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IMHO to get improved noise over a D40 you would need to go full frame......

And more mp is vastly over rated.......

If better metering and focusing and video is what you are after then there are options..... but not for what you mentioned.

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Are you saying that all those beautiful bodies in between the D40 and D700 on inferior to both of those cameras.

I actually had a D700 until 2 weeks ago, so I do know the camera's ability.
However, I find the D40 very limited in the higher ISO's.

Could I be expecting too much?
genece said:
IMHO to get improved noise over a D40 you would need to go full frame......

And more mp is vastly over rated.......

If better metering and focusing and video is what you are after then there are options..... but not for what you mentioned.

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Gene from Western Pa

http://imageevent.com/grc6
http://grc225.zenfolio.com/
FZ10....20 and 30 and FZ18

D50 ....D80 - 18 to 200VR- 50mm 1.8 - 80 to 400 OS



Just trying to learn and it's slow going!
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The D700 is a full frame camera and yes its ISO preformance is very good (Superior to all DX cameras).......but it hardly fits into the D40/60/3000/5000 lineup. And I would stand by my opinion if you include the D90 and D300s into the mix......I am not saying they bare not better cameras (I would love a D300s).....But ISO wise no.... and resolution wise,I am not sold on the idea that they are better.

lets see what others think

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Gene from Western Pa

http://imageevent.com/grc6
http://grc225.zenfolio.com/
FZ10....20 and 30 and FZ18

D50 ....D80 - 18 to 200VR- 50mm 1.8 - 80 to 400 OS



Just trying to learn and it's slow going!
 
Don't have a D40 so can't talk to that. The D90 and D300s produce excellent results at ISO 1600. But both much larger than the D40 if you're looking for compact.
 
The D40 is very good at high ISOs, due to the fact that its pixels are twice as big as the D5000's. However, the D5000 performs well considering the fact that it has twice as many pixels jammed onto its APS sensor. If you want truly brilliant high ISO performance, the next stop is a full frame camera which combines large pixels with a large sensor. The Nikon D700 or Canon 5D are both very good at high ISOs.

The new 5D Mark II performs very well at high ISOs.

See also Ken Rockwell's excellent comparison of high ISO noise http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d5000/high-iso-comparison.htm

I'm out of my comfort zone here. I never shoot high ISO. The D5000 can be shot at ISO 100, by the way, which means in good light you can get close to D90 IQ.
 
I currently have both the D40 and D90.

I HAD a D700, so at this time, I am no longer interested in a larger body.

I was wondering.....is there a D40 - sized body with better ISO performance than the D40?
  • I guess, I'm just curious if the latest / greatest has at least caught up to the D90, in a smaller body.
Here's a quick shot for those unfamiliar with the D40 and D90.

D40 @ ISO 3200 1/50, F5.6



D90 @ ISO 3200 1/50, F5.6

 
Anthony said:
I currently have both the D40 and D90.

I HAD a D700, so at this time, I am no longer interested in a larger body.

I was wondering.....is there a D40 - sized body with better ISO performance than the D40?
  • I guess, I'm just curious if the latest / greatest has at least caught up to the D90, in a smaller body.
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In the Nikon line? Surely if you own a D40 a D90 and used to have a D700 you should be fairly familiar with the range by now?

The D3000 is the latest entry level camera and it has the 10 MP sensor from the D60, D40x and D80. The next step up is the D5000 which is larger than the D40 and has the D90's sensor. That's your lot.
 
Anthony said:
I currently have both the D40 and D90.

I HAD a D700, so at this time, I am no longer interested in a larger body.

I was wondering.....is there a D40 - sized body with better ISO performance than the D40?
  • I guess, I'm just curious if the latest / greatest has at least caught up to the D90, in a smaller body.
Here's a quick shot for those unfamiliar with the D40 and D90.

D40 @ ISO 3200 1/50, F5.6



D90 @ ISO 3200 1/50, F5.6

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I see noise in both but the D90 has first off, a shallower DOF and has less noise overall in the shadows but in the brighter parts of the image, they're about the same.

I think the closest would be the D5000, perhaps the D3000, the D3K still uses a CCD sensor, but at I think 12MP, the D5000 uses the same sensor as the D90, which got it from the D300, all of them CMOS 12MP sensors and as a general rule, tend to perform better than their CCD counterparts with similar MP counts.

