For the cost of your SX110, G11 and Gigapan ($907), I could get a 450D with the 18-55IS kit lens, the 55-250IS and build my own 3D panorama head (which I did), and still have a little money left over.
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Can a P&S surpass DSLR image quality, yes, here's how...
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Lee Jay
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Me and my Little cheapo Fuji F70EXR against the average Joe with a Nikon D3X ,I would win no problem my images will blow away most.
MOST Dslr users can,t use there very large expensive cameras properly, Most don,t understand the basics of photography I see it all the time everywhere you go and it,s sad really sad .
People with all the gear and no idea make me laugh they really do and they are the most defensive of all .
MOST Dslr users can,t use there very large expensive cameras properly, Most don,t understand the basics of photography I see it all the time everywhere you go and it,s sad really sad .
People with all the gear and no idea make me laugh they really do and they are the most defensive of all .
vor
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but, you're gonna need a LOT of exposures from the P&S just to match the image quality of the dSLR... and then some to exceed it. Unless your compact camera is the Sigma DP2, with its big sensor. 
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Conventional wisdom states that if you take a DSLR with a huge sensor and a P&S with a small sensor and shoot an exposure with each of them, then compare, the DSLR will win every time. BUT consider this... What if you stitch together two shots from your P&S? Ignoring the percentage of overlap for simplicity of calculation, you have doubled the size of your virtual sensor! 4 shots = 4x sensor size, 200 shots = 200X, and so-on and so-on. Getting it yet?
I'm not putting down costly DSLRs, I'd love to save for a 7D or D300s, but I am saying that with some time and technique I can surpass the quality of a single frame DSLR exposure with the P&Ss (SX110is and G11) that I already own, a tripod and some well chosen software... If any DSLR owners are offended by this assertion, sorry - it's not my opinion, it's just science. And remember, only zealots argue with science.
vor
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this is a weak thread.
I like my S90 for a pocket camera but if you want to print large, high resolution images you would always do it with a DSLR and a good panny tripod head. The 24" x 36" and larger images from my Nikon D300 and Nodal Ninja tripod head are almost too good to be true (similiar to my prior large format 4x5 camera).
I like my S90 for a pocket camera but if you want to print large, high resolution images you would always do it with a DSLR and a good panny tripod head. The 24" x 36" and larger images from my Nikon D300 and Nodal Ninja tripod head are almost too good to be true (similiar to my prior large format 4x5 camera).
Chris Strobel
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Good point.IMO some of his earliest work is his best.I know he has been using the rebels for the past few years and a G9.
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sorry Frankie, science does not exist, its all BS.I wanted to start a new thread because the original thread I responded to went WAY off topic. DSLR owners are going to be defensive about this subject because they will interpret it as a personal attack against their personal chioice of equipment, it is not. Having said this, I'm sure that there will still be plenty who ignore that disclaimer and want to get offended anyway, so be it. This is for people like me who are wondering if they can have more fun and get better image quality with cameras they already have versus throwing money at an expensive new piece of gear which nowadays isn't easy for everyone to do. So if you have more time than money, let's start.
Sometimes it feels like flogging a dead horse trying to get some folks to think in new ways about the digital image making process, let's just call 'em "Old Dogs". The following is for those still able/wanting to learn "new tricks" and is only applicable to tripod mounted still-life/landscape/nighttime photos only, NOT ACTION! so if your thinking of being superior by popping up and saying it's not for action or handheld shots, you're too late you combative geeks! (And you KNOW who you are)
Conventional wisdom states that if you take a DSLR with a huge sensor and a P&S with a small sensor and shoot an exposure with each of them, then compare, the DSLR will win every time. BUT consider this... What if you stitch together two shots from your P&S? Ignoring the percentage of overlap for simplicity of calculation, you have doubled the size of your virtual sensor! 4 shots = 4x sensor size, 200 shots = 200X, and so-on and so-on. Getting it yet?
I can hear the argumentative types now saying, "But what about dynamic range, per pixel sharpness and noise from the smaller pixel sites?"
Do an internet search on "HDRI" "Super resolution" and "Image Stacking" for your answers. The latter two techniques were originally created to increase the resolution and decrease the noise of satellite images and astrophotography.
I'm not putting down costly DSLRs, I'd love to save for a 7D or D300s, but I am saying that with some time and technique I can surpass the quality of a single frame DSLR exposure with the P&Ss (SX110is and G11) that I already own, a tripod and some well chosen software... If any DSLR owners are offended by this assertion, sorry - it's not my opinion, it's just science. And remember, only zealots argue with science.
