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The latest Nikon rumors
By [NR] admin | March 18, 2010
  • A European Nikon reseller sent out a notification that the Nikon 85mm f/1.8D AF lens is taken out of Nikon’s catalog. The lens is currently available in all major US stores.
  • Another report from a store in Norway – they cannot order Nikon D700 from Nikon Norway any longer.
  • The new Nikon 24mm f/1.4 lens is shipping in the Middle East (source). It should be available in the US next week.
  • DigitalRev thinks that the next Nikon DSLR will have between 8MP and 10MP. I give 0.01% probability to this rumor:
“…but the latest information indicates a resolution significantly lower than the 16 to 18 megapixels range we predicted or even the 12 megapixels of the current models. Apparently in a move away from the expected, Nikon will be releasing a sensor with super high IQ and Dynamic Range but with a resolution between 8 to 10 megapixels. Completely sacrificing the higher megapixels expectations of some of the Nikon users, the new bodies with this sensor will be able to deliver unmatched results.”
  • Vincent Versace labeled one of his pictures on flickr as “This image was captured with a Nikon D-3 camera with a 70-300mm VR Nanocoated lens”. The rest of the pictures have the same comment but without “Nanocoated”. The current 70-300mm lens is not nanocoated. Could be a typo.
  • Nikon D90’s “out of stock” date in Best Buy is listed as September 7th, 2010. The Nikon D700’s out of stock date is August 3rd, 2010 – exactly two years since they got them in stock. Not clear if this is a standard procedure in Best Buy or they know when they will stop getting those models from Nikon:
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Diverroy
 
.."Nikon will be releasing a sensor with super high IQ and Dynamic Range but with a resolution between 8 to 10 megapixels. Completely sacrificing the higher megapixels expectations of some of the Nikon users, the new bodies with this sensor will be able to deliver unmatched results.”

Shame, they could have called it a Fuji S5..but since Fuji are showing no will to introduce a replacement may be Nikon will steal their thunder?

May be it is a Fuji sensor (EXR)? Would make sense now not selling the body to Fuji but buying the sensors from them instead?

I would be a bit surprised if it was as low as 8-10mp though....
 
If Nikon begins to order sensors from Fuji (which would be great for photography),

they will dump the video improvement for ever, because they'll breach their partnership with sony.
Or maybe play in the 2 camps ?...
 
diverroy said:
  • Nikon D90’s “out of stock” date in Best Buy is listed as September 7th, 2010. The Nikon D700’s out of stock date is August 3rd, 2010 – exactly two years since they got them in stock. Not clear if this is a standard procedure in Best Buy or they know when they will stop getting those models from Nikon:
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Diverroy
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I know someone who worked at that store.

Their "stock" information is the absolute last place I would look for clues to something being available or not available.
 
diverroy said:
  • DigitalRev thinks that the next Nikon DSLR will have between 8MP and 10MP. I give 0.01% probability to this rumor:
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That could be nice if the array is non-bayer (think Sigma) and layed out like the Fujis :) Right....

-C
 
8-10 megapixels only makes sense if Nikon is introducing a new Non_Bayer type of sensor. If so, it better have really low noise and far better DR + faithful colors for it to be acceptable for current Nikon users. Nikon filed a patent for a non-bayer sensor design some time ago. Could this be the one?
Surely, it will be a "surprise" if they do this.
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joeyv
 
Would make even more sense if it was targeted for the EVIL versions of a 4/3's SLR? 8-10 px with high imgage quality and low light capability would make a nice system.
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Conrad
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Agreed -- had better and exclusive info in the past, but I think he's just throwing garbage out there now because there's nothing else to talk about. I bet there's a stack of non-movie D700x's gathering dust in a warehouse somewhere because Nikon marketing doesn't know if they ever want to release them.

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http://www.bythom.com/oldnews.htm

Quote from Thom's web site archive, 2007:

"So what is the next market disruption going to be for DSLRs? Most likely the move beyond Bayer. This allows for dropping the anti-aliasing filter, amongst other things. [Several emailers questioned that remark. I'll stand by it.] Done right, a post-Bayer DSLR could up the image quality ante a substantial amount if noise can be held under control and dynamic range not compromised (the Nikon approach is promising in this respect, the Foveon approach not so much; but the Nikon approach is currently unmanufacturable). I don't think we'll see that disruption next year, or even in 2009. Post-Bayer (other than Sigma's Foveon-based cameras) feels more like a 2010+ introduction to me."

=> I have to say he makes pretty good predictions overall.
Any thoughts?
If it is true and Nikon does not market it correctly,
they may be shooting themselves in the foot...

(Origin of nikon rumors post:

http://www.digitalrev.com/en/less-megapixels-and-not-more-for-the-nikon-d750-and-nikon-d400-5447-article.html )
 
Optimus47 said:
http://www.bythom.com/oldnews.htm

Quote from Thom's web site archive, 2007:

"So what is the next market disruption going to be for DSLRs? Most likely the move beyond Bayer. This allows for dropping the anti-aliasing filter, amongst other things. [Several emailers questioned that remark. I'll stand by it.] Done right, a post-Bayer DSLR could up the image quality ante a substantial amount if noise can be held under control and dynamic range not compromised (the Nikon approach is promising in this respect, the Foveon approach not so much; but the Nikon approach is currently unmanufacturable). I don't think we'll see that disruption next year, or even in 2009. Post-Bayer (other than Sigma's Foveon-based cameras) feels more like a 2010+ introduction to me."

