Are these rumors, or true

omel · Feb 5, 2010

AF and MF quirks are what plague the sales, people here want and need the camera to respond quickly and that ain't the case. Small, cheap DSLRs can do the job so that is where sales are, most people use cameras on special occasions so the weight size of these cameras are ok. A holiday here and there, a wedding, etc places where there is not too much lugging around.

X1 sales are due to Leica lust at any cost, people just want a Leica, Ricoh is not in the same boat.

Of all the cameras the Panasonic GF1 created a better package that people can relate to stuff like this http://craigmod.com/journal/gf1-fieldtest/ it impresses them and leads to I want the camera.

In the wash up people on these forums account for very little sales ......... go to a department store and all sorts are being sold and discounted.

http://www.etrouko.com.au/im.htm

JJJRRR768 · Feb 5, 2010

Harold, yes.......

I use it and love it and i do not like the M4/3 in my hands, I like even the small sensor images.

I guess as long as it suites me it is a good camera for ME...

Harold66 said:
carlos roncatti said:

I think Ricoh is at a hard spot right now.

Click to expand...

Hello Joel , Hello Carlos

I read your post and I would like to say that NOBODY , yes even the "experts" on these forums " can predict what the sales of the new Ricoh system will be

first of all, I think only people at Ricoh know what market are their strongest one

The GXR is brand new . so new in fact that in some big European countries , main dealers have not received their samples

so any statement asserting that the camera is not selling or whatever is pure BS

I think at this stage only 3 observations can be made and they probably do NOT apply to ALL markets :

1/There might be some resistance on the price. Ricoh's are usually more tools than toys and do not necessarily have the same kind of purchase behavior than for the Panasonic and Olympus

2/The GXR is marketed as a system. At the present time , there is only two modules and only one lens for the larger sensor , which is the market most likely to invest that $ amount in the GXR system

3/ Ricoh has a narrower distribution channel than most other brands. A lot of sales are generated from word of mouth and on reviews on magazines and internet
There has not been many of that yet

Finally , even if people like to compare with the m4/3 rds , Ricoh does not have the same power of fire and I am pretty sure that their sales goals are not at the same level

I think a lot of the sales will depend on how quickly and how wisely Ricoh will choose and bring new modules to the market, especially on a Photokina year

Harold

so that leaves us Ricoh fans or semi-pros or even pros who want a better sensor than m4/3(A12) but then these people want DSRL AF performance to pay 1500usd for a camera with a lens.
NO there are many other reasons to choose the GXR over the m4/3
It seems a lot like Sigma SD cameras,
I suppose you meant DP cameras and No I don't agree

--
http://www.harold-glit.com
http://www.modelmayhem.com/haroldglit

JJJRRR768 · Feb 5, 2010

Carlos,

I don't think Harold is mad, I think he is concerned with speculation, but I started this as speculation.....Harold is a really good guy, I know you know that.

BTW, I too am in sales for around 30 years...sometimes the buyer is blind, sometimes thoughtful.....ricoh users are different, like apple users (I use both). I also ride Rivendell bicycles and play Martin guitars, well Martin is mainstream, the others are not. Today I was shooting with my daughters new GX100 (the battery is not lasting long, wonder why, maybe I need to buy another), and my GXR, the GX100 is really great in jpeg as is the GXR, is the GXR worth the premium, I think so because of versatility and the fact that there is more you can do and control with it.

J

carlos roncatti said:
Ive worked with sales for aprox. 10 years so when i make assertments about a product i always make as a seller and costumer POV. Most of the costumers dont want to know half about tech, fabric or motors. The salesman who actually doesnt know all that much will have the final word about the camera that will be purchase (not by or you, but by the average costumer)

Harold66 said:

I think at this stage only 3 observations can be made and they probably do NOT apply to ALL markets :

1/There might be some resistance on the price. Ricoh's are usually more tools than toys and do not necessarily have the same kind of purchase behavior than for the Panasonic and Olympus

Click to expand...

Of course there is. The G1 sensor (i have the camera) is awful and the A12 seems to be an state of art. The G1 AF is pertty much almost as fast as my D300, believe me im telling the truth...

carlos roncatti said:

2/The GXR is marketed as a system. At the present time , there is only two modules and only one lens for the larger sensor , which is the market most likely to invest that $ amount in the GXR system

Click to expand...

OK.

carlos roncatti said:

3/ Ricoh has a narrower distribution channel than most other brands. A lot of sales are generated from word of mouth and on reviews on magazines and internet
There has not been many of that yet

Click to expand...

