1DS: Why Am I Not Impressed?

Steven Geller

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Whats with the noise in the "new" pictures?

Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.

SD9 Looking pretty good though.

Whats going on??
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EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
 
Maybe because you heard the price and now you have a prejudice?

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best regards Rainer
 
I forgot to say that I already made some test prints of the images posted on the http://www.digitalcamera.jp files showing the same building and there is when you see the difference between the SD9 of Sigma and the 1Ds from Canon.

print size 12" x 18" on a Epson Stylus Pro 7500

This kind of comparison really speaks for itself.

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best regards Rainer
 
Whats with the noise in the "new" pictures?

Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.

SD9 Looking pretty good though.

Whats going on??
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EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
I didn't expect the 1Ds to be sharper than the 1D so that is not an issue for me. I am concerned about the noise level. I can not really tell, since I am at work with a crappy LCD screen (I hate companies that give the employees laptops). I was really hoping the 1Ds would be at least as clean as the D60.

The X3 in the SD-9 looks good, but I am not sure it is getting the colors right. It looks to have a yellowish cast on the skin tones. Too bad it is at 3Mp, I would pay more attention to it if it were at least 6Mp (and in a Canon mount). It does look promising.

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Valliesto
'A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five
minutes longer.'
  • R.W. Emerson
 
I didn't expect the 1Ds to be sharper than the 1D so that is not an
issue for me. I am concerned about the noise level. I can not
really tell, since I am at work with a crappy LCD screen (I hate
companies that give the employees laptops). I was really hoping the
1Ds would be at least as clean as the D60.
What is striking is white balance or color of the 1Ds, my D60 efforts, however nice they might be perceived in family et al., do not have that vividness out of the box ( I assume the wedding files are jpgs from the 1Ds?).

Noise seems better than D60 to me. Hard to say. The flower shot is easy to clean, the bridal bouqet can be dealt with very well, jes Color cleaner action plus some third party plugin for the deep shadow noise, the result looks very usable. It depends all on the desired print size if this is worth it or not.
The X3 in the SD-9 looks good, but I am not sure it is getting the
colors right. It looks to have a yellowish cast on the skin tones.
Too bad it is at 3Mp, I would pay more attention to it if it were
at least 6Mp (and in a Canon mount). It does look promising.
Next year maybe ? If there is a 6MP SD18 in 12 month then Canon better earn what there is to earn on the 1Ds as quickly as possible.
 
Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.
I guess they aren´t meant to. All they should be is bigger. 11MP is printing bigger than 6MP. The lenses are the same, so why should sharpness improve? Probably its even slightly decreasing, as the resolution might approach the resolution limit of 35mm lenses.
SD9 Looking pretty good though.
Indeed I agree. It looks - although a 1st version - like the more intelligent solution. Qualitative improvement instead of bombing with high Mega- numbers...
However if you need big big prints the D1s might be the choice - at this time.

Bernie
 
printing bigger than 6MP. The lenses are the same, so why should
sharpness improve? Probably its even slightly decreasing, as the
resolution might approach the resolution limit of 35mm lenses.
Well, a 1D is sharper than a D30 with the exact same lens ... but a weaker AA filter. The lens is only one part of the system, not the be-all and end-all of sharpness.
 
Because the rest of the 1D speaking world only gets 4.1 MP.

Unless you use instant 1D. OK it is supposed to be grits,
but I thought it was funny.

I have to say that the noise levels are a little higher than
I was thinking they would be, but looks much better than my 1D.

Steven
Whats with the noise in the "new" pictures?

Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.

SD9 Looking pretty good though.

Whats going on??
--
EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
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My really bad summer pictures:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/summer_travels
 
The 1DS seems to suffer from flat looking and noise even at 100 iso. The web sites that have posted pics so far not enough to convince me to sell my 1D. I know 1D takes better looking images. That’s my two centers worth.
 
Well, the noise is looking slightly higher then my D60, however I always find that difficuilt to really tell. For a final verdict about that I'll just wait till Phil's complete review. I sure hope He'll compare the 1Ds with at leats the 1D & D1x/h and hopefully also with the D60.

The sharpness is looking quite OK to me.

The one thing which I find to be "disappointing" is the magenta/green moire at the 45 ° diagonal grating on the test chart (which needs to be replaced).
Whats with the noise in the "new" pictures?

Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.

SD9 Looking pretty good though.

