Steve McCurry and "Afghan Girl"...

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An exhibition of 50 of McCurry's images at The Joseph Saxton Gallery of Photography in Canton, Ohio USA.

Of course, the centerpiece of the exhibit is the 1984 photo "Afghan Girl" which appeared on the June 1985 issue of National Geographic. The image went on to become the most recognized photo in the magazine's history.









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Shot on Kodachrome 64 of course with a Nikon 105 2.5 AIS. Funny how that all this new technology has improved upon the past 50 years of photography very little if not at all.

No camera or post processing software on earth will give you your "Afghan Girl", you have to seek it out with real talent and vision. The D4 is not going to give it to you....
 
Shot on Kodachrome 64 of course with a Nikon 105 2.5 AIS. Funny how that all this new technology has improved upon the past 50 years of photography very little if not at all.

No camera or post processing software on earth will give you your "Afghan Girl", you have to seek it out with real talent and vision. The D4 is not going to give it to you....
While that's partially true (the technology really has provided significant improvements, which benefit some photographers more than others), it's also true that no film SLR that Nikon has ever made could have been able to give you the "Afghan Girl", even the one that Steve McCurry used. It needed to be in the skilled hands of McCurry or another similarly talented photographer. Had digital cameras comparable to today's been available in the 1980's, McCurry would undoubtedly have used them and would have also gotten that shot, perhaps even have gotten some that he missed.
Befitting his technique, McCurry uses simple equipment, like his Nikon D2Xs ($4,700; nikon.com). “The controls, the dial, the menu are very logical,” he says. He also swears by Nikon’s durability. While he was on horseback in Tibet recently, McCurry’s steed went wild, sending his camera flying. After a quick dust-off, both camera and shooter worked fine. The HoodLoupe Professional ($70; hoodmanusa.com) is a loupe that fits over the camera’s LCD for glare-free reviewing.

Though he values film (and still shoots with it when appropriate), McCurry has also embraced the digital revolution. “I like being able to look at my pictures immediately,” he says. To store them, McCurry uses an Epson P-5000 viewer ($700; epsonstore.com).

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McCurry prefers Nikon lenses for their quality and interchangeability. “They’re extremely sharp and [produce] good color,” he says. In addition to fixed lenses like the Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D ($285; nikon.com), which he likes for its clarity and speed, he always carries a zoom—such as the Nikkor 17–55mm f/2.8G ($1,700)—for precision framing with limited mobility. “Like shooting the street below from the edge of a building,” he says.

Known for having an eye for natural light and location, McCurry rarely uses a flash. Still, he always brings along the Nikon SB-800 Speedlight ($420) just in case. The last time he used it was at a Tibetan monastery. “I bounced the flash into the ceiling, creating more of a natural, soft effect,” he says. “It was that or not get the picture.”
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McCurry photographed with film for over 30 years, but today he takes his Hasselblad H3DII-39 and his Nikon D3s on assignments. His 800,000 slides keep his Flextight 848 scanner busy.

For the thirty years I’ve been a photographer, I have always shot with Nikon and always will, but late last year I began to also use the 39-megapixel H3DII in specific situations. The learning curve is virtually nonexistent. I was able to use it on an assignment in India in March-April and in Finland in June. It’s an amazing camera. The clarity and quality are superb.

The H3DII takes your photos to another level. The camera is versatile, and less cumbersome than I had anticipated, and the fact that the camera and the back are integrated and manufactured by the same company adds another level of value.

This camera captures a lot of information, so we can capture Kodachrome-type colors and the rendering is beautiful. Ironically, since getting the H3DII, we have been working almost exclusively in black & white on a worldwide project for a multi-national company. The large file size means the information is much, much better, as are the transitions between the tonalities of the gray scale, so the images are much better. With the H3DII, the images have much more information and much less noise.

For exhibitions, I was used to making prints up to 30”x40” from my DSLR files. With the H3DII-39, we output prints 40”x60” and even larger. The clarity and quality are wonderful. We output most exhibition prints in our studio on the Epson 44-inch Stylus Pro 9880 on Epson’s Premium Luster Paper.
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An exhibition of 50 of McCurry's images at The Joseph Saxton Gallery of Photography in Canton, Ohio USA.

