Why did you tell one person it was useless to communicate with him then, especially since all you're doing is replying and saying garbage like "nobody is listening anymore"? You're skirting along the troll-line here, Harold, calling ddk's posts "bs" and telling people like Pavel not to waste their time posting to ddk only to find you engaging in these garbage posts in reply to him! You really need to take a rest and back off the personal garbage.
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GXR = Ricoh are you taking the PI$$?
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Last time I heard that level of retort was a couple of decades ago in the playground. Of course people are expressing their opinions, Harold, but you are getting agitated when their opinions dare disagree with your own. Chill out.
Harold66
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hello Bill
I think your last 2 comments show that you are the one getting agitated
when I wrote say you , it just to make sure that opinions don't get presented as facts
You can use all the underlining that you want and call this or that garbage but I think spending so much time on a camera that you do not own and may not have used is strange.
ah looking at the last ddk post who says , answer my point below when there is nothing below is very telling
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I think your last 2 comments show that you are the one getting agitated
when I wrote say you , it just to make sure that opinions don't get presented as facts
You can use all the underlining that you want and call this or that garbage but I think spending so much time on a camera that you do not own and may not have used is strange.
ah looking at the last ddk post who says , answer my point below when there is nothing below is very telling
Harold
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Harold, your posts are full of venom and personal insults, what's up dude?No one's allowed to express an opinion here without being insulted by you? Get a hold of yourself, you started off by attacking me then calling Bill names now this person. Stick to the point, gear talk not personal insults! Meantime you haven't contributed one bit to the discussion.
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Harold, your playground antics are clear. You tell Pavel to ignore ddk, then you repeatedly post to him yourself, while engaging in petty, childish namecalling ... then foolishly deny it. Your peculiar fanboy defensiveness is as obvious as it is ugly. Please calm down.
Harold66
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Ok David please do me a favor
find and quote a personal insult that I would have made
and have Bill quote me what names I would have supposedly used for him
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Spunky8
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"It's a good indication just how threatened some enthusiasts are by this innovative and courageous move, and trying to shoot it down in it's infancy shows even more fear of what the system might become in the future."
Innovative: Yes.
Courageous: Yes.
Dumb: Yes.
Inadequate: Yes.
Sad: Yes.
Failure: Yes, so far.
No one fears what the system might become in the future. We welcome an excellent system. The problem here is that Ricoh has bungled; it's produced an inferior product.
This isn't trolling its sad reality.
Innovative: Yes.
Courageous: Yes.
Dumb: Yes.
Inadequate: Yes.
Sad: Yes.
Failure: Yes, so far.
No one fears what the system might become in the future. We welcome an excellent system. The problem here is that Ricoh has bungled; it's produced an inferior product.
This isn't trolling its sad reality.
Spunky8
Senior Member
Would help if the images were sharp. One is, but the others. If these make you happy, then I'm happy for you.
Spunky8
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As I said, earlier. A straight-jacket might be needed.
nzoliver
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I'm with Paul here!! I have been following the GXR with muchninterest as I have just bought a GX200 - which the dealers here in NZ have said is STILL BEING MADE and I love it!! Yes, it has issues BUT I knew that when I bought it because I TRIED IT FIRST!! I have seen a comparrison on the net someplace between the GX200 and S10 module for the GXR. The GXR module was much nicer with real world pix.
This is not a 'dead' system. Ricoh just need to keep up the momentum with good lenses such as the 50mm eq and 28mm eq. The 24-70 is something to use when you need a little travel camera in my book.
Give it a chance and TRY before commenting........
Since when is having a realistic outlook on things funny?
The main argument against the NX10 is lack of lens choices. But it still has more than Ricoh. And doesn't tie them to sensors.
Harold66
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There is nothing realistic about a open-ended and vague statement like that
you can argue that each camera has strengths and weaknesses compared to another
but your generalization are by essence inaccurate
Funny , even when you talk about other cameras , I think you are wrong. the NX came out with 3 lenses and there are 5 more in the pipeline before PMA
that's WAY more than Panasonic delivered when they first came out with their model
Of course, what matters more is the lens itself than just how many lenses
I have even less interest for the NX than I would for Panasonic ( and that's already something)
If Ricoh GXR did not exist , I probably would have no compact digital camera with large sensor ( just my grd3)
IF I had to choose for m4/3rds , the Ep2 would be the only possible option for me and then I would have the 20mm from Panasonic
But I am much happier than the GXR which has for me several KEY advantages over the Ep2 and few disadvantages
your opinion may vary depending on your photo needs but that does not make it true for EVERYONE like you are trying to pretend
as far as " being tied to the sensor" you shoud stop worrying for us , GXR users
we have decided that we prefer to be" tied to an outstanding sensor ", rather having to use a " one which comes with no tie but that is only a good one"
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Noone cares any more about how many Panasonic delivered when they first came out. That is water under the bridge.
I'm not saying it's not understandable that Samsung don't have a ton. Of course it's understandable. What's not understandable is why they build the lenses they build, but that's a topic for another forum.
Still they have more than GXR who has one decent one and another decent one coming soon. Sorry, the small-sensored zoom doesn't really count.
I did a post ending this discussion using relevant points that shut everyone up.
looks like they couldn't take losing, complained it and had it removed so they could continue trolling.