Whats going on??
--
EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
--
In the beginning there was nothing, and then even that exploded.
 
Most ofthe new pics are taken at 400 ISO!!! That's very low nooise for 400 ISO, check out the ones that are taken at 200 and 100 ISO and there are virtually no noise.

Tony
Whats with the noise in the "new" pictures?

Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.

SD9 Looking pretty good though.

Whats going on??
--
EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
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Gallery: http://violin.deviantart.com/gallery
 
Don't forget how the X3 works...a 3MP sensor theoretically (how big are the files?) have the same amount of information as a typical 9MP sensor. Each pixel in the array captures light...unless...they're sneaky enough (and me not being technical enough to know) that they are taking into account the extra pixel count and the X3 is really three 1MP sensors...

Where are the techies??
Whats with the noise in the "new" pictures?

Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.

SD9 Looking pretty good though.

Whats going on??
--
EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
I didn't expect the 1Ds to be sharper than the 1D so that is not an
issue for me. I am concerned about the noise level. I can not
really tell, since I am at work with a crappy LCD screen (I hate
companies that give the employees laptops). I was really hoping the
1Ds would be at least as clean as the D60.

The X3 in the SD-9 looks good, but I am not sure it is getting the
colors right. It looks to have a yellowish cast on the skin tones.
Too bad it is at 3Mp, I would pay more attention to it if it were
at least 6Mp (and in a Canon mount). It does look promising.

--
Valliesto
'A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five
minutes longer.'
  • R.W. Emerson
--
EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
 
Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.
I guess they aren´t meant to. All they should be is bigger. 11MP is
printing bigger than 6MP. The lenses are the same, so why should
sharpness improve? Probably its even slightly decreasing, as the
resolution might approach the resolution limit of 35mm lenses.
I thought the sharpness of the finer details would inprove...they say the 11MP will come in handy for large group shots...but I was looking at the leaves in the sample pictures and I can't see a tremendous improvement over my 1D.

My original question was to your point...if the only advantage is the 11x13+ enlargements...then the 1Ds is not a practical upgrade to the 1D. Moreso, the overhead you have to carry in terms of EVERY picture taking up so much more space...it just didn't seem practical.
SD9 Looking pretty good though.
Indeed I agree. It looks - although a 1st version - like the more
intelligent solution. Qualitative improvement instead of bombing
with high Mega- numbers...
However if you need big big prints the D1s might be the choice - at
this time.

Bernie
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EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
 
HA! Wouldn't it be really funny if you had the instant 1D? I remember the amazement the first time I saw 1D samples...because I am still amazed by 90% of the pictures I take.

But then again, maybe grits cook faster in my kitchen...maybe the laws of physics cease to exist on my stovetop...

(Name the movie)
Unless you use instant 1D. OK it is supposed to be grits,
but I thought it was funny.

I have to say that the noise levels are a little higher than
I was thinking they would be, but looks much better than my 1D.

Steven
Whats with the noise in the "new" pictures?

Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.

SD9 Looking pretty good though.

Whats going on??
--
EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
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My really bad summer pictures:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/summer_travels
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EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
 
I agree, and you know he will compare if to the 1D. The D1X is out of the loop because of the interpolation...Nikon is starting to look like IBM of the mid-1980's (anyone remember the XT-286, the PCjr, the PS/2???). Just do it and do it RIGHT and stop trying to sit on the case to close the latch...

Canon DID that with the 1D. Let's see what they do with the pricing and quality of the 1Ds.

And Foveon will continue to be the dark horse riding the rail...
The sharpness is looking quite OK to me.

The one thing which I find to be "disappointing" is the
magenta/green moire at the 45 ° diagonal grating on the test chart
(which needs to be replaced).
Whats with the noise in the "new" pictures?

Details don't seem sharper than my 1D.

SD9 Looking pretty good though.

Whats going on??
--
EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
--
In the beginning there was nothing, and then even that exploded.
--
EOS 1D
28-70 2.8L
 
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Toyota Tacoma
Litespeed Ultimate
Luminox S3001
DSLR
Bunch of Lenses
A couple of Flashes
4 lbs Chihuahua named Bailey
 
Most ofthe new pics are taken at 400 ISO!!! That's very low nooise
for 400 ISO,
That yellow flower pic has way more noise in the bokeh than my 1D would show at ISO 400.

Are we being too picky?? I don't think so, after all folks we are talking about a $9000 camera here!!

-John
 

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