Of course, the centerpiece of the exhibit is the 1984 photo "Afghan Girl" which appeared on the June 1985 issue of National Geographic. The image went on to become the most recognized photo in the magazine's history.







you took them with d3s
excellent sharpness and smooth image
 
It is one of my most favourite images (Im probable not the only one...)
No camera or post processing software on earth will give you your "Afghan Girl", you have to seek it out with real talent and vision. The D4 is not going to give it to you....
Sure it will, more dramatic more intence, more special, more bigger, more sharper all is possible.

However there will never be an Afghan girl of McCurry, and that is the difference between film and digital, you can't 'steal' originality from film.

Michel

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Shot on Kodachrome 64 of course with a Nikon 105 2.5 AIS. Funny how that all this new technology has improved upon the past 50 years of photography very little if not at all.
Oh yes, photography overall has improved greatly. You can always pick a single old good image and claim "oh, look, nobody needs modern technology". What you are conveniently ignoring are all the thousands of failed and missed images back then that would have not been failed or missed today with modern equipment.

There are more good images taken by talented photographers today then it was back in nostalgia times. There are also millions and millions of not so good images taken by many not so talented photographers (like me, for one example :) ). But do not let those images cloud the fact that those with real talent have much better odds of getting a new "Afgan Girl" photo today then they used to. Also, since godo photographic gear is much more accessible today, talents with less resource get much more and better chanaces today then they did back then.

In these forums one can often read arguments along the lines of "really good photographers do not need advanced equipment, because they have such talent".

Talent is essential to produce good images, that is very true. I have never really heard anyone claim otherwise. But why do some pople here seem to imply that technology somehow ruins talent?

I have spoken to and interviewed many very good photographers over the years and oddly enough, almost all of them really like what the new technology brings. Contrary to what some people argue here, these talented photographers appear to love the modern digital cameras with their high sensitivities, the zooms, the high framerates and all those other'gadgets' that some forum participants seem so offended by.

Why? Probably because they do not live under the illusion that better possibilities or more ease of use is somehow detrimental to talent. A talented photographer with good modern equipment will always get more and better images then a similarily talented photographer with and old and much more limiting equipment.
No camera or post processing software on earth will give you your "Afghan Girl", you have to seek it out with real talent and vision. The D4 is not going to give it to you....
Of course talent and vision is crucial to get images like the "Afgan Girl", but why would a D4 somehow ruin that talent and make such a shot impossible to get?

Talent and vision always benefit from better possibilities.

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By the way, film is not dead.
It just smell funny
 
Shot on Kodachrome 64 of course with a Nikon 105 2.5 AIS. Funny how that all this new technology has improved upon the past 50 years of photography very little if not at all.
Yep I agree with you 100%
No camera or post processing software on earth will give you your "Afghan Girl", you have to seek it out with real talent and vision. The D4 is not going to give it to you....
Very good statement, I agree again!

M.
 
Our attention is divided over MANY mediums; Still, 3d, video, 3dvideo, flash presentations, power point presentations, etc etc etc.

Back when this picture got famous there were fewer mediums vying for our attention. The chance that you even SAW this image was much higher, because there were fewer things to grab your attention. Fewer TV channels, no internet, no DVDs, and few places to record content for the VHS/BETAmax of the time.

Today, a single picture won't get famous like this one did. If asked, lots of people would possibly mention a youtube video, or a TV commercial or those ugly light opera singers on Britain's got talent before they would single out a still picture.
Times have changed, and continue to change.

This picture is a product of the times as much as it is a great picture. In my unhumble opinion, this picture is little proof of digital vrs analog, or even talent vrs no talent.

If this picture showed up today, it would disappear in the mass stuff we might see daily.

And just to prove my point, I bet that everyone who reads this post can name those two light opera singers even though they are not considered good singers by real musicians. Then try to do the same thing with a still picture. Try to find a modern one that EVERYONE has seen and or draws passion. I doubt you can. (maybe the guy in front of the tank, or the vietnam execution--- oops those were taken a while ago.)

(Oh yeah, I like this picture, too.)
Guy Moscoso
 
I started photographying on Kodachorme 64, on another century... back on 1972...
It took me years to master that very difficult (and fabulous) filme media.