Thats why im expressing my opinion, based from where i live. If i was not interested enough about photography i would never even get to know Ricoh.

carlos roncatti said:

Finally , even if people like to compare with the m4/3 rds , Ricoh does not have the same power of fire and I am pretty sure that their sales goals are not at the same level

Click to expand...

I believe so also.

carlos roncatti said:

I think a lot of the sales will depend on how quickly and how wisely Ricoh will choose and bring new modules to the market, especially on a Photokina year

Click to expand...

No, it will depend of the first modules sucess

carlos roncatti said:

Harold

so that leaves us Ricoh fans or semi-pros or even pros who want a better sensor than m4/3(A12) but then these people want DSRL AF performance to pay 1500usd for a camera with a lens.
NO there are many other reasons to choose the GXR over the m4/3

Click to expand...

You have to quote them....

carlos roncatti said:

It seems a lot like Sigma SD cameras,
I suppose you meant DP cameras and No I don't agree

Click to expand...

No i meant the SD since the Dps are used by a lot of DSRl users from others brands

I hope you are not mad...are you? understand that i love ricoh and dont confuse me with any other type of person that you are might thinking i am

Best regards

self portrait:

I love taking pictures and sonner or later i will learn how to take good ones.......
ALBUNS:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25417226@N06/sets/
BRASIL ALBUM:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25417226@N06/sets/72157622653898091/show/
Carlos Roncatti Bomfim

Andrewteee · Feb 5, 2010

I live near Rivendale and a friend of mine has one and raves about it. I don't ride much right now, but my son will soon get hist first bike (he has a Like A Bike now) and I may upgrade my own bike if we ride often. I used to like Bridgestone bikes many years ago and the Rivendales look great.

Andrew Higgins · Feb 5, 2010

Quite simply price, and Micro FourThirds will stop the GXR being anything other than a niche camera right now.

Clever in many ways it maybe, and a brave innovation, but it's going to have a very hard time in the marketplace when the MFT cameras are very good, cheaper, and can be fitted with a wide range of other lenses via adaptors.

A Ricoh ad' campaign that puts the GXR in the hands of some big name photographers would show the camera's abilities and generate wider 'real world' interest (as opposed to wide curiosity), and I expect several price cuts to gradually reduce the cost in the coming months.

A

VladimirV · Feb 5, 2010

I don't think Ricoh expected this system to take off with a bang, if they did then the very boring and conservative first modules they released don't make any sense.

While they would love to sell more GXR cameras, they are a very hard sell. The GXR costs more and underperforms in almost every area compared with a m4/3 camera, this is not the recipe for success and Ricoh knows that.

Then again, the Leica M8 underperforms against most cameras and costs almost 5-10x the price.Yet Leica sold a lot of even the stupidly priced white editions to collectors. Ricoh is not Leica but have the most innovative concept of the last years in the GXR and a system with limitless posibilities. Only Ricoh can make this fail by not catering to the market demand.

The GXR system will take off as soon as Ricoh releases some proper and interesting modules, an average sensor with a poor AF paired with a fantastic non-removable lens is not going to sell well. They are aware of this by now and everyone asks for interchangeable lens modules. This is what will sell the GXR system as this is what sells the m4/3 system.

Ricoh can and will (have to) release unique modules which offer features that you can't have for half the price done better by most manufacturers.

From my talks to Ricoh they are aware of this and I am sure we'll see something more interesting announced soon, maybe not for the next module but the one after.

I would not worry about Ricoh, they have been around long enough and listen to customers' demand for their products.

--
http://ricoh-gr-diary.blogspot.com/
http://ricohgrdiary.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cristiansorega

JJJRRR768 · Feb 5, 2010

andrewteee said:
I live near Rivendale and a friend of mine has one and raves about it. I don't ride much right now, but my son will soon get hist first bike (he has a Like A Bike now) and I may upgrade my own bike if we ride often. I used to like Bridgestone bikes many years ago and the Rivendales look great.

Andrew, I have had 3 customs and I have one now as well as two bleriot models and an original All Rounder model I keep for my daughter. Rivendell bicycles are about as good as they get if you are a retro person like I seem to be. Walnut Creek is a good place to live near or in.

pppp · Feb 6, 2010

Photo Division Ricoh in the world = 150 persons ?
sales targets = very very very low...

