::Weekly Street Photography-March 14th part II::

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Okay,

Anyone who drops a photograph in this corner, asks for it.

This is the department where masochists and fearless alike can
submit their photographs to be shredded to pieces by the critics .
(everyone is a critic, right ? )

Don't expect any pat on the back or "gee, that's a pretty capture !" here .
You simply will not find it !!
Do not enter your snapshots here when you are suffering from

long toes / angst / PMS / heart condition or (hereditary) emotional instability !!

Q :

My advice is always to make a lot of art; to make a lot of art,
then look at what you have made and then think about what you have done.
If you think first, you will never do anything or you will do something boring.
Art doesn’t exist until the artist has finished making it.

Dave Hickey
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.....or old masters who aren't as famous as they deserve to be!
post your examples of past masters for consideration and discussion

as an answer to this message to keep this thread organised.
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This is the branch of the thread to post questions and discussion
of technical topics related to street photography.
Post them as a reply to this message so they stay organized!
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This is the branch of the thread to post street portraits .

and by "street" it means no snapshots of family members or acquaintances .
Post them as a reply to this message so they stay organized
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On a quick check, I mistakenly looked at the gf1 price and moved on. With a bit more time to look, I see that the LX3 is within budget, so I'm giving it some thought. Before I'd make a move I'd want to get opinions and advice from people here. I think, Chris, you said you were seriously thinking of one?

Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. This would be a camera I'd use, really, only for sp. I'm very attached to my 50D and Canon lenses. Should I maybe look for a G10, given that the G11 would annoy me and given that I'm familiar with the Canon interface?

Sal
 
Rui Palha is a street photog. based in Lisbon, to my best knowledge
he is shooting mostly with Leica's D-Lux series of bodies (of which LX3
is a close cousin, although so far I've never saw in images from Pana.
the same magic as we can observe here). As always... my highly
subjective pick, although in case of Rui it is really hard to decide,
all his shots rise the bar to an impossible height - undoubtedly one
of the best SP'ers there are today,

enjoy, jpr2
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...small P&S is the enforced shooting at arms length, perhaps you
should take a closer look at the D Lux-4 with it's slap on (mountable
through a hot-shoe) OVF? some shots:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1029&message=34820637

although a Pana version is maybe also so equipped, I never did check,

jpr2
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street candids (non-interactive):
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157609618638319/
music and dance:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157600341265280/
B&W:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157623306407882/
wildlife & macro:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157600341377106/
interactive street:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157623181919323/

Comments and critique are always welcome!
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Oh, I have to have a decent viewfinder. That's why I have no interest in the G11. Not that it's so great on the 50D.

Sal
 
You can get a decent image from any of these non-dslr cameras if
--it is outdoors in daylight
--nothing is moving very much

A very few, highly skilled photographers, like Chris, have been able to get good street images from a Leica M9, but most of us would be paralyzed by the focus he places on the technical aspects of shooting.

We all would love a smaller street shooting camera like the Leica of old.

I did buy a G1, which IMHO is a better camera still than the GF1 because it has and excellent electronic viewfinder and an articulated LCD. I don't us it. It can't capture moving subjects well. Panasonic has never optimized the rendering engine the way other makers have. Highlights blow out very easily and cannot be brought back.

In Micro 43, Olympus has a far superior jpg rendering, but its cameras are very slow to focus. It is generally thought that the m43 sensor being used is not a refined or well-developed as the best dslrs, although others swear the quality is just as good.

The answer is that there is no satisfactory answer for the serious art photographer, including the M9.

The other answer is that any of these choices can do the job if,

You research not which one is good for street photography (none of them, including the M9 is inherently good for SP), but which will best fit your shooting approach, and

You are willing to spend the time to get the most out the instrument. I'm sure I could get fine shots from the G1, but I don't think the rewards would justify the time taken away from dslr work.

Another possible strategy is to wait a bit, since new systems with better sensors than m43 have been announced and speculated upon with some frequency.