Latter on, I converted to digital photography, just to find out how much easier everything is...
I still do slides, everytime I can use the 2 media...

I just wanted to see all the "genius" of digital SLR photography use the Kodachrome... and then cry about the results....
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Shot on Kodachrome 64 of course with a Nikon 105 2.5 AIS. Funny how that all this new technology has improved upon the past 50 years of photography very little if not at all.
Yep I agree with you 100%
No camera or post processing software on earth will give you your "Afghan Girl", you have to seek it out with real talent and vision. The D4 is not going to give it to you....
Very good statement, I agree again!

M.
 
Shot on Kodachrome 64 of course with a Nikon 105 2.5 AIS. Funny how that all this new technology has improved upon the past 50 years of photography very little if not at all.
Yep I agree with you 100%
100% agreement? Then why on earth are you using so much of today's supremely expensive camera technology instead of gear from yesteryear, such as Nikon's 35mm film SLRs, which can be had for a pittance? Here are some quotes from your very recent posts :
I also use a D3X which is a brilliant camera, but MF is a step above.
I have two MF-Cameras, one digi and one film. If you ever get one, you will find out how great it is, not have an AA-Filter on the sensor. But the best is still the colour rendering from the Dalsa and Kodak CCD's.
Luis, the best price/value kit at the moment is the Phase One Kit with Mamiya and 22 MP Leaf back.

The Phase One kit is a good resolution camera plus back with 12 stops dynamic range in 4:3 format. While the Leaf produces some not so accurate colors, it produces far superior skin tones than the Hassy or Phase One counterparts and presents a nice transparency-like image. It’s software is also extremely easy to use, also the new Phase One 5 is included in the package. What get lost in accurate color rendition it more than gained back in speed of workflow and skin tone feel. Also the big touchscreen is nice thing to have, although I shoot the most of the time tethered to the computer.
D3X is my main camera and D3 for low light work, but to be honest the D3 collects dust at the moment...

I would recommend the same combo D3X and D3s.

But why don't you get 2 Mark IV's? Switching is expensive when you need to buy all the the high end lenses too. I think the new Mark IV is an outstanding camera and is not behind the D3s (except ISO past 6400, but that's the only limitation)
I've seen you're interested in the 7D. It is a very good camera and can recommend it to anyone. I have an eye on the Mark IV...
And in responding to a post dealing with the "LEICA M8x/M9 ONLY - B&W Open Subject" challenge :
I agree Rudi, great Images there. Typical Leica magic, but some can't see the difference ;)
These statements of yours seem at odds with your agreement with "all this new technology has improved upon the past 50 years of photography very little if not at all.", and that's not just a slight agreement but a 100% agreement. How odd. I took a quick look at your website and see that you are very talented, but nevertheless it appears that you are wedded to, bound to, and one might also say tethered to modern technology. :)
 
Oh yes, photography overall has improved greatly.
A famous oil painter friend and I were having dinner at her home in the Fall. I had just got done showing her and her guests a slideshow of very recent Kodachrome images. I had brought a couple books along, including "The Creation" by the late Ernst Haas. By the time she got 2/3rds through the book, she asked me "Why don't people SEE like this anymore?"

I told her that I was not sure, but it might be the intrepid nature of seeing undistracted is lost in digital, but it is also most certainly that with a film like Kodachrome, you have to become a master of light and sensing it's wrap around things before you even take out the meter, there are few if any options around this if you are to be precise in your imagery. But today, there is so much flexibility that it is easier to simply "get away" with more in your exposures and quite frankly, all the options can have a sterilizing nature in how you connect with the given medium, photoshop giving the most "Options" of all.

It's like getting off of the horse to inspect the hoofs every step it takes, the ride is interrupted constantly, the option to do so killing the rhythm of the ride.

So I disagree, as a professional, I see tons of imagery, I know a lot of these guys and I see very little real imagery that has improved upon the greatest images of our time. At once, I thought it was just nostalgia too or that we are now awash in a sea of images. But there really is something missing, and what it has been replaced with is well, sterile or worse...fake.