LOL.
sore much?
just sell your GXR and get on with it!
looks like they couldn't take losing, complained it and had it removed so they could continue trolling.
LOL.
sore much?
just sell your GXR and get on with it!
Calvin Palmer
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It is a sad day for all concerned when freedom of speech is suppressed.
It would be incumbent on the moderators to inform you as to the reason why your post was deleted, just as a courtesy if nothing else.
Sometimes, I feel that I am getting too old for all this nonsense and that the values I grew up with and have adopted all my life are no longer held in high regard.
It seems more and more that the intolerance of fascism my father fought against during the Second World War, World War Two for American readers, is creeping back into so-called "free societies" and is becoming accepted as the norm.
How quickly we forget.
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It would be incumbent on the moderators to inform you as to the reason why your post was deleted, just as a courtesy if nothing else.
Sometimes, I feel that I am getting too old for all this nonsense and that the values I grew up with and have adopted all my life are no longer held in high regard.
It seems more and more that the intolerance of fascism my father fought against during the Second World War, World War Two for American readers, is creeping back into so-called "free societies" and is becoming accepted as the norm.
How quickly we forget.
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Calvin,
the lesson to be learned seems to be: complain earlier.
I hovered over that button quite often the last weeks, only to stop, because of "freedom of speech" thoughts.
But in hindsight, we have lost to many of valuable contributors, who didn't want to stand this silly bs...
Karl
the lesson to be learned seems to be: complain earlier.
I hovered over that button quite often the last weeks, only to stop, because of "freedom of speech" thoughts.
But in hindsight, we have lost to many of valuable contributors, who didn't want to stand this silly bs...
Karl
so true. never thought i'd see someone take a shot at Pavel like that. I LOVE PAVEL. NEVER LEAVE!!
Harold too! hahah
ALSO, i can't believe they were hiding behind the free speech BS and THEN go and complain/delete my well thought out post that was dense with accurate information.
I pretty much was talking about how Ricoh has evolved as a company and can't just make interchangeable lenses at the drop of a hat just because competitors are doing so. Panasonic and Olympus can because they've been making compacts, DSLRs, and interchangeable lenses for quite a while, albeit not as successfully.
Ricoh can't just all of a sudden gain a billion dollars in capital just because their competitors are cranking out products that are starting to infringe on their share of the market. The best they can do is adjust their designs which is what the GXR is.
I was also saying that yeah, it's not cost effective. But neither is a Leica, but you don't see people moaning all day over the fact that Leicas make expensive camera systems.
Said some more stuff to put the phase detect stuff to rest as well as Ricoh had no choice over that decision. Also, i said that you can't just take a cross section of the market and then make your assessments.
you have to look at the company as it evolved, and see if the steps they took at the time made sense considering their capital and their share of the market and the technology available to them. If you're Canon or Nikon, you can pretty much do whatever you want. If you're Ricoh... not so much. A lot of what they've done is the best that they can do with the options at their disposal.
I didn't complain about that post. I simply didn't respond as it was very long-winded and ranting and made it hard to make out the relevant points. I remember you making a good one about firmware upgrade boosting AF speed.
However, I don't see why you blame those complaining instead of the admins who chose to act on it. If your post was OK then people can report it all they want, they should get warned/banned instead for wasting admins time. If your post was not OK then it is their right to complain and admins right to remove it.
So you are essentially saying that either the admins made a mistake or your post was breaching the site rules.
Pick one.
they removed it due to language.
and yeah, accurate information tends to be long-winded at times.
and actually, the replies to my post were also deleted by the author, so it was to save face due to embarrassment for being wrong, not for any other reason using my language (very light too) to justify getting my post deleted. oh you forum newbs.
and no, the most accurate bit of my post had nothing to do with firmware but with business basics and the technology market which your side either 1. did not consider and/or 2. could not respond to.
I'm not going to bother with this thread anymore. the person who complained my post out of embarrassment now knows all the info they need to know to understand that they were wrong.
if they weren't so inconsiderate, you'd have that information available to you too, and you'd understand why Pavel, Harold and co. are right.
and yeah, accurate information tends to be long-winded at times.
and actually, the replies to my post were also deleted by the author, so it was to save face due to embarrassment for being wrong, not for any other reason using my language (very light too) to justify getting my post deleted. oh you forum newbs.
and no, the most accurate bit of my post had nothing to do with firmware but with business basics and the technology market which your side either 1. did not consider and/or 2. could not respond to.
I'm not going to bother with this thread anymore. the person who complained my post out of embarrassment now knows all the info they need to know to understand that they were wrong.
if they weren't so inconsiderate, you'd have that information available to you too, and you'd understand why Pavel, Harold and co. are right.
More often than not, accurate information is to the point and brief.
What author?
Remind me what it was. I only remember about firmware as that kinda stood out as a valid point. The rest was mostly gibberish, I think.
You make quite little sense in this post.
If you have a point to make, make it, and use language that won't get your post deleted this time.
If you cannot do that then perhaps you really shouldn't bother replying.
You cannot just say "my rambling long-winded post was very accurate and if theyd'd only read it they'd understand why I am right" and expect anybody to simply accept it.
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