=> I have to say he makes pretty good predictions overall.
Any thoughts?
If it is true and Nikon does not market it correctly,
they may be shooting themselves in the foot...

(Origin of nikon rumors post:

http://www.digitalrev.com/en/less-megapixels-and-not-more-for-the-nikon-d750-and-nikon-d400-5447-article.html )
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OK now how does the post Bayer DSLR chip differ from the Leica M8, which dropped its AA filter (and then had to pick up UVIR filters on the front of the lens?

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'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'
 
Nikonparrothead said:
Optimus47 said:
http://www.bythom.com/oldnews.htm

Quote from Thom's web site archive, 2007:

"So what is the next market disruption going to be for DSLRs? Most likely the move beyond Bayer. This allows for dropping the anti-aliasing filter, amongst other things. [Several emailers questioned that remark. I'll stand by it.] Done right, a post-Bayer DSLR could up the image quality ante a substantial amount if noise can be held under control and dynamic range not compromised (the Nikon approach is promising in this respect, the Foveon approach not so much; but the Nikon approach is currently unmanufacturable). I don't think we'll see that disruption next year, or even in 2009. Post-Bayer (other than Sigma's Foveon-based cameras) feels more like a 2010+ introduction to me."

=> I have to say he makes pretty good predictions overall.
Any thoughts?
If it is true and Nikon does not market it correctly,
they may be shooting themselves in the foot...

(Origin of nikon rumors post:

http://www.digitalrev.com/en/less-megapixels-and-not-more-for-the-nikon-d750-and-nikon-d400-5447-article.html )
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OK now how does the post Bayer DSLR chip differ from the Leica M8, which dropped its AA filter (and then had to pick up UVIR filters on the front of the lens?

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'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'
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=> Good question. I hope some engineers or techno-minded persons can chime in
on this subject.

My vague understanding from reading Thom's comment in Luminous Landscapes
is that the M9 still has the Bayer Filter, but no AA filter.
He is advocating that Leica should drop the Bayer Filter.
( http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/hogan-leica.shtml )

I've heard that Post Bayer DSLR's should be sharper and have higher dynamic
range; however, it would be great if someone could explain in layman's terms,
how...
 
Optimus47 said:
Nikonparrothead said:
OK now how does the post Bayer DSLR chip differ from the Leica M8, which dropped its AA filter (and then had to pick up UVIR filters on the front of the lens?
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My vague understanding from reading Thom's comment in Luminous Landscapes
is that the M9 still has the Bayer Filter, but no AA filter.
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correct. Bayer uses a patterned color filter that requires interpolating multiple nearby pixels to generate a color. post-Bayer solutions are generally implied to generate a color reading from individual pixels. check out Foveon for a reference example.

one would expect that any significantly new design approach would come paired with manufacturing complexities that would lower MP densities for a short time.

...dav
 
If Nikon comes out with an 8-10 MP non-bayer RGB sensor I would be all over it. That would not even be a step back in effective resolution compared to my D700, I think. It would be a nice surprise.
 
heedens said:
If Nikon comes out with an 8-10 MP non-bayer RGB sensor I would be all over it. That would not even be a step back in effective resolution compared to my D700, I think. It would be a nice surprise.
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Marketting wise they will have to use the '24-30mp" equivalent to stand a chance.

-C
 
cluna said:
heedens said:
If Nikon comes out with an 8-10 MP non-bayer RGB sensor I would be all over it. That would not even be a step back in effective resolution compared to my D700, I think. It would be a nice surprise.
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Marketting wise they will have to use the '24-30mp" equivalent to stand a chance.

-C
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Agreed. They definitely need to show side by side comparisons that shout that equivalency...

Unfortunately, Nikon hasn't done a great job of convincing the general public (via its marketing) in regards to why 12 mega-pixels should be enough for the average photographer. So I'm not sure they would do so well, in such a case, for a Post Bayer DSLR.

Fortunately, their technology on High ISO's has been so impressive, that it became difficult for many photographers to ignore.

If the "Post Bayer" camera can achieve film-like levels of Dynamic Range (maybe 12 stops, compared to 9 or 10...), could this be another game changer?
 
Interesting hope Nikon will follow more than one course of approach in their future:-

a) Introduce Nikon Evil M/3 (New Mount) but with adapter for F Mount and several lenses on launch

b) Nikon Lower Entry D3000/D5000 & D90 using Sony Designated sensors like A550 14mp Sensor

c) D400 using 3 Layer Bayer Sensor Design conservative increase in MP (14-16mp) - same sensor as D4, 1080p video - extremely low high & high DR.

d) D700x/D800 using redesigned/tweaked D3x sensor 720p video

e) D700s using same sensor as D3s sensor 720p video

f) D4 using sensor as mentioned in c) but with high speed fps + processing engine - 1080p video

g) D4x using high-res designed 3 layer Bayer Design Sensor 32mp - same noise levels as D3x.

h) Novel introduction on coolpix camera to include 3D Lens ?

Anyway this is a very rough guessimate and one thing for sure it is going to be interesting and expensive times ahead.

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