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I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to anything else.
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Y. Chachad
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But you got to admit that there is great details in the pictures with leaves in them. I mean even if the glass is not the best, the sensor captures great detail. I wonder how the sensor would perform with L glass in front of it :-)

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'A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.'
 
That's just my point, that the setup I am using does not have L-glass, and yet I see better images. People, it's not the just lens, it's not just the camera body, it's not just the sensor, and it's not the cameraman, but all of the above working together as a system in harmony.

Joel, Some of your images are great BTW.
Joel said:
But you got to admit that there is great details in the pictures
with leaves in them. I mean even if the glass is not the best, the
sensor captures great detail. I wonder how the sensor would perform
with L glass in front of it :-)

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Joel
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http://www.pbase.com/joels/my_favorites
'A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools.'
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Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
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Remember, Phil has been going on about the bad weather in Germany. Overcast, hazy conditions not generally conducive to superior photography. I printed the 10MB TIFF (the tree with the flags) on my Phaser 860 and it looked flawless at 8x10.

Anywho, it all depends on what you want to do with your pics. I am neither an artist or photojournalist. I use the pics on my websites. The SD-9 produces excellent quality images (what I've seen so far) and it has an appealing price point. As I have no large investment in lenses (as opposed to my investment in PC equipment), I find the SD-9 a plausible choice. I'm just waiting for Phil's full review (and saving up the cash).
Yatin Chachad said:
I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon
sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces
significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to
anything else.
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Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
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Carlos
 
Yatin Chachad said:
That's just my point, that the setup I am using does not have
L-glass, and yet I see better images. People, it's not the just
lens, it's not just the camera body, it's not just the sensor, and
it's not the cameraman, but all of the above working together as a
system in harmony.
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You are right but the 50mm f/1.8, even if it is a cheap lens, is one of the sharpest lenses in the canon lens series.
 
These images were taken with low light and they have had no processing done to them. This just shows that the images need processing just like the D30/60 images need processing.

From an image standpoint, these show that the Sigma system (with the Sigma EX lenses) is a very real competitior in the entry DSLR market. They should sell very well considering that the system is priced well below the Canon or Nikon systems.

I want to know how well the AF works on this system.
Yatin Chachad said:
I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon
sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces
significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to
anything else.
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Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
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I have a Canon 100mm ƒ2.8 macro and a Sigma 50mm ƒ2.8 EX macro...they seem pretty equal in image quality to me, if anything the Sigma is slightly better. There is no way you could decide the quality of a lens from a computer monitor image. I have seen outstanding pictures taken with Sigma...Tamron..Tokina lenses...I have managed to take lousy pictures with Leica, Hasselblad and Canon, Nikon, Mamiya, Zeiss etc.
 
Good point. I would also like to take pictures of high-speed objects hurtling through my home (my children). My current camera (Toshiba PDR-M70) doesn't quite cut it for me.
Greg M said:
I want to know how well the AF works on this system.
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Carlos
 
exactly Mike, it is the system, not just the lense.
Mike Eckstein said:
I have a Canon 100mm ƒ2.8 macro and a Sigma 50mm ƒ2.8 EX
macro...they seem pretty equal in image quality to me, if anything
the Sigma is slightly better. There is no way you could decide the
quality of a lens from a computer monitor image. I have seen
outstanding pictures taken with Sigma...Tamron..Tokina lenses...I
have managed to take lousy pictures with Leica, Hasselblad and
Canon, Nikon, Mamiya, Zeiss etc.
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Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
 
Good point, but I really do very little or no post processing with most of my images. However, when converting, I mostly use the high settings on sharpness, contrast and colour. Which is in a way post processing, but very little. :)

I hope the Sigma is successful, so Canon develops a new sensor just like that. But I will be pessimestic about Sigma's success as a digital Camera builder.

Now, what I would have liked to see is the Foveon sensor in a Minolta 9 series body. That is serious competition.
Greg M said:
From an image standpoint, these show that the Sigma system (with
the Sigma EX lenses) is a very real competitior in the entry DSLR
market. They should sell very well considering that the system is
priced well below the Canon or Nikon systems.

