view for focusing and shooting and a remote shutter controller. It's not bad, but it doesn't come close to the one Liquidstone posted a couple weeks ago. How can I do better with the same glass?
Try it stopped down by 2/3 to 1 stop from wide open. Use a lower ISO (100 or 200) so you can sharpen up without too much artifacting, 1/25 sec is fast enough to freeze the moon even at 1600 mm. Do some exposure test shots first, once you get your desired exposure settings, do many individually focused shots. It's easy to choose the sharpest captures - just look at the file sizes and the one with the largest size is the most detailed, exposure parameters being the same.

Most importantly, shoot when the seeing conditions are very clear.

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Romy



PHILIPPINE WILD BIRDS
Photo Gallery - http://www.pbase.com/liquidstone
HD Bird Videos - http://exposureroom.com/members/RomyOcon.aspx/videos/

(Over 260 species captured in habitat, and counting.)
Thanks for the tips.

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Here is one at F8 1/1250 sec, ISO 320 7d 100-400F4.5L

 
Well this is is a street lamp from inside my house, with a UV filter on and through 3 panes of window glass. Too cold out there tonight for this.

I may be able to pull something off when the moon is larger in the frame. I'll take the UV off for the real deal.

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Crop. There is a little detail in there. The 400 2.8 is rated at 10 out of 10 for IQ at SLRgrear.com and the 300 F4 at 9.88. At those magnifications IQ difference is probably quite significant between 10 and 9.88 I would imagine. We'll see. I'm not expecting a Liquidstone shot but if I can't get something half decent I'll just have to buy another lens :)



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Interesting that you say go to 1/25; I was wondering if 1/200 wasn't too slow.
Nope, 1/25th isn't too slow. I just took this one tonight using 1/15 second and my 70-200 F2.8 IS II zoom:





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Mike Mullen
 
My take on the subject, the first evening when I received the lens - 7D + 70-200 f/2.8 @ 200mm, f/5.6, 1/100sec, ISO100, Manual mode.

The moon is a surprisingly lit night object, so no need to keep lens wide open. Better set to the lens' sharpest aperture.

Evidently, without TC the moon's FOV is quite small but yet, image came out pretty detailed. The two most important tips in moon photography would be to shoot when skies are absolutely clear (even faint clouds will smear your details) and to shoot when moon is in half phase, so craters and mountain shadows are most apparent.



 
My take on the subject, the first evening when I received the lens - 7D + 70-200 f/2.8 @ 200mm, f/5.6, 1/100sec, ISO100, Manual mode.

The moon is a surprisingly lit night object, so no need to keep lens wide open. Better set to the lens' sharpest aperture.

Evidently, without TC the moon's FOV is quite small but yet, image came out pretty detailed. The two most important tips in moon photography would be to shoot when skies are absolutely clear (even faint clouds will smear your details) and to shoot when moon is in half phase, so craters and mountain shadows are most apparent.



I have read that full moon was not the best time so I was planning to wait until a half moon. I noticed on your recent moon shot you were at F16. I wrote those settings down and was going to try them.

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Zee Char,

Technically, there is no half moon (although a lot of folks call it that).. Starts with

New Moon - night when moon isn't viewable
Waxing crescent - when moon is getting larger between New and First Quarter

First quarter moon - a quarter of the way into the cycle (what folks call half moon)
Waxing Gibbous - moon grows from First quarter to Full
Full Moon - The one night (or day actually) when moon is officially full

Waning Gibbous - moon reduces from Full toward Last Quarter (Shadowy side is now opposite the Waxing part of the cycle)

Last Quarter - 3/4 the way through the lunar cycle (also called half moon by some)
Waning crescent(s) - when moon is reducing from last quarter to New
Back to New Moon.

That today's Astronomy lesson boys and girls ... :-)

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Jay S.
Fuji 7000 / Canon 20D / Canon 40D / Canon 7D
http://jaysott.smugmug.com
 
My prime lens is a 400 mm f/5.6, so AF won't work with any extenders. But with live view X 10, I'm hoping I can do fine manually. I'm amazed that two 2X extenders didn't degrade your IQ. I didn't stop down because my lens is as sharp wide open as stopped down, but with an extender, that might not be true, so I'll try it.

Something for me to work on, thanks again.

FF
 
I have read that full moon was not the best time so I was planning to wait until a half moon. I noticed on your recent moon shot you were at F16. I wrote those settings down and was going to try them.
The full moon looks flat b/c the sun casts no shadows then (high noon on the moon...). When in the 1st or 3rd quarters, shadows at the day-night boundary are maximized, hence most detailed.

BTW, my setting is F/5.6, not F/16. F/16 will be too small and cause diffraction artifacts.
 

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