Voigtländer Apo-Lanthar 90mm SL II released

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Why are they releasing new versions of existing lenses? All it's doing is trashing the market value of the SLI lenses. There can't be that much demand for this new lens since it's optically identical to the SLI version (albeit with a closeup lens included). Although I'll admit a 125/2.5 SLII would sell well, and I'll buy a 180/4 SLII if they make it so long as they don't change the optics. However, simply making more SLI versions of these lenses would satisfy the market.

Now if they added autofocus to the SLII lenses that would be another story. That'll never happen, though. Instead, I heard they're putting electronics in the new lenses to detect whether they're being used on film cameras, and if not, they electrocute the photographer when the shutter is released.

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Why are they releasing new versions of existing lenses? All it's doing is trashing the market value of the SLI lenses. There can't be that much demand for this new lens since it's optically identical to the SLI version (albeit with a closeup lens included). Although I'll admit a 125/2.5 SLII would sell well, and I'll buy a 180/4 SLII if they make it so long as they don't change the optics. However, simply making more SLI versions of these lenses would satisfy the market.

Now if they added autofocus to the SLII lenses that would be another story. That'll never happen, though. Instead, I heard they're putting electronics in the new lenses to detect whether they're being used on film cameras, and if not, they electrocute the photographer when the shutter is released.

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I agree completely...why the hell is SLII? What was wrong with SLI series?

One could say that they try to add chips for easier metering with low end cameras but...most people who use this lens would have the technical ability to shoot Manual exposure anyway.

Alot o people are paying a rocketed price for the SLI, thanks to the SLII.
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What I find at least as interesting as the announcement itself is the list of mounts for this lens: C, N, Pentax. Surely that says something about market expectations.

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Why are they releasing new versions of existing lenses?
Maybe better coating?
Anyway, they were not manufactured anymore.
All it's doing is trashing the market value of the SLI lenses.
That's not so bad for those who don't own them ;-)
There can't be that much demand for this new lens since it's optically identical to the SLI version (albeit with a closeup lens included).
An entry level macro might be interesting for beginners in this field, for reasons of price.
Although I'll admit a 125/2.5 SLII would sell well, and I'll buy a 180/4 SLII if they make it so long as they don't change the optics.
Any of these two would tempt me a lot (to subsitute my Tamron SP 2,5/90, that is suffering some mecanical problems with diafragm-control)
Now if they added autofocus to the SLII lenses that would be another story.
No need for AF with macro lenses.

Cheers
Klaus
 
What I find at least as interesting as the announcement itself is the list of mounts for this lens: C, N, Pentax. Surely that says something about market expectations.

LPA
Don't look too much into this. They've always released C, N and P mounts in those series.
 
What I find at least as interesting as the announcement itself is the list of mounts for this lens: C, N, Pentax. Surely that says something about market expectations.
I tihnk it says more about how similar the Nikon and Pentax mounts are. Once you've got a Nikon version of the lens, it's only a matter of swapping out the bayonet and a couple of bits of the aperture stop-down mechanism to get a Pentax mount lens. If you can add another mount with very little extra engineering work, why not do it?
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Why are they releasing new versions of existing lenses? All it's doing is trashing the market value of the SLI lenses. There can't be that much demand for this new lens since it's optically identical to the SLI version (albeit with a closeup lens included). Although I'll admit a 125/2.5 SLII would sell well, and I'll buy a 180/4 SLII if they make it so long as they don't change the optics. However, simply making more SLI versions of these lenses would satisfy the market.
What would they care about the (perhaps inflated) market value of lenses they aren't making or selling anymore? Reintroducing the original SLI variant would have much the same effect, too; used lenses wouldn't sell for more than the new ones.

The closeup lens probably wouldn't work with the SLI variant, as the optical group is recessed quite a fair bit in the body of the lens. So while you're at it, it makes sense to change the styling to match the others in the line. (Besides, there are some subtle improvements in the ergonomics of the lens--the rubberized focus grip, and the knurling on the bit with the depth-of-field scale to provide a grip for mounting and unmounting the lens.)
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Why are they releasing new versions of existing lenses? All it's doing is trashing the market value of the SLI lenses. There can't be that much demand for this new lens since it's optically identical to the SLI version (albeit with a closeup lens included).
I don't think the 90/3.5 was ever a massive seller in the SLI version, either. However, I fear the market value of my copy will now go down :-( Still, worse things happen at sea!
Although I'll admit a 125/2.5 SLII would sell well, and I'll buy a 180/4 SLII if they make it so long as they don't change the optics. However, simply making more SLI versions of these lenses would satisfy the market.
Agreed, although I think that the branding department probably wants to see all lenses of the same line look the similar to each other.

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Why are they releasing new versions of existing lenses? All it's doing is trashing the market value of the SLI lenses. There can't be that much demand for this new lens since it's optically identical to the SLI version (albeit with a closeup lens included).
The main difference concerns the Nikon mount, the SL lenses were Ai while the SLII lenses have the CPU to communicate lens aperture info back to the camera.

(In Pentax vocabulary, it's like the old ones were K mount and the new ones were KA. So I suppose you were around when the SMC-A 50/1.4 came out complaining that Pentax had just sent the resale value of your SMC-M 50/1.4 into the toilet. Plus ca change... )

Cosina discontinued the SL series a long time ago but introduction of the SLII lenses was confined to the 40/2 Ultron and 58/1.4 Nokton for some years while the Zeiss lenses were released. Things are getting back on track with the 20/3.5 and now the 90/3.5.

