xtoph
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and outside in:
[inside out:]
both made with m9, cv40/1.4
[inside out:]
both made with m9, cv40/1.4
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::Weekly Street Photography-March 14th part II::
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this is a triptic and as a triptic its quite nice. But as street its a bit confusing. It seems to be saying see no evil, see evil, and keep reading. But I like it anyway but then I am a sucker for windows.
Taken from across the street @ 200mm, followed by a severe crop.
It would have been hard to get this without attracting attention with a normal lens, your reflection would be in the window, and a FF camera lets me get away with cropping at leisure, and quite severely. In a shot like this I don't pay that high a price for telephoto compression, in fact the flatness gives a faint whiff of a triptych with three saints.
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I don't know what's going on here. Are they connecting? maybe maybe not. This one needs more clarification for me anyway.
Canon EOS 5D Mark II ,Canon EF 70-200 mm f/4L IS USM
1/250s f/4.0 at 200.0mm iso200
Pieter
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I usually try to refrain from this kind of comment because its your image not mine, but here its so up front I think I should comment. The white post divides the pic into two competing halves and for me all the interest is in the Left half. I normally don't like square aspect ratio but here just the left half is for me a stand alone image with some wonderful atmosphere and ambiance or is that the same thing? silly me. Maybe he is a Rabbi and that snow flake a stylized star of David.and outside in:
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both made with m9, cv40/1.4
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bosjohn aka John Shick [email protected]
Sorry I got ahead of myself and pushed send too soon. The second photo could be quite wonderful. Its that unfortunate reflection in the glass that bothers me. I think you could loose some off the left and strengthen the composition but maybe not you will have to decide that.I usually try to refrain from this kind of comment because its your image not mine, but here its so up front I think I should comment. The white post divides the pic into two competing halves and for me all the interest is in the Left half. I normally don't like square aspect ratio but here just the left half is for me a stand alone image with some wonderful atmosphere and ambiance or is that the same thing? silly me. Maybe he is a Rabbi and that snow flake a stylized star of David.and outside in:
[inside out:]
both made with m9, cv40/1.4
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bosjohn aka John Shick [email protected]
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bosjohn aka John Shick [email protected]
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the use I made of your suggestion for manual exposure on this kind of day. It kept all the highlights just where they should be, and I thank you for it.
Frank
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ego sum via et veritas et vita
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Is that your office, Chris? As we used to say, the freshmen get younger every year.and outside in:
[inside out:]
As far as criticism, John said everything I had to say, and even a little more.
In terms of composition, the 40 v. a 50mm may have hurt you on the first one, helped on the second.
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xtoph
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thanks for the comments. i like the composition on the first one quite a bit as it is; i didn't want to zero in on the gnome in the back room directly, but let the viewer find him among a jumble of boxes. but i can hear that it isn't working for you.
the second one was more a snapshot, since the little rapscallions just appeared on the ledge outside my office window for a few moments. i thought the wide comp conveyed the actual feel of the encounter more, though i can also see the logic to concentrating right down on the most interesting subjects. maybe i will try out some crops on it.
the second one was more a snapshot, since the little rapscallions just appeared on the ledge outside my office window for a few moments. i thought the wide comp conveyed the actual feel of the encounter more, though i can also see the logic to concentrating right down on the most interesting subjects. maybe i will try out some crops on it.
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xtoph
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yup, that's from inside my office looking out. (the second one, obviously.) and yes, they do seem very 'fresh'.
i am somewhat surprised neither of you liked the first composition at all. but then i always have had a thing for those divide-and-divide-again arrangements. also, it probably works better larger, when you can see more detail.
actually, my initial composition was standing back across the sidewalk to include bicycles outside the window, adding yet another layer. but that was probably too much.
i'm glad you are finding a use for manual exposure. btw, going just by the numbers, and assuming a basic slightly weak sunny day, that looks about a stop more exposed than i would expect from my 5d2 (and about the same as with the m9). did the sun seem weak to you that day, and/or did you pull back on highlight recovery a lot? each dig camera seems to handle base exposure and curves differently, so i am curious what you're finding with the d3s. i usually get best results with manual exp only after some experimentation and experience to figure out exactly where the highlights really blow. i guess for some folks, this is the advantage to something like the sony a900; you can give more base exposure w/o losing highlights, potentially useful in situations like these where you want to retain shadow detail.
i am somewhat surprised neither of you liked the first composition at all. but then i always have had a thing for those divide-and-divide-again arrangements. also, it probably works better larger, when you can see more detail.
