can olympus support both 4/3 and m4/3 at the same time?

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this thread is not saying 4/3 is dead or anything, but when seriously looking at olympus offering, it seems their resources are now divided into half each for 4/3 and m4/3. however i feel olympus is just not big enough as a company to support two line providing 100% at the same time.

The result are pretty obvious.. 4/3 there are no news at all for the past 9 months.. for m4/3, panasonic has a much better/complete line of cameras(G1/GH1/GF1) and 6 lenses while olympus only launches 3 very similar model, and 2 lens (the 9-18/14-150 still not commonly available).

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And in the same week that an important olympus executive has said (again) that R&D between the two lines is shared and that innovations and technology used in the one will be also used in the other.

That and the fact that Olympus is a much bigger company than people think.

According to wikipedia, Olympus 2008 Revenue: 12.45 Billion USD. Compared to Nikon 2006 revenue: 8.07 Billion USD. Yeah, I know it's different years, but considering the economy in 2008 Vs 2006 that makes it even better for Olympus.

So yeah, clearly Nikon does not have the resources to compete either.

EDIT: And yeah, I know most of olympus's revenue is from medical gear. They still have the resources if they want them.
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well said

the OP made me get the same idea into my head, although I was going to focus completely on cameras.

general idea is that olympus has the m43rds, 43rds, high-end slr style compacts, mid range slim but capable compacts, weatherproof compacts and the all time favourite cheap and cheerful compacts. not to mention endless ranges of accessories.

I doubt removing 43rds or m43rds would make all that much of a difference, as the development for either usually helps the other. better sensor, better screen, better processing, better battery, improved live view focusing, etc...

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See this interview (in Spanish) by 'DSLR Magazine' with some Olympus managers:

http://www.dslrmagazine.com/digital/tecnicas-de-fotografia-digital/cp-y-olympus-entrevista-2.html

They pieced together the answers and deduced that
  • there will be no new 4/3 lenses this year
  • that a new pro camera might be a µ4/3 one with a 'special adapter' allowing to mount 4/3 lenses.
Perhaps someone might translate:

"En este caso, debemos confesar que jugamos con una cierta –ligera– ventaja: por nuestro servicio de inteligencia hemos podido saber que Olympus prepara una “réflex” para el Cuatro Tercios, un “camarón” y no precisamente de los que “se lleva la corriente”.

Nuestra interpretación es de doble nivel: por un lado es seguro que se presentará esa nueva cámara, probablemente hacia mediados o la tercera semana de Agosto, pero por otro... ¿podrían darnos la sorpresa de que ese nuevo cuerpo fuese el sugerido por nosotros en el apartado anterior, una Micro Cuatro Tercios Profesional que diese buen servicio a los objetivos de la serie 4/3?"

Should we consider 2010 a sabbatical year for 4/3?

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it seems their resources are now divided into half each for 4/3 and m4/3.
There is a lot of overlap there. Lens designs are unique to each, so it is not surprising that additional standard 4/3 lenses are no longer expected this year. EVF and OVF development is quite different, too. Sensor and image pipeline, IS, and shutter assemblies are all common.
The result are pretty obvious.. 4/3 there are no news at all for the past 9 months.. for m4/3, panasonic has a much better/complete line of cameras(G1/GH1/GF1) and 6 lenses while olympus only launches 3 very similar model, and 2 lens (the 9-18/14-150 still not commonly available).
There wouldn't be much point to Olympus duplicating Panasonic's line of micro 4/3 bodies, would there? Panasonic are clearly aiming at a different market than Olympus -- they probably agreed on this prior to producing designs. It makes more sense to cover as much space as possible in a new market.

Standard 4/3 was bound to suffer a slow-down while micro was started up and established. If micro proves to be an ongoing profitable market for Olympus then it is also a good thing for standard 4/3 in the longer term. It appears that both Panasonic and Olympus underestimated demand, and this may have pushed Olympus to shift more resources into micro while the market was hot. If they can grab more market share by diverting resources from standard 4/3 in the short term then they should do so.
 
short answer, no
  • clearly there isnt the capacity to service both 4/3rds and mFT, that is after all why there hasnt been any 'new' 4/3rds product of any substance for a year
  • if all this technology transfer stuff between mFT and 4/3rds is so easy, where is it ? yes i know about the 620IS
  • keep in mind the last product release was a $600 mFT designed simpletons
in the meantime, we have promises, no scheduling, just a road map with 1 lens on it.

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And the fact that no mention of the 4/3 mount is made for Sigma's new releases is a hint ...
 
Do people not understand that product development involves 5 and 10 year business plans? Questions like this lead me to believe that some think Olympus execs just sit around and discuss "What should we do next year?"

