aperture 3 and A850

I looked on the apple website and realized that the A850 is not listed in the raw support screen. The A900 is - does that mean the A850 is?

Thanks Grizz

I checked immediately the same thing...

Unfortunately, if it's not there, it means it won't work. Aperture 2 supports the A900, but not the 850, and I believe Aperture 3 will play the same trick.

Someone more knowleadgeable than me might clarify wether converting the ARW into .DNG with adobe tools will turn them into "lightroom understood" DNGs, or if they'll simply stay untouched files to be used by Aperture. (what I mean, is wether the DNG converter actually uses Adobe's raw decoding routines to turn the sony raws to dng; in that case the real rendering would be a lightroom one, not aperture one).

Lory
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Apple also released Digital Camera RAW Compatibility Update 3 along with Aperture 3. Maybe this includes the A850?
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M.A.Stough

nope - unfortunately not. I'm awaiting this update also. latest update only covered the following cameras - Canon PowerShot S90,Canon sRAW ,Canon mRAW, Leica D-LUX 4, Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1, Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH1
and Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3.

Apple must have it in for Sony.

I think it was in the last image capture update. I recall seeing the Canon 7D but I can't say for certain about the Sony.

By the way I hate the way DPReview give the price in US dollars and only in dollars when this is a UK site.

For the benefit of the hundreds of thousands of UK visitors the UK pricing is £169 and £79 for upgrade. Fairly steep price increase.

RubberDials said:

By the way I hate the way DPReview give the price in US dollars and only in dollars when this is a UK site.

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I hate to do this, but Americans bought DPR a while back

Cheers,

N

Well their office is in central london, the staff are english and i regularly walk through the places where they shoot most of their sample pictures, so it feels english to me.

Anyway, it's inexcusable and poor business not to include sterling prices, even if you give the dollar price first.

I think Aperture 2 was a brick of a program on my mac(intel white late 2006). I had the black image bug in aperture 2 that was never fixed by Apple in Aperture 2. Then i decided to go to lightroom 2, I must say lightroom is more powerful and more mature.

I now downloaded the trail version of Aperture 3 and edited a couple of pics and i was not impressed by it.

It is slow, the brushes give weird graphic glitches in green and i still can't find a before and after view side by side like in lightroom 2.

No i don't think Apple is to late with aperture 3.

I think they should have made more effort on version 2 to work the glitches out with more updates, that bothered me the most that there where no updates to address the bugs.

To mee it seems that the apple hardware and software is suffering from their success, they'r getting bigger and more and more fanboys; all apple does is superb in the eyes of the ignorant fanboys.

It' time Apple get's it's act back together and stops focusing so much on the iPhone and iPod toys.

Thats it guys...

greetz

http://aperture.maccreate.com/2010/02/09/aperture-3-overview/

Aperture 3 looks good on paper compared to lightroom 2 for editing, so it will be interesting to see what new features Lightroom 3 will have when its released in a few months time.

grizzlyman07 said:

I looked on the apple website and realized that the A850 is not listed in the raw support screen. The A900 is - does that mean the A850 is?

Thanks Grizz

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The only thing Sony apparently changed in the A850 RAWs compared to the A900 RAWs is a header indicating it is a different camera. Still this miniscule change does not allow editing A850 RAWs in Apple's iPhoto or Aperture. The RAW support is in Apple's OS, so all RAW aware apps handle the files - or not - when the respective OS RAW update is provided.

Some posters here have enough experience with computers to change that header in a hexadecimal editor as a workaround:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1037&message=33086263&q=A850+Aperture&qf=m

I used the search function but did not yet find the original input on how to do that so I can't offer any further input than - try to convert into DNG and then go into Aperture.

It is getting painfully apparent that Apple is NOT up to speed here. At least in the case of the A850 (header change only) it should be no effort at all to add that hex header into Apples RAW support.
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Ralf
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Yes, Apple programmer's are just lazy :-/ For now we have two solutions:

• convert A850 RAWs to DNG using free DNG converter
• ask skilled programmer to write simple application that will change text string "A850" to "A900" in Alpha RAW files.

The latter option is easy to make with some programming skills. I just have written e-mail to author of similar thing for Panasonic:
http://blog.capauwels.com/

Mybe he would agree to make similar appliaction for us. I'm waiting for his reply

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Cheers,
Sylwek

And I have his reply
"Yeah I'd do this with pleasure! I'll get back to you when it's done! "
I'll pass good news as soon as he'll make this application

That would work even with Aperture 2, as A900 was already supported in this version

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Cheers,
Sylwek

This really, really sucks...

I just tried it by hand (opened a file with text edit, replaced every "A900" with "A850"), and the darned thing... works ...

Even Quick Preview opens them, and their image is clearly visible in the finder (while before they had a simple icon, no preview icon).
Aperture 3 opens them flawlessy...

This is incredible, from Apple... I mean, Sony might offer .dng support, but than Apple avoiding to add a simple line in their code is outrageous.

Too bad Aperture 3 is simply... gorgeous: like all addicts, despite despising my drug, I can't live without

Lory

'The human race is a race of cowards. And I'm not only marching in that procession, but carrying a banner.'
Mark Twain

azoele said:

This really, really sucks...

I just tried it by hand (opened a file with text edit, replaced every "A900" with "A850"), and the darned thing... works ...

Even Quick Preview opens them, and their image is clearly visible in the finder (while before they had a simple icon, no preview icon).
Aperture 3 opens them flawlessy...

This is incredible, from Apple... I mean, Sony might offer .dng support, but than Apple avoiding to add a simple line in their code is outrageous
Lory

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Wow, that easy? Tell them I just did:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/aperture.html
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Ralf
http://RalfRalph.smugmug.com/

Guys, we are lucky. Here is simple Mac application that will change header in A850 RAW files for us, so that we can open and edit them even in Aperture 2 It is just a matter of simple drag&drop operation! Many, many thanks for Charles-Axel Pauwels for his brilliant work!
http://capauwels.com/aperture-converters.html

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Cheers,
Sylwek

GREAT!!!
I'll try it immediately.
I had just come up from a solution from the great WWW:

perl -pi -e 's/A850/A900/g' asterisk.ARW

(if I add the * symbol in the line up above, dpreview writes simply .ARW in bold
So, the symbol to be added in place of "asterisk" is *

this simple script, run from a terminal in the directory containing your A850 raw files, will do the substitution for you.
Kudos to Mr. Pauwels though!

Lory

P.s.
Again, incredible that Apple hasn't done that...

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'The human race is a race of cowards. And I'm not only marching in that procession, but carrying a banner.'
Mark Twain

Yes, that's incredible, becaus Apple has us, users deep in... Sorry, bo they become a kind of religion, they don't hear users anymore :-/ I'll continue to use this platform because I've got used to Mac OS for many years, but I've got this feeling that this is not the company that was 10 ro more years ago.

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Cheers,
Sylwek