When I look at my copy of "South-Southeast" that was shot mostly on Kodachrome 64 and 200, it has a certain texture, a luminance if you will..

http://www.amazon.com/South-Southeast-Steve-McCurry/dp/0714839388/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268581489&sr=1-7

And then I look at "India's Nomads" in a recent Geographic article and that luminance is virtually gone. The images are still nice, but the feel of it is too smooth, too un-real compared to what I have come to expect from him...

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/02/nomads/mccurry-photography

I see this difference and to my delight, young people see it too. So some of us have a more balanced diet of both digital and film use. The last three magazine assignments I have done have all been on film in my blad. The book project I am working on is all on Kodachrome, it looks far better now than it did when I was young, it is simply stunning and to the point.

I am not knocking digital, I am merely knocking the notion that it has improved photography as much as many say it has when it clearly has not. To me, image quality is not a measured scientific absolute, it is the totality of what is in the frame and if it is good or not.

I find this thread to be the perfect venue to express that experience.....
 
Sound and reasonable comments on your part. I've always have been mesmerized by the fame this picture has attained. Sure it's a great picture, that haunting glance, it's compelling and all that, but why as it been singled out? Little did I realise when I received my NG issue back in the days, that I was looking at an iconic picture.

Seems that people have an urge to place a value on an object of art in order to reasure themselves they're looking at the ultimate picture, something to put on a pedestal and idolize....Think of the Mona Lisa. When the hype machine starts spinning, the piece of art becomes an indisputable idol: you'd better watch out before questioning it's value. OK, I'm putting on my fire suit.
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A famous oil painter friend and I were having dinner at her home in the Fall. I had just got done showing her and her guests a slideshow of very recent Kodachrome images. I had brought a couple books along, including "The Creation" by the late Ernst Haas. By the time she got 2/3rds through the book, she asked me "Why don't people SEE like this anymore?"
Because styles of expression changes, because taste in what constitutes a good vibrant image changes ... Generally things just change. I see a lot of old photography that is very good, true. But I also see a lot of images today nobody could do in the film days. I do have a bias for sport images since that is what i mainly do, and belive me, many old sports images stink, they really do. There so many wonderful moments that get captured today, at all, and without destructive flash illumination, without horrible grain. I also see wildlife images that capture the nature of birds and animals, not just (by necessity) images of animals or birds sitting very still. You see what animals do , and how they do it.
I told her that I was not sure, but it might be the intrepid nature of seeing undistracted is lost in digital, but it is also most certainly that with a film like Kodachrome, you have to become a master of light and sensing it's wrap around things before you even take out the meter, there are few if any options around this if you are to be precise in your imagery. But today, there is so much flexibility that it is easier to simply "get away" with more in your exposures and quite frankly, all the options can have a sterilizing nature in how you connect with the given medium, photoshop giving the most "Options" of all.
I shot Kodachrome for 15 years, and I do not miss it for a second. Everything you can do with Kodachrome, you can also do with a digital camera. Don't blame the technology - we could get away with that in the film days since technolgy really was very limiting then - but today there is no one but the photographer to blame if an image is sterile or lacks message.
It's like getting off of the horse to inspect the hoofs every step it takes, the ride is interrupted constantly, the option to do so killing the rhythm of the ride.
To me film cameras were much more of an interruption, more distracting. Gear is at its best when you can forget about it, just use it and really focus on the image itself. For me this is how digital works. With film I had always to watch out for this or that. Today, with digital, I find I can much more focus on the actual images , not my camera and lenses.
So I disagree, as a professional, I see tons of imagery, I know a lot of these guys and I see very little real imagery that has improved upon the greatest images of our time. At once, I thought it was just nostalgia too or that we are now awash in a sea of images. But there really is something missing, and what it has been replaced with is well, sterile or worse...fake.
I see lots of images today, mainly sports and wildlife (since that is what I do, that is what I tend to look at) who are so much better then older images from similar settings and situations. Images who convey the skill, the passion of athletes, action images of birds capturing their prey, images of magic moments ... Images that were not captured in the old days simply because nobody could.
When I look at my copy of "South-Southeast" that was shot mostly on Kodachrome 64 and 200, it has a certain texture, a luminance if you will..
I have some old Kodachrome images I love and has blown up to sit on my walls for inspiration and to trigger my memories ... But honestly, there is not a single one of them I could not have done better with my D3, and there are so many images I can bring up in my memory that never made it on to film because it was to dark, because a situation unfolded to fast for me to keep up, or because I was busy changing films ...
http://www.amazon.com/South-Southeast-Steve-McCurry/dp/0714839388/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268581489&sr=1-7

And then I look at "India's Nomads" in a recent Geographic article and that luminance is virtually gone. The images are still nice, but the feel of it is too smooth, too un-real compared to what I have come to expect from him...