Olympus already said they started development of the m4/3 concept when they adopted the 4/3 standard. So from a development standpoint, they have been supporting 4/3 and m4/3 for the better part of a decade.

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Do people not understand that product development involves 5 and 10 year business plans? Questions like this lead me to believe that some think Olympus execs just sit around and discuss "What should we do next year?"

Olympus already said they started development of the m4/3 concept when they adopted the 4/3 standard. So from a development standpoint, they have been supporting 4/3 and m4/3 for the better part of a decade.

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sigma and olympus have different business models, sigma wants to make money from lenses and 43rds is a small market for them and could very well not be profitable to make every lens fit.

that or they wait to see the demand of requests from 43rds users for such lens before development

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Let's see... the 4/3 lens lineup is already very good. Intermediate and above, the glass is the envy of the other makers, and represents a fairly complete line. Plus, current 4/3 sensors aren't much better than the ones made a year ago.

Now here's M4/3: selling like hotcakes, a brand new market where M4/3 can establish itself as a real contender, not much competition for the time being, but two major companies getting ready to dive in: Nikon and Sony.

So what do we do at Olympus? Do we put our resources into cranking out a marginally improved E5 that the complainers probably won't buy because 'it's not good enough'?

Or do we pour all of our resources into this new, hot selling market, and improve the line enough to make life very hard for Nikon and Sony when they do get something to market, knowing full and well that most of the electronic advances will port straight to a 4/3 body with minimal changes? And those 4/3 owners who want the better performance today can simply buy a Pen and an adapter?

Do we put out a revised 630 that isn't much better than the current 620? Or do we react quickly to market feedback on the lovely but pricey Pens, and bring out a low cost, consumer model with a popup flash, that is rapidly becoming the darling of the M4/3 world? And selling like hotcakes, too.

Hmmm.... tough choice...

Have patience, people. All of the sensor improvements found in the EPL1 will be seen next fall, probably in a 620 sized body. And we'll all be very impressed. Olympus can support both lines, because they're so similar, and share a lot of common functionality.
 
Let's see... the 4/3 lens lineup is already very good. Intermediate and above, the glass is the envy of the other makers, and represents a fairly complete line. Plus, current 4/3 sensors aren't much better than the ones made a year ago.
GH1 is significantly better than any other 4/3 sensor.
Now here's M4/3: selling like hotcakes, a brand new market where M4/3 can establish itself as a real contender, not much competition for the time being, but two major companies getting ready to dive in: Nikon and Sony.
Can you post a link to Nikon'sm 4/3 contender? Nikon has stated that they will focus on their core products this year. A Nikon m4/3 competitor is a long way off... if ever.
So what do we do at Olympus? Do we put our resources into cranking out a marginally improved E5 that the complainers probably won't buy because 'it's not good enough'?
Is that not what they have done for the past few years. EP-1, EP-2, ELP-1, E-620, E-30....... They are all recycled technology with marginal improvements.
Or do we pour all of our resources into this new, hot selling market, and improve the line enough to make life very hard for Nikon and Sony when they do get something to market, knowing full and well that most of the electronic advances will port straight to a 4/3 body with minimal changes? And those 4/3 owners who want the better performance today can simply buy a Pen and an adapter?
This goes back to the original posters question. Did they pour "all of the resources" into m4/3. Do they not have the resources to develop two product lines? IF they do have the resources it does not show.
Do we put out a revised 630 that isn't much better than the current 620? Or do we react quickly to market feedback on the lovely but pricey Pens, and bring out a low cost, consumer model with a popup flash, that is rapidly becoming the darling of the M4/3 world? And selling like hotcakes, too.
If they simply dropped the GH1 sensor into an E-6xx body and improved the image processing it would have been huge. Even if it did not have video you would have an E-630 that could match the $1,700.00 Canon 7D in IQ.
Hmmm.... tough choice...

Have patience, people. All of the sensor improvements found in the EPL1 will be seen next fall, probably in a 620 sized body. And we'll all be very impressed. Olympus can support both lines, because they're so similar, and share a lot of common functionality.
You really think they are going to put the same 2 year old sensor from their point & shoot EPL-1 into the next pro-body? You really think that would impress anyone? The EPL-1 does not even have th best currently available sensor. We had better see an improved GH1 sensor.
 
You really think they are going to put the same 2 year old sensor from their point & shoot EPL-1 into the next pro-body? You really think that would impress anyone? The EPL-1 does not even have th best currently available sensor. We had better see an improved GH1 sensor.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

Choose E-pl1 and GH1.
Oly has less noise, more pleasing noise pattern, more details and no banding.
Sure, it is only jpg. But I failt to see "significantly better".
 
