GXR = Ricoh are you taking the PI$$?

BillCarr said:

Nikon's interface is quite good, and the D5000 has the vari-angle LCD. If you want the same LCD screen get the D90 (same sensor as the Ricoh) for $780.

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so what ? nobody said that the Nikon interface was not good. My point is that no other camera is as customizable as the Ricohs and for some of us ,this is vital in the choice of a camera

if it is not for others, we are fine with it. why can't you extend us the same courtesy
the vari angle cd is a nice feature... if you need it

and again , these are two good cameras but with very different weaknesses and strengths
let's try to stay on the subject , shall we ?
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Harold - thanks for making my day.



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Hello Paul

you re welcome
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Harold66 said:

BillCarr said:

Nikon's interface is quite good, and the D5000 has the vari-angle LCD. If you want the same LCD screen get the D90 (same sensor as the Ricoh) for $780.

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so what ? nobody said that the Nikon interface was not good.

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You said the Ricoh's was "way better" and I disagree. The Ricoh's main advantage is it's somewhat smaller size. You can customize your buttons all you want on your Ricoh but it won't improve the anemic AF or offer better image quality than the less expensive Nikons.

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let's try to stay on the subject , shall we ?

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I certainly did. I was discussing the main, if meager, advantages of the GXR system, with someone and you jumped in to dispute.

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David

Strange comment from you , although somewhat expected

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Again with the personal remarks Harold? Do you think you can lay off that, I'm really not looking for a pi$$ing contest.

Harold66 said:

It is perfectly fine for someone to express disappointment but you made the same points weeks ago

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Oh, do I need your permission to post? If you care to read, there's plenty of new things that I added to my initial impressions.

Harold66 said:

Also the way you talked about some of your issues with the camera makes you wonder if you still have it and if you don't how long you had it

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If you need to know, I had it for over two months and sold it at the end of last week.

Harold66 said:

one way or another it looks like you don't know how to make the best of the camera

maybe you would have been better off trying to change some of the factory default settings instead of spending time here going on and on about all the stuff you don't like without ever trying to learn how to use it

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Don't concern yourself with that Harold, I know very well how to use it:! -) Pointing out a camera's flaws doesn't make one incompetent or ignorant, actually I would say its opposite. Knowing the camera well is what brought on the discontent.

Harold66 said:

After reading your posts, it almost feels like you have a different camera than us

because from the issues you mentioned, I have some that do not exist in mine and some which are not half as bad as you state them
makes you wonder, doesn't it...

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Yes, it does, I'm now wondering how well you know your camera. How long have you it for? After all, the iffy AF, the frozen screen and the shutter lag is well documented by many others all over the place, I wonder how you could have missed it? Now I have to ask you Harold, how well do you understand the GXR concept?

Let me try to explain it again but in a different way that might make it clearer to you. I understand, talking about quality, sensors adaptation, integration, software/hardware development, engineering, manufacturing, financial resources can be too conceptual and hard to grasp for some, so let's simplify and analyze the GXR concept together.

I think that we can all agree that the fastest moving target in the digital world is sensor tech; there are new advances constantly with new camera offerings. With a typical interchangeable lens camera system one has the opportunity to hold on to one's investment in expensive glass and benefit from a body upgrade as desired. With some systems you can even use lenses from other brands with the aid adaptors. The creator of m4/3rds even went further and came up with a mount that would allow you to use glass from any brand, so nothing would go to waste. Makes sense doesn't it?

So here comes Ricoh with the GXR saying to hell with that, why build a lens collection, who needs it when you can hold on to your handle and battery holder. Do you honestly find this disposable lens concept attractive or sensible? If you do, great, I think its stupid and Ricoh's taking us for a ride with this one!
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Pavel Kudrys said:

David, I personally never understood all this cry about so called "frozen screen". Yes, it's there (only in A12, not in S10!) and it's annoying. But I never found it tragic issue. It was present in GRDII/GX200 too but I was much more annoyed by some Aperture/Shutter speed limitations rather than the screen freeze. I'm not used to move with camera while focusing. And this is the only case where the screen freeze could be a problem because you cannot evaluate and fix the framing. I only move with camera in case of panning. But in this case, the camera is already pre-focused so there is no problem with LCD freeze. I can see the annoyance caused by LCD freeze and maybe some lost pictures because of slower AF, but I never missed a picture because of "frozen screen".