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and DSLR shooters do not buy P&S for quality pics (even though P&S are brilliant today).....we buy P&S for the ease, convenience, weight etc etc.
i think you should have gone down the road of framing, composition etc etc.......you know, where a good photographer can shoot with an P&S and still get excellent images......but quality? nah.
dave_bass5
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LOL, people who make blanket statements make me laugh as well.
The thread isnt about who can do what, its about the technology.
I dont think "the average Joe" was specified in the first post, maybe i missed that bit.
You must have a very large address book if you know most DSLR users as you have stated. You must know my uncle Joe at least, because he has three DSLRs ;-)
No offence meant, im just replying to your statements.
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ovrebekk
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I agree you would have to be quite a zealot to argue with thatI'm not putting down costly DSLRs, I'd love to save for a 7D or D300s, but I am saying that with some time and technique I can surpass the quality of a single frame DSLR exposure with the P&Ss (SX110is and G11) that I already own, a tripod and some well chosen software... If any DSLR owners are offended by this assertion, sorry - it's not my opinion, it's just science. And remember, only zealots argue with science.
If you compare the P&S with the DSLR in a similar scenario the DSLR will still usually come out on top.
In the end it all comes down to sensor size, and the trick you describe can be seen as a way to simulate a larger sensor with a P&S.
PaulRivers
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Certainly the title of the post is provocative, and in many cases not true - most photography doesn't involve subjects which can be photographed by stitching several photos together. Only perfectly still landscapes and buildings work. No moving people, not landscape shots with any wind whatsoever, etc.
However - if you were taking pictures that involved a scene that lended itself to stitching pictures together, seems like a compact camera suffers little or no disadvantage vs the digital slr, with the advantage that it's a lot easier to carry. Things like faster shutter and response time aren't going to matter, external flash isn't going to matter, the only difference is you might have to take a couple more shots with the compact camera to cover the same area with the same resolution. If you're stitching together all these pics anyways...
However - if you were taking pictures that involved a scene that lended itself to stitching pictures together, seems like a compact camera suffers little or no disadvantage vs the digital slr, with the advantage that it's a lot easier to carry. Things like faster shutter and response time aren't going to matter, external flash isn't going to matter, the only difference is you might have to take a couple more shots with the compact camera to cover the same area with the same resolution. If you're stitching together all these pics anyways...
FrankieJ
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An existing light shot resized to 2K for web.
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bill hansen
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That title was supposed to read "CHDK" but the marvelous screener on this forum says that's "shouting" and won't let me post it.
Anyway - I didn't know there was a CHDK for the G11. What does it do? How do you used it?
Bill
Anyway - I didn't know there was a CHDK for the G11. What does it do? How do you used it?
Bill
The small sensor p&s as of yet anyway can't do it. What it can do is provide data that "you and your skills with your computer" can use to create images that approach what the larger sensor cameras can produce. But the camera cannot do this. The computer is another tool for producing images that some find to be a very fascinating hobby. There are highly skilled folks that can produce great images in the computer without even involving a camera. It's all in what the individual prefers in the way of a hobby. To many this hobby is manipulating data on their computer to produce images that are what they desire and they are sharp enough and knowledgeable enough to develop the skills necessary to do this. To others the hobby consists of using a camera to record things they have been fortunate enough to see for future reminiscing and to share with others who may not have been fortunate enough to see these things. Many of these folks might not have the skills necessary or the desire to to learn them and spend time creating images on the computer. For these folks the camera does make a difference. The modern state of the art in point and shoot cameras can produce great images in the hands of skilled operators, but cannot do some of the things that larger sensor cameras are capable of without serious manipulation with the computer. Whether any of these things are important or not is in the eye of the individual.
bill hansen
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Radu P wrote, regarding compact cameras versus DSLRs:
And this is supposed to be a "brilliant" comment? Wow - no wonder the world is in such a mess.
stevetsi
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Forget the sensor.
The main reason why you will instantly see the difference between the P&S and the DSLR is the lens used to take the photo. End of discussion.
The main reason why you will instantly see the difference between the P&S and the DSLR is the lens used to take the photo. End of discussion.
Chris Strobel
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Its not as critical when your stitching 30 images.Its the same with 8x10 film, the lenses aren't as optically precise as their digital counter parts, and don't need to be.End of discussion
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I believe suggesting this is a more advance form of processing would be a sufficient comment to help beginners.
Maybe a beginner doesn't want to own a DSLR and this process replaces it?
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Maybe a beginner doesn't want to own a DSLR and this process replaces it?
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ROTFL!!!!A main theme of science includes the need for constant challenge ....
Ask Al Gore...
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