--
Frank
http://www.sidewalkshadows.com

ego sum via et veritas et vita
 
Rui Palha is a street photog. based in Lisbon, to my best knowledge
he is shooting mostly with Leica's D-Lux series of bodies (of which LX3
is a close cousin, although so far I've never saw in images from Pana.
the same magic as we can observe here). As always... my highly
subjective pick, although in case of Rui it is really hard to decide,
all his shots rise the bar to an impossible height - undoubtedly one
of the best SP'ers there are today,

enjoy, jpr2
.
Excellent Find!!! Here is a link to a Colours Magazine that has a short interview with him and there is a link at the bottom of the interview to a website an many more photos.

http://www.coloursmag.com/?p=28

Here is a link to hundreds of additional Rui Palha photos with a black background.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ruipalha/popular-interesting/

There is always another level to reach. Do we give our cameras away now or keep on stretching?
 


carryover from last thread.

Sunbathing in a dry fountain.
Thanks to Chris, the highlights are not blown.

--
Frank
http://www.sidewalkshadows.com

ego sum via et veritas et vita
 
so i should be getting it in about a week and a half. i'll let you know some preliminary impressions once it arrives. in some ways i had hoped they would announce a successor by now, but then what's the point--it wouldn't be obtainable for 6 months anyway.

i need to have a small camera like this for several reasons. one, it's prudent for backup when i am traveling. two, sometimes you need a truly silent shutter. three, i often hand my camera to people, especially in indonesia, who are curious about it and what i am doing, and let them shoot with it. this works much better with a ps than with my 5d2, or the m9 (and yes, i've tried with both). and finally, though i think this reason is frequently overstated, there really are situations where it may not be safe to pull out the big camera.

as to whether one can make good street photos with a ps: have a look at the gallery here:
http://seeingsubjects.org/anjal_surabaya_street_kids_photos/photos.html

those are photos taken by indonesian street kids, mostly ages 7-12, with a canon a-70, a positively primitive (and absolutely fabulous) little 3mp ps. they have been internationally exhibited to considerable acclaim at full-bleed 16x20 inch print sizes; many of the pro photogs who attended the shows thought i was lying about the camera used, since the prints looked better than 35mm film.

now, obviously those were made under certain restrictions; i kept the iso at the base level, and let them use slow-synch flash for the night shots. but the daylight shots are technically comparable to what one would have gotten from a 35mm camera loaded with iso100 print film. and with any photo project, you have to choose a set of limitations. the current choices, i think, are not at all bad.

i've used a couple of digicams since then; i am getting the lx3 now because my more recent canon powershot just died. from all indications, including various people's posts here on the weekly thread, the lx3 is about as capable even in low light as any available film camera from the 70's, only smaller and cheaper. what's not to like?

ah yes, the viewfinder. well, as you point out, none of the currently available compact cameras have a decent vf build in. but, the lx3 (which is identical to, but $300 cheaper than, the leica version) takes a very nice optical vf with 24mm-equv framelines; in many respects, such a finder is better than the ones on slrs (brighter, and lets you see outside the framelines so you can anticipate and adjust more effectively). so, set the camera to a known focus distance, maybe 4 feet, and a moderate aperture, maybe 5.6, and you've got a very quick, small, unobtrusive, silent camera with fine iq that will easily hold focus from 3 feet to ~ 10 feet (or whatever, i will work that out when it arrives).

i hope.

obviously, the more one is interested in telephoto, the quicker this little slice of heaven dissolves into sand. but i expect i will use it mostly at the shorter end anyway.

personally, i would rather use a camera like this, than downgrade from a better prosumer dslr to a rebel. i think in that case, you can probably get better results from a shift in attitude than from a change in camera. sure, it does make a difference what camera you point at people, but between a rebel and, say, a 40d/7d/5d... not much difference. so in for a penny, in for a pound, would be my attitude in that case.
 

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