=> No concern for the sustainability of the project
--
http://ricoh-gxr.blogspot.com/

Harold66 · Feb 6, 2010

VladimirV said:
I don't think Ricoh expected this system to take off with a bang, if they did then the very boring and conservative first modules they released don't make any sense.

While they would love to sell more GXR cameras, they are a very hard sell. The GXR costs more and underperforms in almost every area compared with a m4/3 camera.

You are obviously disappointed with the GXR and that is your privilege

However, you seem to have some credibility on this forum and you should try to make an effort to stay credible
Saying that the GXR underperforms m4/3 in almost every area is simply not true
for instance :

1/The GXR in the Ricoh fashion has a WAY better user interface than any of the m4/3

cameras , chiefly the Panasonics. I understand that this may not be so obvious for people who have never used a Ricoh better but YOU , of all People, should know better
2/the GXR has arguably a better implementation of the manual focus mode

3/the GXR sensor made by Sony has a very good reputation at least on par with the ones made by Panasonic

4/the LCD on the Ricoh is better than ANY of the m4/3 models , the EVF is better than most only topped by some of the Pansonics and the recent EP2
5/The Ricoh offers an non proprietary raw format

6/ The lens on the GXR can compete with the closest lens in format released by Panasonic
and there are many other points that could be made

Again , It is perfectly OK for one to say that one prefers the m4/3 cameras for such or such reason. but the argument can be made both ways

VladimirV said:
The GXR system will take off as soon as Ricoh releases some proper and interesting modules, an average sensor with a poor AF paired with a fantastic non-removable lens is not going to sell well. They are aware of this by now and everyone asks for interchangeable lens modules.

NO , another exagggeration. NOT everyone , far from it. Please do not speak on behalf of everybody . NOBODY can and should do that. and AGAIN , the GXR sensor is very good and featured on some very well reviewed camera ( D90, Pentax Kx)
stating that sensor is average is ridiculous

I ams sure that you can point out towards some drawbacks of the GXR which can be agreed by most. Let's try to make a small effort to stay credible by not making ludicrous statements, shall we ?

Harold
--
http://www.harold-glit.com
http://www.modelmayhem.com/haroldglit

iaredatsun · Feb 6, 2010

Harold66 said:
VladimirV said:

I don't think Ricoh expected this system to take off with a bang, if they did then the very boring and conservative first modules they released don't make any sense.

While they would love to sell more GXR cameras, they are a very hard sell. The GXR costs more and underperforms in almost every area compared with a m4/3 camera.

Click to expand...

You are obviously disappointed with the GXR and that is your privilege

'privilege' ? You mean right/entitlement? You make it sound like the poster has chosen to be disappointed and therefore, by implication, has made the wrong choice.

Harold66 said:
However, you seem to have some credibility on this forum and you should try to make an effort to stay credible
Saying that the GXR underperforms m4/3 in almost every area is simply not true
for instance :

1/The GXR in the Ricoh fashion has a WAY better user interface than any of the m4/3

As an aside MacWorld 'chose' to criticise the GXR's menu form. I know they're not photography experts but they can criticise a menu system.

Harold66 said:
I ams sure that you can point out towards some drawbacks of the GXR which can be agreed by most. Let's try to make a small effort to stay credible by not making ludicrous statements, shall we ?

Harold, I can see that you have many informed opinions useful in a GRX vs. whatever debate but using expressions like 'Let's try to make a small effort to stay credible by not making ludicrous statements, shall we ?' sounds very patronising and self-righteous and comes across as the stance of someone slightly narked.

Harold66 · Feb 6, 2010

iaredatsun said:
'privilege' ? You mean right/entitlement?

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. like he is entitled to his opinion , like everyone else

iaredatsun said:
As an aside MacWorld 'chose' to criticise the GXR's menu form. I know they're not photography experts but they can criticise a menu system.

First off, I said that the user interface of the GXR is better than the m4/3 ones. It does not mean it is perfect . As a matter of fact , my biggest gripe with the GXR menu is something that I never read elsewhere before ( more when my review of the GXR is posted)

And, as you correctly mentioned , there is always one site to criticize something that is otherwise widely praised

I don't know the specifics of the macworld review you mentioned , but in my experience their cameras reviews are of no interest , barely above the cnet reviews which are in IMO, the worst reviews on the net

iaredatsun said:
Harold, I can see that you have many informed opinions useful in a GRX vs. whatever debate but using expressions like 'Let's try to make a small effort to stay credible by not making ludicrous statements, shall we ?' sounds very patronising and self-righteous and comes across as the stance of someone slightly narked.

