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I will be VERY surprised if there is a LX4. It doesn't follow Panasonic's obvious new strategy of sucking everyone in to the interchangeable lens world (only for Panasonic to produce few lenses).

If I didn't know better, I'd think we were getting punked by Panasonic.

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Cebu_Boy said:
thats true f3.5 lens. but if sony can perform noise free with higher ISO then that should help/offset the slower lens right? but the question is "if sony can perform great in higher ISO".
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The key in P&S camera's is a fast lens. Most, if not all of these cams get in trouble with higher iso's. The faster the lens, the better and that's why I am interested in the LX3, and not in a slower lens P&S, 'even' if they can handle higher iso's better. The best way to get clean images is to stay at low iso's, and that's only possible with a fast lens. (That is, in dim light situations of course.)
 
phototherapy said:
If the LX4 is delayed for some reason, the new Samsung TL500 EX1 will be a tough one to beat by the LX3 !!! even Nikon is supposed to come out with a simular sort of camera, so competition is increasing.
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The TL500 is being called the "LX3 killer," and it certainly seems like that on paper. We'll see how it pans out, but I have high hopes for this camera. If the successor to the LX3 is not imminent (perhaps because Panasonic doesn't want to take attention away from its M4/3 offerings), the TL500 may have the field to itself.

Bob
 
I fail to see what's so killer about the TL500. Sure the sensor is marginally larger than the one in the LX3 but except for that, there isn't much spectacular about the Samsung. Optical zooming is a dismissive 0.5x better and is not something that would make most LX3 owners upgrade. The biggest plus is the AMOLED screen which sadly cannot be put to optimal usage because the camera only has support for VGA recording.

Bottom line is that the improvements over the LX3 is small given how long the Lumix has been on the market. The real LX3 killer is E-PL1 which offer much larger benefits than the TL500. My message to Samsung is: Too little, too late. Just wait another 6 months or so and you'll see Olympus or Sony announcing affordable entry level m4/3 cameras to reel in prospective TL500 buyers. Panasonic can protect themselves but cutting the price of the LX3 a bit but best of all, the camera has a stellar reputation while Samsung are merely duplicating.
 
Cebu_Boy said:
thats true f3.5 lens. but if sony can perform noise free with higher ISO then that should help/offset the slower lens right? but the question is "if sony can perform great in higher ISO".
Danny said:
Cebu_Boy said:
How about the Sony HX5V? Do you think this camera will change some future LX3 buyer?
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The Sony HX5V lens starts at f3.5...
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--You need to consider that the HX5V sensor is about half the size of the sensor used in LX3 ie 1/2.23" versus 1/1.6" hence the longer zoom reach. I was very interested in the HX5V with its high speed operation potentially one of the most versitile cameras out there. However Sony has had very mixed results with their BI cmos sensors according to most reports and that continues even with the latest second generation models. The problem is not low light where they do well but noise and artifacts at low ISO and good light conditions hurting IQ.

I am very puzzled that Pany has not yet produced the rumored new LX4 with 1/1.3" BI cmos sensor and I think it may have to do with problems they have found with the BI sensors IQ which are yet to be fully resolved? I think it would work well for HD video as 2/3"sensor is the standard for top pro camcorders but this may not be as good for picture IQ with the electronic shutter? Pany has already stated the GH line will be separate geared to HD video while the G line will be for best picture IQ.

Alternatively Pany may have decided to concentrate on the smaller sensor size like that used in the TZ series because of the small size of lens for greater zoom length. They were also reported on developing a super sensor for this size which looked very promising Pany claiming up to 4 times more illumination or 2 ISO stops improvement ie ISO 1600. Staying with the smaller sensor they will be able to use some very fast and wide zoom ranged lenses developed for camcorders ie like 24-450mm/f1.5-3.3!
 
Robert Deutsch said:
phototherapy said:
If the LX4 is delayed for some reason, the new Samsung TL500 EX1 will be a tough one to beat by the LX3 !!! even Nikon is supposed to come out with a simular sort of camera, so competition is increasing.
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The TL500 is being called the "LX3 killer," and it certainly seems like that on paper. We'll see how it pans out, but I have high hopes for this camera. If the successor to the LX3 is not imminent (perhaps because Panasonic doesn't want to take attention away from its M4/3 offerings), the TL500 may have the field to itself.
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-- I agree the TL500 with its faster and slightly longer lens on paper looks very good especially with the OLED swivel rear screen. However they need to enable SVGA 16:9 video by new firmware since that capability is on the Sony sensor but nobody presently implimenting it? For now LX3 with its excellent Leica lens and HD video has the advantage.
 
I would not consider the EPL1 as a LX killer simply because of the big size differential: the LX3 is pocketable while the EPL definitely not, nor body build the LX3 all solid metal the ELP1 lighter plastic and less durable. The EPL1will never be able to match the wider, much faster zoom of the LX3. The EPs will however shine with small primes.
 
Mulsanne said:
...the TL500 may have the field to itself.
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along with the LX3, S90, G11...
Mulsanne said:
...unless of course LX3 is really not a popular camera and they could care less.
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quite the contrary, on both counts.

For some reson, The LX2 and LX3 have had life cycles much longer than the average digicam. Panasonic has indicated that the GF1 and LX3 have different aims. The GF1 is not an LX3 replacement. I don't expect Panny to stray far from the original, fast, short zoom concept (which Samsung has copied).

Even so, the Samsung TL500, as well as upcoming ILC cams from Sony and Samsung, should not be taken lightly, and may have sent Panny back to the drawing board.