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Its there along with the shutter lag, its fine if only shot stationary subjects, but that's not the case with me. I stopped using the GRD2 for the very same reason, that delay cost me shots.

The S10 is moot why do I want a tiny sensor with the GXR to begin with? I have to admit to buying it and not liking it one bit.

Pavel Kudrys said:

I too don't like the marketing lies. But I understand the GXR concept and I like it. It may not be your cup of tea, but I clearly see the advantages of such modular system. I too miss the possibility to play with 3rd party (and mainly legacy) lenses. But I believe the GXR lens mount module is only a question of time. Maybe not tomorrow or next month, but it will definitely happen. And this is the major advantage of GXR over systems like X1 or DP1/2.

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The Leica and the Sigmas are single lens, single purpose cameras like the GRD, nothing to compare here. The GXR should be compared to other interchangeable lens systems. With almost everything else you can hold to your lenses as technology advances and build a meaningful collection that you can continue to use with every new sensor/camera generation. With the GXR its not just the camera that becomes obsolete your glass gets thrown away too, but what you get to keep is the battery holder. So when the next generation of chips arrives you'll start again from scratch and end up with one or two modules that you might want or not, you'll never have an up to date system, but you'll still have your old battery holder.

I might react differently if GXR came with an interchangeable mount and offered sensor upgrades without built-in disposable lens concept, but I still don't see myself wanting to hold on to the old battery holder. Its a stupid concept anyway I look at now.
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Pavel Kudrys said:

Again, the LCD freeze may be a problem for you, but many people don't even noticed this issue. It's a matter of taste and shooting style. It will not make the pictures to look worse and the quality of pictures is what really matters. At least for me? And from what I saw up to now, the A12 easily beats anything from m4/3 taken at high ISO. Both in JPEG and RAW. I have really no problem taking pictures at ISO3200. And I have to add that noise, in general, is not a problem for me! It's aggressive noise reduction that bothers me most.

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Its a problem for others too, there's plenty of people who have commented on the freezing screen and shutter lag.

The A12 is an APS sensor, so please compare its high iso qualities to other cameras with similar type sensor, m4/3 isn't the same.

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A12 AF speed is maybe not the fastest one, but it's not worse than AF of direct competitors (except the GF1) or even most DSLRs in the LiveView mode. In another post you mentioned D5000. Did you try it in LiveView mode? Because this is exactly what GXR A12 AF is about. Sensor-based contrast detection AF, which is very slow in nearly all DSLRs. My friend's D90 is not an exception. In LiveView, it's as slow (if not slower) than A12 AF!

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Again, its not just speed, its combination of speed, screen freeze and shutter lag, speed alone wouldn't have been an issue.

I didn't really bring up the D5000, never even seen one, just mentioned that there's a variety of lenses available to it.

Pavel Kudrys said:

I believe Ricoh will eventually improve the reliability of AF (mainly to stop hunting for focus) and maybe add some AF helpers. I personally don't believe in dramatic changes in A12 AF speed but some focus assistance helpers would be greatly welcome. And there is a lot of things Ricoh can do in this matter. Let's wait and see.

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Whatever improvements Ricoh might offer in futures modules, your current lenses will be excluded from it, the GXR module concept made sure of that!

Pavel Kudrys said:

GXR is not only about multi sensor modules and I seriously doubt it was ever intended to be a competition killer? Ricoh always did cameras in their "expensive niche" way and GXR is not exception.

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Its not about special or niche with the GXR, its a dead end. You really don't see the throw away lens part as a problem?

Pavel Kudrys said:

I love the expansion possibilities introduced with GXR.

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You can't expand the GXR you're always starting from scratch with every new upgrade. And its not as if they're going to give you any kind of range of glass to go along with the newer technology, you're stuck with whatever they have at the time.