I am sorry if it comes off patronizing as it is not my intention to be condescending .

Maybe it comes off strong because I expect better from someone who is normally well -regarded in the Ricoh universe

I am very interested to read feedback, be it praises and/or criticisms, from other people about camera equipment and I think these forums can be very helpful. I just think we all have a certain responsibility of not making definitive statements about a new camera -ANY new camera- unless it is well documented.

Harold

--
http://www.harold-glit.com
http://www.modelmayhem.com/haroldglit

VladimirV · Feb 6, 2010

Harold66 said:
You are obviously disappointed with the GXR and that is your privilege

It's not my privilege but my right as someone who has a lot of Ricoh cameras. And I am not disapointed but realistic and had expected more, which I am sure Ricoh will deliver.

Harold66 said:
However, you seem to have some credibility on this forum and you should try to make an effort to stay credible
Saying that the GXR underperforms m4/3 in almost every area is simply not true
for instance :

1/The GXR in the Ricoh fashion has a WAY better user interface than any of the m4/3...

This is subjective although I agree with you, it is not enough for some to overlook the drawbacls.

Harold66 said:
2/the GXR has arguably a better implementation of the manual focus mode

And it needs it because it is the only way of working in some circumstances because the AF is not good enough. No auto magnification is however not so great and something which Ricoh will have to fix in firmware.

Harold66 said:
3/the GXR sensor made by Sony has a very good reputation at least on par with the ones made by Panasonic

Yes, the sensor is good up to ISO 1600 over which it shows banding. It is however not very good for a live view camera due to the slow AF, refresh rate and video.

Harold66 said:
4/the LCD on the Ricoh is better than ANY of the m4/3 models , the EVF is better than most only topped by some of the Pansonics and the recent EP2

It is actually better than any of the other EVFs in low light where is does not get grainy and desaturated like the m4/3 ones.

Harold66 said:
5/The Ricoh offers an non proprietary raw format

Nice but not a big deal.

Harold66 said:
6/ The lens on the GXR can compete with the closest lens in format released by Panasonic

Wrong, the GR lens outclasses every Panasonic lens and is as good as any Leica lens. This is why I think it's a shame it can't be removed.

Harold66 said:
and there are many other points that could be made

This is all fine and I am aware but for most people these things are not so important and they prefer to spend less and get a camera which:

Focuses faster, has interchangeable lenses, possibility to mount legacy lenses with adapters, has a faster refresh rate on the LCD, no screen freeze, better video mode and so on.

Harold66 said:
NO , another exagggeration. NOT everyone , far from it. Please do not speak on behalf of everybody .

Not so very far from what I heard, even people who like the current system like and interchangeable lens module. But believe what you want.

Harold66 said:
Let's try to make a small effort to stay credible by not making ludicrous statements, shall we ?

Harold, why don't we agree that I stay more credible for your liking if you stay more realistic and don't try to attack people who are not sold on the GXR concept yet.

--
http://ricoh-gr-diary.blogspot.com/
http://ricohgrdiary.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cristiansorega

Harold66 · Feb 6, 2010

VladimirV said:
Harold66 said:

You are obviously disappointed with the GXR and that is your privilege

Click to expand...

It's not my privilege but my right as someone who has a lot of Ricoh cameras.

we are saying the same think here. I meant that word in the same sense as you do

VladimirV said:
VladimirV said:

3/the GXR sensor made by Sony has a very good reputation at least on par with the ones made by Panasonic

Click to expand...

Yes, the sensor is good up to ISO 1600 over which it shows banding. It is however not very good for a live view camera due to the slow AF, refresh rate and video.

so you should see that your initial comment was exaggerated

VladimirV said:
VladimirV said:

4/the LCD on the Ricoh is better than ANY of the m4/3 models , the EVF is better than most only topped by some of the Pansonics and the recent EP2

Click to expand...

VladimirV said:
VladimirV said:

5/The Ricoh offers an non proprietary raw format

Click to expand...

Nice but not a big deal.

probably depends on who you ask. and a BIg deal compared with the Sigma when it requires one to learn and use a specific software

VladimirV said:
VladimirV said:

6/ The lens on the GXR can compete with the closest lens in format released by Panasonic

Click to expand...