The G2 and G10 are competent, but Panny will have to bring out more aggressive updates to the LX and G series at Photokina in order to survive the onslaught from Sony. And who knows how Canon will respond...
 
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Thank goodness this rumor verifies that the other rumor was false.

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safaridon said:
I would not consider the EPL1 as a LX killer simply because of the big size differential: the LX3 is pocketable while the EPL definitely not,
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Right. The E-PL1 and the GF1 (which I have) are a different class of camera: not pocketable with a zoom comparable to the LX3 or TL500 (or even with a pancake prime), heavier, and more expensive. Oh, and IQ that's at a correspondingly higher level, comparable to at least entry-level DSLRs with an APS-C size sensor. The high-end compact digicams like the Canon G10 (not to be confused with the Panasonic G10), G11, Panasonic LX3, and the Samsung TL500 offer a different set of compromises. If the IQ of the TL500 is as expected, it stretches to a minor but significant extent the optical envelope created by the LX3 (f/1.8 rather than f/2.0, a bit longer zoom reach without giving up anything on the wide end), and, perhaps most important, the articulated high-definition AMOLED display. The TL500 uses the same sensor as the G11/S90, which is at least one generation more advanced than the one used by the LX3. So, yes, it could be the LX3 killer. It will also compete with the G11 and the S90 (faster lens and wider angle, but less telephoto reach).

But, of course, we'll have to see if Samsung delivers on these promises.

Bob
 
The TL500 has VGA recording so it sucks in that department... as for the lens it is smaller then the LX3 as well and it ldoesn't not look as good as the LX3 IMO
 
the never-ending search for the holy grail of cameras: a pocketable low light king with long zoom and good wide angle, continues......
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fast lens plus HD video at least 720p
Absolutic said:
the never-ending search for the holy grail of cameras: a pocketable low light king with long zoom and good wide angle, continues......
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Current gear: Nikon D300, Nikon D80, Canon 20D, Fuji F72EXR, Panasonic ZS3, Canon SD870IS.

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I am really surprised so many people think the new Samsung cam will be worth something. Especially for a company with no spectacular camera history at all..

f1.8, and then? Great if you live in a cave and need that extra little bit over the LX3 f2.0, but then the LX3 is a camera with a huge reputation and a zillion possibilities, and Samsung is going to kill all of that with their f1.8? I have yet to see that happen..
 
Danny said:
I am really surprised so many people think the new Samsung cam will be worth something. Especially for a company with no spectacular camera history at all..

f1.8, and then? Great if you live in a cave and need that extra little bit over the LX3 f2.0, but then the LX3 is a camera with a huge reputation and a zillion possibilities, and Samsung is going to kill all of that with their f1.8? I have yet to see that happen..
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It's true that Panasonic has a better track record with digicams, but if Samsung wants to get serious about this market, they have the resources to be a serious competitor. This is what dpr said about the NV10 in 2006:

"Samsung is rapidly catching up with its Japanese rivals and is finally starting to make its mark on the digital camera market with a combination of aggressive pricing, appealing styling and a dash of genuine innovation"

And "the NV10 is, undoubtedly, a lovely camera (I kept thinking; if this had a Canon or Nikon badge on it it would sell by the boat load)"

It seems that Panasonic has been concentrating on their m4/3 offerings, putting off the development of a successor to the LX3, and Samsung has beaten them to the punch. The combination of a little further reach, a little faster lens, a well-regarded sensor (used in the G11, S90, and some other cameras), and--most important--the folding AMOLED display might make the TL500 the winner--at least on points if not by a knockout.

Bob
 
I suspect that my LX3 will keep working very nicely even after the LX4 is announced in July(?) and that makes it unnecessary for me to get anxious about what will replace my LX3 - I think I'll wait until about LX7 and see what that is like.

Regards.......... Guy
 
Everybody seems to think the LX4 to be a revolutionary killer cam.
Don't think so.
Why would Pana do such a thing ?
It would kill part of the m43 market for sure !

I predict it will have a marginally better sensor (common claim), AVCHD 720 or 1080p Video and new Venus Engine FWIW ... evolutionary specs.
Lens might simply remain asis (unless Pana wants to get rid of Leica).

There will/should be at least 1 surprise/eye catcher to this LX4, because the LX4 is not to be anything like the other Pana insignificant yearly camera upgrades.

I am sure of 1 thing ... I won't expect too much because let's face it ... although Pana would be able to produce that cam-to-kill'em-all, they won't do that. Few would ever pay 1000 USD or more for a small digicam these days (unless it says Leica on a little red dot).
 
Danny said:
I am really surprised so many people think the new Samsung cam will be worth something. Especially for a company with no spectacular camera history at all..

f1.8, and then? Great if you live in a cave and need that extra little bit over the LX3 f2.0, but then the LX3 is a camera with a huge reputation and a zillion possibilities, and Samsung is going to kill all of that with their f1.8? I have yet to see that happen..
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Yes, I remember the Samsung "snorkel" that was supposed to be an FZ50 killer...whatever happened to that? 8^)

Not to say that Samsung couldn't come up through the ranks and present some amazing camera that really does become a classic, but people get anxious for new gadgets and nab onto anything that comes along, practically making it a classic before it's ever released. Then reality hits; it's released, they find out the "other side" and all the stuff that's wrong, missing, substandard, and start looking for the next miracle camera.

The more manufacturers that try to make quality cameras for real photographers, the better off we all are, but I think the credit should be given when the results come in, not when it's all speculation.

Personally, I don't feel limited at all by the LX3, no doubt it's the opposite; so I'm not looking for an upgrade. If one comes along, great, but otherwise I'm fine with what I have.

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