actually, my initial composition was standing back across the sidewalk to include bicycles outside the window, adding yet another layer. but that was probably too much.
i'm glad you are finding a use for manual exposure. btw, going just by the numbers, and assuming a basic slightly weak sunny day, that looks about a stop more exposed than i would expect from my 5d2 (and about the same as with the m9). did the sun seem weak to you that day, and/or did you pull back on highlight recovery a lot? each dig camera seems to handle base exposure and curves differently, so i am curious what you're finding with the d3s. i usually get best results with manual exp only after some experimentation and experience to figure out exactly where the highlights really blow. i guess for some folks, this is the advantage to something like the sony a900; you can give more base exposure w/o losing highlights, potentially useful in situations like these where you want to retain shadow detail.
xtoph
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yeah, they totally look like evil sprites. they could be cast in some creepy movie.
xtoph
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marvelous scarf. the guy on the right looms without really becoming very interesting to me. the crop seems a bit arbitrary, mostly for the right half of the frame.
xtoph
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this is really interesting as a picture, and a neat observation. definitely seems to operate in the zone of street.
the lighting makes him seem incredibly enormous, which may be dominating the picture too much. his bald head id fantastic though. i like the overall composition and crop; i don't love the struts in the upper right, but i can see why you don't want to crop into the bank of seats or take off the babies' heads.
hope you can share some more with us, and don't hesitate to contribute comments on other people's photos too--
the lighting makes him seem incredibly enormous, which may be dominating the picture too much. his bald head id fantastic though. i like the overall composition and crop; i don't love the struts in the upper right, but i can see why you don't want to crop into the bank of seats or take off the babies' heads.
hope you can share some more with us, and don't hesitate to contribute comments on other people's photos too--
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I'm trying to translate this. Are you saying that with the same settings the 5d2 would be a stop darker, assuming the level of sunlight was what you thought it was? I was talking to two American blacks, and was able to bring their attention to bright highlights that could have blown on their noses and foreheads, so that's pretty bright sun.
Remember we are Lat 40 and you are Lat 47, so I guess it is brighter here in March and you are like New Brunswick/Nova Scotia.
I was pleased with the highlights, which were easily recoverable except in 2 cases. In a number of cases skin tones seemed lighter than I wanted them to be, but this is a delicate number when you have white skin against a light background and ME.
Yeah. I have my Photobuddy app to use to find a starting place (ev 15, I think), but I just took some test shots with various amounts of highlights and checked the blinking lcd and the histogram, and went with that. I checked from time to time as well by chimping.
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Thanks for the feedback. I didn't want to crop more on the right as the big guy is already off centre and would have been at the edge. I could have cropped down too, but I would have lost some of the sense of space.
I am enjoying these threads and the comments are very helpful.
Neil
I am enjoying these threads and the comments are very helpful.
Neil
Lots of interesting stuff to read here. Lots of wisdom. I thank you all.
Quercy, I have a friend who had the G10, dropped and busted it, and got the G11. She says the vf doesn't line up at all, she keeps slicing the tops of heads off. She like the G10 and dislikes the G11. I've forgotten her other complaints.
For now, I think I'm saving my money, though I'll wait and see what Chris thinks. He has quite different shooting situations from mine - not to mention skill sets I'll never have. I'll see if a camera store will let me try one out for the afternoon.
Sal
Quercy, I have a friend who had the G10, dropped and busted it, and got the G11. She says the vf doesn't line up at all, she keeps slicing the tops of heads off. She like the G10 and dislikes the G11. I've forgotten her other complaints.
For now, I think I'm saving my money, though I'll wait and see what Chris thinks. He has quite different shooting situations from mine - not to mention skill sets I'll never have. I'll see if a camera store will let me try one out for the afternoon.
Sal
xtoph
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i mean that the exposure i would expect to use for that scene on the 5d2 would be one stop less light (therefore the exposure you used would have been one stop to bright on the canon). on the m9, the exposure indicated in your photo probably would have been about right (though i still need to do some more rigorous side by side tests to establish this exactly).
i agree that going by latitude, one would expect my usual sunlight to be relatively weaker than yours, but in this case the difference in exposure seemed to go the other way, so that's part of why i asked.
i agree that going by latitude, one would expect my usual sunlight to be relatively weaker than yours, but in this case the difference in exposure seemed to go the other way, so that's part of why i asked.
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