Wrong, the GR lens outclasses every Panasonic lens and is as good as any Leica lens. This is why I think it's a shame it can't be removed.

if you think so , then again you should see why your initial comment was confusing

VladimirV said:
This is all fine and I am aware but for most people these things are not so important and they prefer to spend less and get a camera which:
Focuses faster, has interchangeable lenses,

possibility to mount legacy lenses with adapters,

This is not in the Ricoh concept and while the idea is nice , it is not as important in real life when you see the limitations of using a manual focus lens on a camera body such as the m4/3 which are really designed for AF

has a faster refresh rate on the LCD, no screen freeze, better video mode and so on.

I would submit that most Ricoh users want a camera and do not care so much about video

VladimirV said:
VladimirV said:

NO , another exagggeration. NOT everyone , far from it. Please do not speak on behalf of everybody .

Click to expand...

Not so very far from what I heard, even people who like the current system like and interchangeable lens module. But believe what you want.

and how many people is that. Once again the forums are not necessarily representative of the general photographer population

It is not about me believing that I want. It s about you not speaking about what Everyone or almost everyone believe

VladimirV said:
VladimirV said:

Let's try to make a small effort to stay credible by not making ludicrous statements, shall we ?

Click to expand...

Harold, why don't we agree that I stay more credible for your liking if you stay more realistic and don't try to attack people who are not sold on the GXR concept yet.

VladimirV said:
--

ha the ultimate " insult " on this forum . the "fanboy" word ( that and the troll seem to be the 2 worst descriptions here)
You can twist and turn all my words , that does not wash .
A fanboy would react to any criticism made on the subject of his fanatism

I am not a fanboy ON ANYTHING . As a matter of fact , I always think that a healthy debate means contradictions and opposing views

That being said , I am bothered by overly exaggerated statements made to look like facts or gross generalizations

This is like gossip applied to cameras . I don't like it more than when it is about smearing people reputation's

Hope you can see where I am coming from and I am confident that most people on this forum will
Harold

--
http://www.harold-glit.com
http://www.modelmayhem.com/haroldglit

JJJRRR768 · Feb 6, 2010

When I posted this thread I wanted to know more about this camera vs the rumors... So what did I find out, this is a great camera, not for everyone, I knew that. So I really did not find out much more. I will way that one of my original reasons for going to this over the GRDlll was Christians remarks about banding with the GRD over 400....I have no regrets at all, I love the feel of the GXR but information does seem to change from day to day, as it should as we learn more. I have to play more with the A12.

BillCarr · Feb 6, 2010

Barry Fitzgerald said:
On the other hand, I can't see this system taking off, I think they might have been better off making something a bit classy, like a serious range finder type camera, not a cheapo, but not silly wallet busting leica prices.

Priced right, a GX300 with a larger chip (say 4/3) could have been a successful upgrade choice for owners of the LX and G-series, and would have been a reasonable evolution of Ricoh's core competencies and products. Instead they went out on a limb with the hopes of merely selling 5,000 units/month on a new system that didn't cater to their base and which they released with certain, um, issues.

carlos roncatti · Feb 6, 2010

Joel Stern said:
Carlos,

I don't think Harold is mad, I think he is concerned with speculation, but I started this as speculation.....Harold is a really good guy, I know you know that.

Of course i know Joel (blinking)

JJJRRR768 said:
BTW, I too am in sales for around 30 years...sometimes the buyer is blind, sometimes thoughtful.....ricoh users are different, like apple users (I use both). I also ride Rivendell bicycles and play Martin guitars, well Martin is mainstream, the others are not. Today I was shooting with my daughters new GX100 (the battery is not lasting long, wonder why, maybe I need to buy another), and my GXR, the GX100 is really great in jpeg as is the GXR, is the GXR worth the premium, I think so because of versatility and the fact that there is more you can do and control with it.

Nice to know something else about you Joel...i asked my brother ( a musician) about Martin guitar, since i dont know squat about instruments and he told me the guitar is awesome...i also think the GXR worth the price, as all ricoh cameras, but i have to confess i need fast and accurate AF...maybe via firmware or with a non macro lens, who knows? and of course not all people are like us who love and know the ricoh value....

My best...