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/02/nomads/mccurry-photography
He probably has choosen a slightly differnt style, and you might not like that style. People change, their styles of expression changes with them.
I see this difference and to my delight, young people see it too. So some of us have a more balanced diet of both digital and film use. The last three magazine assignments I have done have all been on film in my blad. The book project I am working on is all on Kodachrome, it looks far better now than it did when I was young, it is simply stunning and to the point.
Well, you have learned and picked up in your skills - that is a good thing :)
I am not knocking digital, I am merely knocking the notion that it has improved photography as much as many say it has when it clearly has not. To me, image quality is not a measured scientific absolute, it is the totality of what is in the frame and if it is good or not.
To me photography really has improved, in so many ways. It is cheaper, it is more open and accessible to more people, and also I see so many good images I never saw 20 years ago. Mind you - image styles have changed and I am not overly enthusiastic of all these changes I see, but that is just because I am old and grumpy leftover from days long past ... ;)
I find this thread to be the perfect venue to express that experience.....
And for me to extress the opposite opinion :)

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I am not knocking digital, I am merely knocking the notion that it has improved photography as much as many say it has when it clearly has not. To me, image quality is not a measured scientific absolute, it is the totality of what is in the frame and if it is good or not.
To me photography really has improved, in so many ways. It is cheaper, it is more open and accessible to more people, and also I see so many good images I never saw 20 years ago. Mind you - image styles have changed and I am not overly enthusiastic of all these changes I see, but that is just because I am old and grumpy leftover from days long past ... ;)
Actually, Dan Nikon's posts rarely miss an opportunity to knock digital. His name sounded vaguely familiar so I checked his recent posts and found that all of them, going back two months had the same tagline (below), but it's curiously missing from the two posts he made to this thread :
'Digital is like shaved legs on a man - very smooth and clean but there is something acutely disconcerting about it.'
I then spot checked some of his posts and discovered that with only a very small number of exceptions, the same tagline was used for the last two years and most of the two-year-old posts didn't use it so I stopped checking there. I did discover a brief recent exchange we had where I mentioned that he seemed to be quite unhappy/angry and sure enough, among the older posts other people noticed that as well. He's apparently now a confirmed film chauvinist that abhors not only "Photoshop trickery" but lost respect for Ansel Adams as well when he discovered Ansel's darkroom trickery, because it results in "fake" images. Here's a small sampling from his replies, starting with our exchange :
Why is that enthusiasts think they have one up on pros because they enjoy taking pictures more?
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Go ahead and chase gear and post your happy snaps to smugmug, I have a life to live and it is about photographs, not gear.
Wow, you don't sound like you're a very happy guy no matter how much fun some photographers are having. This is not a good time for many of them, causing them to have to work much harder now while earning less, resulting in many of them having to leave their professions. Enjoy whatever life you're living, but it doesn't seem that your smug mug will often be seen in many of the "happy snaps" you're ridiculing.
As far as the "Smugmug" comment goes, it just seems to me that people place a big emphasis on gear and then you look at their work and it has serious room for improvement that no gear will fix. It's like digital has made people creatively lazy, they strive for technical attributes like the nauseating static object bokeh contests and their images are totally lacking, no real content.
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Have a great day, or have an even better day and get off of this terrible for your soul site and make even better images....I am..:-)


Continuing . . .
I am sure the 16-35 at 16 is going to be sharper than the 17-35 at 17, but I just can not use these lenses while on climbs, ski trips, mountaineering, they stick out too much, total BS.

If this lens were a 20-35 F/4 that was a pound, 3-3.5 inches long, I would have POUNCED on it, but this 5 inch long wide lens garbage is for the birds...

Not a single client of mine can stand the trite digital garbage that amateurs often spew out.

I agree with Dan's quote. In all it's 'so called' perfection, there is something that is disconcerting about digital to many of us. Some of us like the 'so called' imperfections (if you want to call it that) some of you might say about analog.
It is what it is guys, what village would be complete without the village idiot, right?