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Pavel Kudrys said:

Tiny backup HDD,

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Are you kidding? Do you think with all the new high capacity cards coming out and multi card capabilities becoming the norm in new cameras you'll need that HDD. But I forgot, you get to keep your GXR card/battery holder, so you're again stuck with what they offer now. Anyway, there are already quite a few of these hds available today.

Pavel Kudrys said:

small printer

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Fuji & Canon both have them right now, Polaroid might have one out soon too.

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or even small projector that can be attached instead of lens module looks like very interesting option for travels and parties.

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Nikon has a camera with built in projector and mini projectors are available from several vendors.

Pavel Kudrys said:

People want to see GXR as m4/3 competition, which is not and was never meant to be. And this is what people misunderstood about GXR.

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I don't see it that way, m4/3 is a different animal, I reject the GXR because I understand it well.

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I'd rather Ricoh came out with a high end compact with a high end sensor and fewer bugs, charge us once rather than piece-mealing us with this schlock over time. Please tell me what's so special about GXR's IQ that you can't get from cameras less than half its price? You don't even have the flexibility of a dslr or a micro 4/3 camera.

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High-end compact with so called high-end sensor (I really don't understand what's wrong about sensor in A12?) would not change much.

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Limited DR and mediocre resolution.

Pavel Kudrys said:

It would not be much smaller than current GXR body,

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that's fine, GXR is compact enough.

Pavel Kudrys said:

there would be the same AF issues, because sensor-based contrast detection is simply slow method of focus (especially with large sensors), and it will lost the GXR expandability.

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Why?

It will just turn into yet another expensive X1 and people would start to complain about the need to buy multiple cameras only to get the different focal lengths. Sorry, but I really don't see the advantage of X1 (DP1/2) concept over the GXR? With GXR, you still have a prospect of future expandability. Something you will not have with X1 or DP1/2. But yes, I would like to see also a compact camera in DP1/2 style in Ricoh product range. I mean really pocketable camera with large sensor and fixed lens.

X1 and DP cameras weren't what I was talking about. What I mentioned was a compact, high end body with a series of interchangeable lenses. None of this module none-sense.

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For one thing the GRD never froze on me, I never missed a shot because of it. The GRD concept was very clear from day one, a very precise tool. GXR is no GRD and is handicapped by its nothingness.

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Well, I missed many shots with GRDI just because of slow RAW writing. And even GRDI JPEG writing was nothing miraculous. An this I consider much worse issue than any screen freeze.

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Fair enough, to each his own.

Pavel Kudrys said:

As I said, what bothers you does not bother me. The point is, that we all have different priorities and requirements. And calling the GXR concept a "marketing bs and gimmick" is in my humble opinion rude to anyone involved in this system. Either the GXR developers and all happy users. Just my point of view.

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On the contrary, I feel that GXR developers are insulting my intelligence with this gimmick. Even worse, I bought into the hype.

I'm really sorry if you feel insulted Pavel, not my intention, but I have a right to my opinion as do you to yours.

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Hello

pavel with all due respect , you are losing your time arguing with DDK .

DDK is not looking to make a point outside the fact that he is angry with a camera that he owned for 2 months and could not get to work to his satisfaction.

I have seen a few usesrs make valid comments on the GXR compared to what's available but let's face it . Most of the recent Ricoh GXR threads are being hijacked by trollers with a personal agenda to bash what they don't like

Those three are shouting the same thing over and over again , hoping to get some resonance and to be able to blame the camera for not being able to use it right or buying a camera which was obviously made for them in the first place

as for David postings , there is enough in that thread to show " intellectual dishonesty' in his threads. I know this is a strong word but let me illustrate that for those of you with an "open mind"

" Picking up random sensors and matching them individually to different lenses in this way, and actually expecting quality" (DDK quote)

this is right off the bat , a show of bad faith. who are you to say that Ricoh is picking up random sensors. This is making a false assertion to start with and developing on a wrong premise

No need to go into that one much further . the GXR A12 sensor is called by many serious review sites the best APS sensor at the moment and has been used on such good cameras like D90, D300, Pentax K-x
to have this sensor available on a non-dslr is a great option