I want to know how well the AF works on this system.
Yatin Chachad said:
I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon
sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces
significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to
anything else.
--
Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
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Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
 
For the day that they are having, the colors are coming through very
true and natural. The detail is sharp with well defined boundaries.
Look at the UPC symbol on the Candy box. I am convinced that my 1D
could not separate those as well. The images are very non-digital
looking.

That image also shows some noise issues also shows up in the shadows,
but in all, I think the images show great promise.

Steven
Yatin Chachad said:
I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon
sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces
significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to
anything else.
--
Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
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My really bad summer pictures:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/summer_travels
 
I'm blown away by the color detail in those photos. The minute variation in color and subtle, natural shifts between hues just wowed me. I haven't seen anything like it in other digital pictures. It gives the subject a much much more lifelike, organic feel. Those photos of leaves - dang, I felt like I was looking out a window. After seeing those pictures and going back and looking at shots taken with the D60/D100 - I am amazed by how much the D cameras' photos look "digital" when it comes to color.

Don't know much about the rest of the specs of these cameras - but from a purely artistic, visual standpoint, I think the Foveon photos ROCK. Huge step forward.
 
The TIFF of the tree shows up sharp and clear. You can even make out drops of water on the leaves and branches. The JPEGs may have been put together hastily for the sake of newsworthiness.
Steven Noyes said:
That image also shows some noise issues also shows up in the shadows,
but in all, I think the images show great promise.

Steven
Yatin Chachad said:
I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon
sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces
significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to
anything else.
--
Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
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My really bad summer pictures:
http://www.pbase.com/snoyes/summer_travels
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Carlos
 
These pictures ARE VERY impressive and outstanding. I am amazed by them.

Pete
 
The images are impressive:

To get any of these images in a D60/D30, you will need sharpening or curve adjustment from RAW.

Also, the leaves against the bright background does NOT PRODUCE THE BLUE FRINGING EFFECT!!!!!! since it doesn't need to do interpolation, there is no such artifacts.

Impressed me enough to seriously consider it, yeah, there is the Sigma lens.... eek....
Yatin Chachad said:
I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon
sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces
significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to
anything else.
--
Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
Click to expand...
 
As an amateur photographer and owner of a "simple" Canon S40, the Sigma SD9 has really captured my interest. First of all, I consider the low price as a breakthrough in the marked. Now I've seen some sample images from the SD9, and they look impressive enough to me. It's delightful to see that there are no more annoying "after-bayer-interpolation" artifacts. There are some "over-exponation" artifacts, and some noise (especially in the red channel). But all in all, I'm convinced that this is a step in the right direction!

Considering the new Sigma and the price policy of Canon, there is no way I am going to consider a digital SLR from Canon now. The D60 cost more than $3000 here in Norway. Other brands are no better in their price policy, and there seem to be very little competition in this marked. To pay $3000 for a camera is ok for the professionals and a few amateurs, but it's not so ok with me. I'll wait until the price is no more than $2000 before I'll consider buying a digital SLR. It could very well turn out to be a Sigma, doesn't it? :-)
Yatin Chachad said:
I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon
sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces
significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to
anything else.
--
Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
Click to expand...
 
Havn't had a chance to print them but the silkiness and vibrancy of the colours is very impressive. I especially liked the subtle tones in Phil's dinner.

This is not a 1Ds killer but at the price point suggested and bundled with a couple of Sigma zooms this could become the first DSLR for many new adopters. Sigma will be able to offer killer deals on this body with a couple of Sigma zooms.

I wouldn't buy one (I have too much EOS mount [Sigma] glass + 550EX) to jump ship. But if I didn't, this looks like an excellent package at a competitice price.
 
Tony Ku said:
To get any of these images in a D60/D30, you will need sharpening
or curve adjustment from RAW.

Also, the leaves against the bright background does NOT PRODUCE THE
BLUE FRINGING EFFECT!!!!!! since it doesn't need to do
interpolation, there is no such artifacts.

Impressed me enough to seriously consider it, yeah, there is the
Sigma lens.... eek....
Yatin Chachad said:
I would point the finger on the Sigma lens and not the Foveon
sensor. My now lowly D30, Canon 50mm 1.8 combination produces
significantly superior images. That's why I hate to upgrade to
anything else.
--
Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace
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