I love digital, I am excited about my future with it, but not for stills . . .

Carry on with your film crusade Dan, but I have to tell you, not many people are listening.
I think digital is pretty awesome, but I like film better, so I am pretty much back to it nearly full time

Having shot film professionally for 20+ years and digital for 16, I gladly went back. I am down to one digital body and up to 9 film rigs.
I'll always have a decent digital body around, but I am done with it for the most part, blech!

Personally, when Kodachrome is gone, I am done with color film and will only shoot it in digital. But as most of my work post Kodachrome will be black and white, it will still be mostly film.

All photographers consider and talk about gear, that's the way it is. This stuff is often fun to use and well made, it is natural to talk shop.

However, it does get a bit nauseating around this particular site. And when you read some of the stuff that gets posted, you know it is total left field, arm chair idiot B/S and it just seems so wasteful of anyone's time to even engage in it.

In an age of photoshop trickery, meaningless images that leave nothing of value to those who might view them in the future, I can easily see why the time tested tradition of the Leica M is vastly misunderstood.

Ah, who gives a cr@p, I do what I need to in order to get the most out my life, not everyone else's. It's not a crime to be over the digital band wagon after nearly two decades of using it.

I know what I want to see in my work and I have decided that I want to keep it as far away from a computer as possible, because I don't even want the question to arise, so I want to keep clear of it. And for the record, digital will become something in my future work, it will be what I use to do full motion work. Stills will be all film, all darkroom unless going in a mag.
 
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evocative work, i think.

'afghan girl' is iconic but mccurry has better in his portfolio, something that doesn't get enough attention...and he is acutely aware of that.

while i often get nostalgic about slide film (provia and astia - i'm younger :D) another response to this post noted that not just technology changes but the subjective viewpoint of the individual viewer or of 'society' as a viewer and i must agree. i teach photography to lots of kids who have never loaded a roll of film in their life and they often don't see the same thing as i do...though a great photo is a great photo, regardless of media or equipment. on that point i will surely agree with you...you can buy a d3x and a boatload of expensive glass and you will take worse pictures than someone with a digicam and a boatload of talent.

anyway, i think that james nachtwey takes superior photos to many of the revered masters and has continued to produce astonishing output in the digital age.

that said, i'm also guilty of shooting black and white film...i can't get the same dark and dirty feel with digital that i get from ilford delta 3200 and kodak tri-x.

the amazing thing about being a photographer right now is that we don't have to choose...we can shoot both. and things that used to be out of my reach financially -- like medium format film cameras -- are now rock-bottom cheap. as are scanners to digitize them and i am better at and more willing to experiment with my images in photoshop than i was in the darkroom.

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16 billions web sites and counting (20% are porn sites), 3 billion photos on Flickr alone, lots of distractions, difficult to find talent, sucks
Our attention is divided over MANY mediums; Still, 3d, video, 3dvideo, flash presentations, power point presentations, etc etc etc.

Back when this picture got famous there were fewer mediums vying for our attention. The chance that you even SAW this image was much higher, because there were fewer things to grab your attention. Fewer TV channels, no internet, no DVDs, and few places to record content for the VHS/BETAmax of the time.

Today, a single picture won't get famous like this one did. If asked, lots of people would possibly mention a youtube video, or a TV commercial or those ugly light opera singers on Britain's got talent before they would single out a still picture.
Times have changed, and continue to change.

This picture is a product of the times as much as it is a great picture. In my unhumble opinion, this picture is little proof of digital vrs analog, or even talent vrs no talent.

If this picture showed up today, it would disappear in the mass stuff we might see daily.

And just to prove my point, I bet that everyone who reads this post can name those two light opera singers even though they are not considered good singers by real musicians. Then try to do the same thing with a still picture. Try to find a modern one that EVERYONE has seen and or draws passion. I doubt you can. (maybe the guy in front of the tank, or the vietnam execution--- oops those were taken a while ago.)

(Oh yeah, I like this picture, too.)
Guy Moscoso
 
Nice try in doing something only an insecure person would do. I am not knocking digital, I can assure you I have more experience with it than you and always will because I always use it in some way or another. Lets have a shoot-off when I come out to NYC in June, in digital so you can see I have no problem with either medium in terms of working the sh_t out of it..