"GXR's focusing system IS really BAD; by any standards" (DDK quote)
ANY standard ?

if I remember well, when the Ep1 came out , there was the same claim that the slow AF on the camera made it unusable
the Ep2 has basically identical AF and that does not seem to be an issue anymore

ALL compact use contract AF that is by definition slower than phase detection on DSLR

panasonic on the GF1 has a contrast AF which is noticeably faster than contrast AF of all compact cameras but is still no match for DSLR

All of this is well documented and if you are looking for a compact which as quick to focus as DSLR, you won't find it

"incessant freezing screen and the maddening shutter lag" (DDK quote)

some people have talked about screen freeze but you are the only one to call it incessant

'They don't try to sell you 2nd rate sensors (DDK quote)

This I think is a very telling example of your bias . NOBODY has called that sony sensor second rate ( see above), But you seem so eager to bash the camera that you would stop at nothing , including such a ridiculous assertion of the sony sensor , to try to make a point. Pathetic really...

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more of the ddk bs

"Please tell me what's so special about GXR's IQ that you can't get from cameras less than half its price? You don't even have the flexibility of a dslr or a micro 4/3 camera".

as anyone reasonable know , a dslr offers different strengths and weaknesses
as far as m4/3rds some of us think that the GXR is a better option .

the fact that people have two different cameras with opposite philosophy should be an opportunity to rejoice to have a choice rather than having such aggressive posting from those who don't like one of the options

"there's a lot that you miss to the frozen screen" (ddk quote)

one of your threads seem to indicate that you are more upset about not seeing the shot you got than missing it altogether

anyway , this comment makes me think that either you are trying to have a compact to be as quick to focus as a DSLR ( which you won't find) or that you don't really know how to use the camera

I have used the camera for as much as you it seems and the only shots I would miss because of the AF are shots at very close distance ( less than 1 m ) handheld in dark situations

again , I think you don't really know how to use the GXR. but that's ok since you don't have it anymore. hopefully , you now have a camera that you are able to function with

"stating the truth isn't trolling" (DDK quote)

"I think that we can all agree that the fastest moving target in the digital world is sensor tech" ( ddk quote)

as I have stated many times on these forums , readers should be suspicious of these people who are speaking on behalf of everybody and that thinks that words coming out of their mouth is " speaking the truth"
I think the pretentious nature of such claims speak for itself

"So here comes Ricoh with the GXR saying to hell with that, why build a lens collection, who needs it when you can hold on to your handle and battery holder"
(DDK quote)
Now this is David speaking on behalf of Ricoh , I guess
this one is so lame that anyone should see for the troll that it is

"The S10 is moot why do I want a tiny sensor with the GXR to begin with? I have to admit to buying it and not liking it one bit." (DDK quote)

Now that makes you wonder why you bought in the first place. c ertainly , you do not need to buy a camera to know the sensor size

Now that's enough for people to decide who is believable and who is not

I have just got my additional battery and the sun is out today so I can go out and use that 'bad" camera with a "flawed" concept that you rae talking about

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Obviously you're only here to stir the pot and make things personal. This isn't even your thread, yet you can't resist. FYI dpreview.com is a camera gear forum, you should hang around facebook if all you want to do is put people down or call them names. I guess this is what you're really about and nothing more.
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Harold66 said:

more of the ddk bs

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Hilarious. Your last post warned about wasting time posting to him, then you prcoeeded to post to him! So much for self-control or doing what you preach.... all while periodically insulting him too. Perhaps you have a little too much of your emotions invested in defending Ricoh, and maybe you need to take a step back.

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A12 AF speed is maybe not the fastest one, but it's not worse than AF of direct competitors (except the GF1)

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... and the G1, and the G2, and the GH1. So the GXR is more expensive, no smaller, and has inferior AF to one of its competitors. I think in that we agree.

Pavel Kudrys said:

or even most DSLRs in the LiveView mode.