...ANYONE hear knows? Then why ask? Why start an incredulous thread? Why not just join onto the innumerable idiotic threads already out there. Speculative assumptive negative threads like this are really stinking this place up. Really!

Noone here knows AT ALL what the camera manufacturer called Olympus is planning on doing, or what their manufacturing capabilities are. And if they did, they certainly wouldn't stop in here and spill their guts to you because you asked.

I edited this to add...this is your first and only post here on dpreview. Welcome to the forum, troll. You are on my ignore list.
 
Let's see... the 4/3 lens lineup is already very good.
it needs a long zoom, a handful of primes, a portrait prime and a fast wide, of course the 100 macro is still on the 'roadmap'.... thats cheery..
Intermediate and above, the glass is the envy of the other makers, and represents a fairly complete line.
its nothing like 'complete'
Plus, current 4/3 sensors aren't much better than the ones made a year ago.
thats b/se, they are sensors that were made a year ago, nothing has happened since
Now here's M4/3: selling like hotcakes, a brand new market where M4/3 can establish itself as a real contender, not much competition for the time being, but two major companies getting ready to dive in: Nikon and Sony.

So what do we do at Olympus? Do we put our resources into cranking out a marginally improved E5 that the complainers probably won't buy because 'it's not good enough'?
consider this, there is little point to a 'pro' model, without any 'pros'. If they are going to run a pro line, they have a responsibility to keep it up to date. I dont know about their business, but mine operates on certainties, not empty promises ans 'oh we cant say' bi-lines
Or do we pour all of our resources into this new, hot selling market, and improve the line enough to make life very hard for Nikon and Sony when they do get something to market, knowing full and well that most of the electronic advances will port straight to a 4/3 body with minimal changes? And those 4/3 owners who want the better performance today can simply buy a Pen and an adapter?
christ, ni
Do we put out a revised 630 that isn't much better than the current 620? Or do we react quickly to market feedback on the lovely but pricey Pens, and bring out a low cost, consumer model with a popup flash, that is rapidly becoming the darling of the M4/3 world? And selling like hotcakes, too.

Hmmm.... tough choice...
actually it aint

when those competitors you announce get into mirrorless, much of their work will be stilted. Then they will have wrecked 4/3rds with seemingly endless delays for another format with just as much competition, still sound smart to you ?

4/3rds already operates in a competitive environment, and would be doing a lot better IF IT ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING INTERESTING TO SELL....at this rate we are becoming the camera equivalent of Morgan Cars, the camera shop of the Soviet Union

we are deficient of bodies and lenses, so their answer to this is to go and start another format. Well thanks dudes, but that format isnt my gig. They should have made certain they had the production capacity to do both (which is what they assured us they had), not 1/2 a job of each.
Have patience, people.
great
tell that to my clients, tell that to my competitors
All of the sensor improvements found in the EPL1 will be seen next fall, probably in a 620 sized body. And we'll all be very impressed. Olympus can support both lines, because they're so similar, and share a lot of common functionality.
to which, they are already out of date, nice plan....

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You really think they are going to put the same 2 year old sensor from their point & shoot EPL-1 into the next pro-body? You really think that would impress anyone? The EPL-1 does not even have th best currently available sensor. We had better see an improved GH1 sensor.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

Choose E-pl1 and GH1.
Oly has less noise, more pleasing noise pattern, more details and no banding.
Sure, it is only jpg. But I failt to see "significantly better".
Olympus is a generation or two ahead of Panasonic when it come to image processing. The RAW files from the GH1 have less noise than several ASP-C bodies on the market up to 800 ISO, and it holds its own against them at 1600 and 3200.

I think image processing is the main upgrade for the G2 over the G1, but we will have to see.
 
...without pro lenses for M4/3

I think everyone who is asking for a pro M4/3 assumes that means new pro grade lenses for that format.

But here's the problem. If you create some nice fast weather sealed f/2.0 zoom lenses for M4/3.... then you have just defeated the purpose of "compact and small." And now we are talking about $1400 bodies with $2000 lenses, moving you completely out of the amateur market, and completely out of the small and compact market.

M4/3 will thrive as a high end consumer product. Especially when competition sets in and prices moderate.

4/3 will thrive as a value and feature packed alternative format for amateurs.

Some pros will want 4/3 bodies, simply for the lenses. They will also use M4/3 as their compact camera, but when the serious shooting is needed the E3s and E5s will be used.

And I am pretty certain Olympus can do both.

No one seems to notice that Olympus also manages to dominate in the Endoscope and high end microscope markets too. They are quite capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time....
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