--
self portrait:

I love taking pictures and sonner or later i will learn how to take good ones.......
ALBUNS:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25417226@N06/sets/
BRASIL ALBUM:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25417226@N06/sets/72157622653898091/show/
Carlos Roncatti Bomfim

polarabbit · Feb 6, 2010

on how much time one gives to make an evaluation on the GXR's popularity.

it is designed to have interchangeable modules, so by definition it should not become as quickly obsolete as other cameras with fixed sensors.

the GXR can continue to improve as sensor technology improves and how it should be evaluated is perhaps best done on individual module basis, rather than on the GXR as a platform basis. theoretically, one day we may see a ff GXR module. now THAT would be a transformational module.

to me, this is sort of like the Apple strategy: you provide the platform (Apple OS/iTunes/iPhone etc) and then build the poducts around this platform. the iPod sells well, as does the iPhone. and then comes the iPad which may or may not succeed but whether or not it does is still only part of the big picture as Apple will continue to build its product lines around its platform.

i think Ricoh may have something similiar in mind when pushing out the GXR.

Joel Stern said:
Are some folks just making up that the GXR seems to be failing in all (or even any) markets? I would think not but what do I know, I bought one so maybe I am biased. Just curious of this is an issue for Ricoh, sure hope not.

--

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
GALLERY: http://galay.fotki.com

Gary

Tom Caldwell · Feb 6, 2010

--
Tom Caldwell
I am always trying ...

Tom Caldwell · Feb 6, 2010

The fact is if the dealers do not carry the stock then a great proportion of the market will not seek them out.

Once upon a time in wonderland I wanted to buy a Panasonic FZ1 - this was a great camera in its day and the reviews said so.

Tried to buy it from a dealer and in those days the dealers had been burned by stocking earlier Panasonic cameras which hardly set the world on fire.

When I asked about the FZ1 the sales assistant had 1001 reasons why Panasonic cameras (which they no longer stocked) were not worth buying - and please buy something else which we have in stock.

Nevertheless I pursued the FZ1 and even found that they were hard to find even by mail order. The camera that I did get was as good as it was reviewed and probably was the first great Panasonic digital camera.

Now of course Panasonic has a showcase in the same store reserved for their product and it is accepted as one of the major camera brands.

The point is the circular argument - if camera stores have trouble selling a camera then they don't stick it and pour scorn on the camera if someone asks for it by name - consequently the manufacturers tend to sell stock to the stores as being easy to sell and give discounts for volume to make holding and moving their camera stock more attractive. Ergo the big-name 'popular' brands - a self fulfilling prophesy.

This same store on being questioned on the then impending GXR said it 'was too dear' and they would not stock it. The same store has Olympus and Panasonic m4/3 cameras prominently displayed in showcases..

If someone were to walk into a store and mention the GXR which was not in stock and the other m4/3 cameras were then there would be heavy pressure to buy one of the stocked cameras and I am sure that the price differential would be waved around as a selling tool.

I am sure that the GXR is a great camera - it just makes no economic sense for me and there is no way I need one. But neither do I need m4/3 so there is no great argument there.

I am now quite sure that Ricoh understand that the GXR is a very small niche camera and they probably only expect niche-market level sales - so they will not be overly disappointed by a low sales volume.

Those that need one will be very happy but expect to be a curiosity at the photo-shoot - I don't expect many to be out in the real world.

Likewise there are not many of the Panasonic LC1 about and the L1 never got off the ground at alll in Australia as the dealers decided it was too dear to stock. Kiss of death for a mass market camera - Ricoh must be happy in there small niche - small sales are ok if the margin is big enough - and it surely is.

On the other hand same shop currently carries CX1 and CX2 models in the showcase - seems there must be a steady demand for them - even the GRDIII only made an appearance just before I bought one - not to be replaced in the showcase - funny that ...

Don't be dismayed at any reports of slow sales I guess Ricoh has already factored this in to their calculations.

--
Tom Caldwell
I am always trying ...

Tom Caldwell · Feb 6, 2010

Barry Fitzgerald said:
I'd say the GXR is something that is a niche market appeal if there ever was one. But hey, at least Ricoh are trying..and not just doing boring old same old same stuff many makers do.

On the other hand, I can't see this system taking off, I think they might have been better off making something a bit classy, like a serious range finder type camera, not a cheapo, but not silly wallet busting leica prices.

That's just my idea, I'm not sold on this modular concept.

I fully agree Barry

--
Tom Caldwell
I am always trying ...

Are these rumors, or true

Leading Member

Forum Pro

Forum Pro

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Forum Pro

Senior Member

Forum Pro

Leading Member

Forum Pro

Senior Member

Forum Pro

Forum Pro

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Community Leader

Community Leader

Community Leader

Keyboard shortcuts