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Which is only used in discrete situations like macrophotography on a tripod, or shooting video. Never for the overwhelming use of a camera, where it uses superior, faster phase-detect AF ... which Ricoh lacks.

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D5000. Did you try it in LiveView mode? Because this is exactly what GXR A12 AF is about.

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That's a weak argument. Ricoh depends on its slow CD AF and has no other choice but to use it. Nikons have both CD for video but significantly faster and better phase-detect AF for regular, everyday still shooting. Ricoh used the only AF it could with its design, and it's not only slow, it's inferior to CD AF used by a competitor.

David and Bill
I think both of you need to think a little bit before throwing words out

you can read my latests posts. there is no "person name calling" nor are they any personal insults

What I wrote and I stand by it , is that some of your posts contain both exaggerations and ALSO things which are simply untrue

When david wrote that the GXR A12 has a second rate sensor , this is simply untrue and I know that he knows it

This can be checked easily by spending like 5 minutes on any of the 3 o4 r dslr which also use this sensor

When someone write something like that and making it sound like a fact knowing all the while that this is not true , I call that a "dishonest posting"

I don't need to take a step back to call a cat a cat.

that being said m, it is not very important issue since I doubt that with such arguments he could persuade anyone with a ounce of common sense

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Pavel Kudrys said:

I don't know like others, but I'm really happy about the pictures produced by so called " gimmick wrapped in marketing bs ".

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Pavel, I am also happy by the pictures the A12 module produces but to get there is not a very enjoyable process and a very slow one at that.

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A12 AF is maybe not the fastest one, but definitely not the slowest one (see Leica X1 timings). I don't quite understand all these complaints about AF as if the AF would be the only GXR option how to focus. Are Leica M8/M9 or Epson RD1 bad cameras only because of complete lack of AF?

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The A12 AF is simply put unacceptable and Ricoh not have released it like this, especially at such a high price point. Especially considering that their cheapest camera the CX outperforms it easily in AF speed, AF accuracy, shot to shot speed and so on.

If Ricoh wanted us to use MF only then they should have put a proper MF ring around the lens and not the stupid focus-by-wire system where you need to endlessly turn the ring just to go from 1m-5m. Sorry but RF cameras have a proper MF system and can be focused even when the camera is off, the GXR is nowhere near as good.

There is no auto magnification either, instead you have to hold the OK button to get a tiny window with mangification. This is not acceptable and very poor design, Ricoh should have looked at the Panasonic LC1 on how to implament a proper electronic MF.

As for the DP Review test, they were very kind to give it the best case scenario and help it with the timings but in real life you never get anywhere near these timings. I mean, in low light I had to turn the camera off because I got frustrated to wait for over two seconds for it to unsuccessfully try and focus. This is as bad as the Sigma DPx cameras and Ricoh deserves to be heavily criticised for this.

Now, what about the LCD screen freeze? This is unacceptable and I can't believe Ricoh went back to deliver such a poor AF after being criticised for this on the GRD II, GX200, R8 ad R10. Not even dSLRs with live view freeze the screen when using contrast detect AF.

No Pavel, the AF on the GXR is really that bad no matter how you look at it.

As for the Leica X1, it is more a fashion accessory than a real camera and everyone paying $2k fo what is essentially a Sigma DP2 jsut to have the Leica badge on the camera won't really care for it's flaws.

Pavel Kudrys said:

Just remember the GRDI with its ugly LCD, fragile rear wheel and nearly useless RAW writing speed. And where is GRD now?

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Yes, I remember it fondly and still use it with better results than from any of the subsequent cameras Ricoh has produced. The GRD I is everything the GXR is not, a fast and responsive camera which produces images with character. It is a camera for street photography, a no frills camera with limited features that all work as they should.

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I suppose we'll have to wait to see what a new firmware release will bring, but I suspect it won't make the GXR what it is not: it is not optimized to be a "street camera." That's what the GRD series is meant for, and one can argue whether Ricoh went wrong after its first iteration.