What I am knocking is the hype and until I see your work, if it is good or not, what you say does not add up to much. The work matters and if you shoot boring photos in high res, latest and greatest digital, you just have bigger boring pictures or boring pictures that are no longer blurry because the camera is set at ISO 6,400.

Try getting in different circles to get the big picture in terms of opinions, attend events that focus on photography, where they hand out awards for photos, not gear, attend Look3, talk to Mary Ellen Mark, Michael Kenna, talk to people who are tired of the hype and still, to this day make far better photos than you.

I am a very happy person by the way, you seem to get off on trying to say otherwise, pretty sad, don't you think?

Now I get to bill this job out and get the heck off of here and go shoot, for fun, for a passion and get paid...

So everyone, try not to take offense, but get out into to different circles, otherwise you are going to think that the "dpreview challenge" is the only measure of a great photo and that this site is the foremost authority on photography and that digital is better than anything, which it clearly is not.

Logging out & getting real...
I then spot checked some of his posts and discovered that with only a very small number of exceptions, the same tagline was used for the last two years and most of the two-year-old posts didn't use it so I stopped checking there. I did discover a brief recent exchange we had where I mentioned that he seemed to be quite unhappy/angry and sure enough, among the older posts other people noticed that as well. He's apparently now a confirmed film chauvinist that abhors not only "Photoshop trickery" but lost respect for Ansel Adams as well when he discovered Ansel's darkroom trickery, because it results in "fake" images. Here's a small sampling from his replies, starting with our exchange :
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'Digital is like shaved legs on a man - very smooth and clean but there is something
acutely disconcerting about it.'
 
Try getting in different circles to get the big picture in terms of opinions, attend events that focus on photography, where they hand out awards for photos, not gear, attend Look3, talk to Mary Ellen Mark, Michael Kenna, talk to people who are tired of the hype and still, to this day make far better photos than you.
amen. i've never seen magic in equipment, though i've seen it in light, subject and the mind's eye...and the photographer's ability to get all of that right. worry less, shoot more.

dave
 
It's OK, I have seen better in terms of mood and emotive content.
'afghan girl' is iconic but mccurry has better in his portfolio, something that doesn't get enough attention...and he is acutely aware of that.
Yes, I have talked to him personally about that and I agree.
while i often get nostalgic about slide film (provia and astia - i'm younger :D) another response to this post noted that not just technology changes but the subjective viewpoint of the individual viewer or of 'society' as a viewer and i must agree. i teach photography to lots of kids who have never loaded a roll of film in their life and they often don't see the same thing as i do...though a great photo is a great photo, regardless of media or equipment. on that point i will surely agree with you...you can buy a d3x and a boatload of expensive glass and you will take worse pictures than someone with a digicam and a boatload of talent.

anyway, i think that james nachtwey takes superior photos to many of the revered masters and has continued to produce astonishing output in the digital age.
Yes and no, he had a show in Charlottesville VA that screamed film, I have a signed copy of Inferno that you can just feel the difference in it. His stuff is still good, but like McCurry's late work, something akin to his specific and signature look has been markedly subdued by the use of digital.
that said, i'm also guilty of shooting black and white film...i can't get the same dark and dirty feel with digital that i get from ilford delta 3200 and kodak tri-x.

the amazing thing about being a photographer right now is that we don't have to choose...we can shoot both. and things that used to be out of my reach financially -- like medium format film cameras -- are now rock-bottom cheap. as are scanners to digitize them and i am better at and more willing to experiment with my images in photoshop than i was in the darkroom.
My last three assignments were with those black and white films in my Blads, in one case, I brought actual darkroom prints to a story budget meeting, everyone really enjoyed that, they doubled the space for the story, shot on Delta 3,200.

A good friend of mine in Utah did a story with an old Crown Graphic for a magazine I am doing a piece for right now, he is in his late 20's. They loved it, approved my film budget for my piece as well.

We don't have to choose, we just have to shoot and the best images we can and not buy into the digital hype all the time...
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'Digital is like shaved legs on a man - very smooth and clean but there is something
acutely disconcerting about it.'
 

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