As others have said, to get even LESS noise at high ISO, ya gotta go full frame.
 
Anthony said:
I have a D40 with 18-55, and 55-200VR. I would like improved high ISO performance in a body pretty much the same size as the D40.

As a bonus, I'm expecting a few more MP, and any other improvements I'd get from newer body.
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Maybe the D5000 and D90 since they use a CMOS sensor very similar to the D300. When I compared my D300 to our D40, I found the D300 to have about a 1-stop advantage over the D40 when shooting at high ISO in poor light. Furthermore, the D300 has a surprising amount of recoverable highlights when shooting in raw. It's one of the main reasons I'm contemplating selling my D60 (which, imo, is very similar to our D40 in image quality except that it is, perhaps, a half-stop worse at high ISO) and looking for a D90 as my travel camera.

Also, more MP can be very useful because it improves your options for cropping, especially when going from a 6mp sensor to something around 10-12mp.

I rarely print large but I find a lot of value in having more mp (as long as it doesn't cause a drop in high ISO ability).

larsbc
 
No such beast at this time. You really could stand to get some more lenses though. Most DX shooters should have a 35 1.8. I have one even though I have a 700

edit: well maybe the 5000 is close, but why on earth would you when you have a 90?
Anthony said:
I have a D40 with 18-55, and 55-200VR. I would like improved high ISO performance in a body pretty much the same size as the D40.

As a bonus, I'm expecting a few more MP, and any other improvements I'd get from newer body.
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Hi,

I have a D40 and its ISO performance at ISO 800+ is superior to my D80, upon which the D40 successor sensor is based (D3000). The D3000 should be better at higher ISO than the D80, but I doubt it is better than the D40.

I also have a D300s, which has very good ISO 800+ performce, but frankly the ISO performance of the D40 is very nearly as good.

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Chuck Yadmark said:
No such beast at this time. You really could stand to get some more lenses though. Most DX shooters should have a 35 1.8. I have one even though I have a 700

edit: well maybe the 5000 is close, but why on earth would you when you have a 90?
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My wife uses the D40 for indoor shooting. The camera is more interest to her, not me. :)
Chuck Yadmark said:
Anthony said:
I have a D40 with 18-55, and 55-200VR. I would like improved high ISO performance in a body pretty much the same size as the D40.

As a bonus, I'm expecting a few more MP, and any other improvements I'd get from newer body.
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Ann Arbor, MI USA

No that TC won't work with that lens, and no you're not getting that camera/lens at
that price.

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If you are dead set on the ~ the same size/weight than the D5000 is for you. It sports almost the same sensor as the D90D300. Test show the output not exactly the same, maybe a bet "inferior" but given the upgrade in pixel density/resolution there is real low noise and resoluation improvement.

The D300 and D90 offer a few more bells and whistles that more advance and sports photographers may want but from output point of view the D5K is very very close that argueing about it is like arguing if a camry is a worst car than a lexus 350.

BTW its my walkaround camera of choice and I have a D700
Anthony said:
I have a D40 with 18-55, and 55-200VR. I would like improved high ISO performance in a body pretty much the same size as the D40.

As a bonus, I'm expecting a few more MP, and any other improvements I'd get from newer body.

Input appreciated, thanks
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tyb said:
If you are dead set on the ~ the same size/weight than the D5000 is for you.
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Except the D5000 is closer in size to the D90 than the D40.

Dimensions
Nikon D40: 124 x 94 x 64 mm (4.9 x 3.7 x 2.5 in)
Nikon D5000: 127 x 104 x 80 mm (5 x 4.1 x 3.2 in)
Nikon D90: 132 x 103 x 77 mm (5.2 x 4.1 x 3 in)

Weight (including batteries)
Nikon D40: 522 g (18.4 oz)
Nikon D5000: 590 g (20.8 oz)
Nikon D90: 703 g (24.8 oz)
 
If you want better low-light performance, you'd do better to get some faster glass. You'll find a constant 2.8 zoom or a 1.8 prime makes a huge difference, and makes better use of the low-light capabilities you already have. You can't shoot at ISO 6400, but 800 is quite good, and 1600 still has possibilities with the D40.

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