But this prompts the question: is the GXR optimized for any specific kind of photography? Well, no, not per se. It's a camera-body foundation where any kind of optimization will come from the lensors. So it's really up to Ricoh to make the 28mm lensor fast enough to do better on the street; and then produce an 85mm equivalent APC lensor fast enough (in all senses of "fast") to make available light portrait fluid.

Will they? I suppose we'll see about the 28mm come December.

please take a moment and respond to the points that I put to you below. I know its only regarding the GXR but that's really the topic of this thread and not me.
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Pavel Kudrys said:

GXR is not only about multi sensor modules and I seriously doubt it was ever intended to be a competition killer? Ricoh always did cameras in their "expensive niche" way and GXR is not exception. ... People want to see GXR as m4/3 competition, which is not and was never meant to be. And this is what people misunderstood about GXR.

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Strange how you GXR advocates keep claiming that the GXR has no competition. Pavel, you don't say it directly, but it is frequently implied and others have said it directly before in these endless threads.

Very few things have no competition. If you are the only guy selling water in the desert then you have no competition. There is always competition in the case of cameras.

And, let's face it, the smaller DSLRs and the larger-sensored compacts are GXR competition as when people look for a smallish camera with good image quality they look at these cameras and compare them. And if they don't buy the GXR, then they buy the GF-1, EP-1, Sigma DPs or some small DSLRs.

And obviously Ricoh would like to sell many of them, otherwise the system won't be sustainable. And to do that, they have to provide benefits for the customer over the competition. Instead the benefits are few, but limitations are huge.

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I see one post below actually tries to compare the GXR to a Nikon DSLR to try and gain points against the GXR!!

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If you don't understand why the GXR can be compared to a DSLR then you don't understand what the thread is about.

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It's a good indication just how threatened some enthusiasts are by this innovative and courageous move, and trying to shoot it down in it's infancy shows even more fear of what the system might become in the future.

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lol. That is probably the most delusional thing I've read today.

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People have expressed a variety of wishes for the next new modules, my interest is in a flexible travel camera capable of excellent image quality (where possible) as dictated by the limitations of compact size.

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That sounds like gibberish. What does that mean? What lensor(s) do you want?

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I suppose we'll have to wait to see what a new firmware release will bring, but I suspect it won't make the GXR what it is not: it is not optimized to be a "street camera." That's what the GRD series is meant for, and one can argue whether Ricoh went wrong after its first iteration.

But this prompts the question: is the GXR optimized for any specific kind of photography? Well, no, not per se. It's a camera-body foundation where any kind of optimization will come from the lensors. So it's really up to Ricoh to make the 28mm lensor fast enough to do better on the street; and then produce an 85mm equivalent APC lensor fast enough (in all senses of "fast") to make available light portrait fluid.

Will they? I suppose we'll see about the 28mm come December.

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Problem with the GXR concept is that whatever Ricoh comes up with in the future isn't going to benefit what you already own, your lenses are disposable in this closed, module concept. The constant is your battery/holder, and you start your lens collection a new with every generation, that's if they give you the glass/sensor module that you want. Personally I don't see the benefit to this approach, you might as well buy a new camera what's the benefit of holding on to an older generation power supply?
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ddk said:

please take a moment and respond to the points that I put to you below.

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where below ?/
wait does not matter , nobody is listening anymore

I know its only regarding the GXR but that's really the topic of this thread and not me.

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judging how one-sided your comments have been, you certainly could have fooled lot of us

as they say : it is usually those who have the least to say who say it the loudest

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A travel cam with 1/1,6" sensor for 1000,- Euros?

It is a fact that you don't need to invest that much to get an image quality as lousy as that of the GXR S10 module! This module in particular is pure nonsense! A Panasonic LX3 or Fujifilm F200EXR does a better job here (the latter one has a pricetag of 200,- Euros).

In regard to the A12 module there are better and at the same time less expensive alternatives, as for example Nikon D3000 plus Nikkor 35mm/1.8G DX.
Samsung NX10 plus 30mm prime lens (pancake) is also a far better choice.
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daggochgryning said:

Samsung NX10 plus 30mm prime lens (pancake) is also a far better choice.

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Say YOU.
you are entitled to your opinion . but this one is funny.
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