The 90/3.5 SL was a nice lens, but ergonomically challenged... and as a slow tele with no close focusing, kinda useless (to be blunt). The new version seeks to address both the handling and focusing issues, but I'm still not convinced it is a worthwhile lens to own.

While the colors and bokeh are pretty awesome, but the AIS 105/2.5 (Nikon), AF 85/1.8 (Nikon) and FA 77/1.8 LTD (Pentax) make it a hard lens to justify.
 
The 90/3.5 SL was a nice lens, but ergonomically challenged... and as a slow tele with no close focusing , kinda useless (to be blunt). The new version seeks to address both the handling and focusing issues, but I'm still not convinced it is a worthwhile lens to own.
No close focus? That's certainly not what it says on the tin ...



And, FWIW, here's how close it can get ...



... and it's certainly more useful than my DA70 in that regard!

EDIT: wide-open shot with this 'kinda useless' lens:



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What I find at least as interesting as the announcement itself is the list of mounts for this lens: C, N, Pentax. Surely that says something about market expectations.
I tihnk it says more about how similar the Nikon and Pentax mounts are. Once you've got a Nikon version of the lens, it's only a matter of swapping out the bayonet and a couple of bits of the aperture stop-down mechanism to get a Pentax mount lens. If you can add another mount with very little extra engineering work, why not do it?
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What I find at least as interesting as the announcement itself is the list of mounts for this lens: C, N, Pentax. Surely that says something about market expectations.
I tihnk it says more about how similar the Nikon and Pentax mounts are. Once you've got a Nikon version of the lens, it's only a matter of swapping out the bayonet and a couple of bits of the aperture stop-down mechanism to get a Pentax mount lens. If you can add another mount with very little extra engineering work, why not do it?
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Pass the word to Sigma and Tokina, will ya? ;)
Perhaps I should have been a bit more specific: for manual focus lenses, there's not much difference. For AF lenses, it's more involved as the AF mechanics or in-lens motor circuitry likely also need redesign, as does the other in-lens electronics.

According to their web sites, every manual focus lens that Sigma and Tokina currently produce in Nikon mount is also available in Pentax mount. (All zero of them) :P
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Having considered a longer focal length lens for some time, and having been intrigued by the Voigtländer 90mm...

... I've come to wonder if the Pentax DFA 100mm Macro WR wouldn be a better option.

The Pentax focuses even closer (1:1), is half a stop faster (f/2.8), is weather-resistant, covers 35mm film too, has excellent build, rounded aperture blades, is auto-focus, and costs 699 at B&H (not much more).

Does anyone with experience with both lenses (considering the Voigtländer SL II has the same optical formula as the SL) have any comments?

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Hi

The Voigtlaender is not a Macro, only close focus (scale 1/1.8x with it's closeup-lens, only). Choosing between the two, I would prefer the Pentax (as I am doing lot of macro); there may be other reasons to use the Voigtlaender.

What would tempt me is the Voigtlaender 125 Macro, that goes up to scale 1:1 with almost the same working distance between the front element and the object as the Sigma 180, with considerably less weight and size (the sigma reduces focal length quite a lot at higher scales). The price might be similar (we will see, at least I hope so).

Regards
Klaus
 
Could you share some info? I think it might be an excellent light tele,
matching the new Zeiss quality...
It is an excellent lens in pretty much every regard. It's very sharp, has essentially no CA (both lateraly and longitudionaly), good contrast and color rendition, and handles very nicely. It's reasonably compact for a long lens, and fast enough for most uses in decent light (but not, of course, great for e.g. indoor sports). I've taken some of my very best pictures with the 180mm f/4, although admittedly the subject and lighting has more to do with it than the lens!

There is no Zeiss lens available that's comparable--the closest is their 100mm maro, which is quite a different beast. If they made a roughly equivalent lens, though, I can't think of many ways it could be noticibly superior; perhaps a little better in flare resistance, though that's not as big a concern with a telephoto lens as with a wide angle lens.
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I have the new Zeiss 100MP and love it. I'm looking for something
to complement my 3 Zeiss lens setup - 21, 35 and 100MP.
It seems like the CV 180 would really fit. Now, they have to make one :)
 
I have the new Zeiss 100MP and love it. I'm looking for something
to complement my 3 Zeiss lens setup - 21, 35 and 100MP.
It seems like the CV 180 would really fit. Now, they have to make one :)
The SL1 version is currently available new from Cameraquest.com (Stephen Gandy).

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sfa

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The main difference concerns the Nikon mount, the SL lenses were Ai while the SLII lenses have the CPU to communicate lens aperture info back to the camera.

(In Pentax vocabulary, it's like the old ones were K mount and the new ones were KA. So I suppose you were around when the SMC-A 50/1.4 came out complaining that Pentax had just sent the resale value of your SMC-M 50/1.4 into the toilet. Plus ca change... )
Except that in the Pentax world, the old ones were KA and the new ones are ... KA.
Cosina discontinued the SL series a long time ago but introduction of the SLII lenses was confined to the 40/2 Ultron and 58/1.4 Nokton for some years while the Zeiss lenses were released. Things are getting back on track with the 20/3.5 and now the 90/3.5.
And the 20/3.5 is the only one that has no SLI twin. The rest are identical optically to their SLI counterparts. And since they're all KA lenses, I stand by my original comment. They need to release a different focal length or autofocus versions of existing lenses to get my interest. I'm not going to buy a 90/3.5 to go with my 90/3.5. The Nikon customers can go for their lives, but if they're going to release a new lens in KA mount that's exactly the same as an old lens in KA mount, what's in it for me?
 

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