Who Use Sigma camera on JPG format Or Raw only

Wel was wondring if some one use anny sigma camera in jpg mode.
Wierd quistion,but was actual looking for some one thad shoot jpg pictures.

With sigma camera's,I ask becouse no one ever mention if the picture is shot in jpg or raw.

As my DP-1 cannot shoot same picture in raw and jpg,do some one shoot jpg and raw together.
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I have used jpg only for testing, when i put the x3f to my computer, in sigma photo pro i do a fast edit and save a copy as jpg for fast review, same procedure for dp1, dp2 and dp1s

Since speed is the same i see no reason for using jpg unless there is no computer with spp available, or the photos are not to be edited (i just did a series of jpgs to the photoacute dp1s profile

dp1 and dp1s raw are the same, while dp1s jpg are better than dp1 jpg, and of course the main difference that the red dots are almost completely gone, i photo the sun now
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Still a new user and only taken a hundred shots so far.
99 Raw, 1 Jpeg - just to see what it was like.
Given the flexibility of SPP, why would I limit my options with jpeg?

I agree that it means I can be lazy with white balance and colour settings, but even if I was more disciplined, there would still be times I got it wrong!

demarren 123 said:

As my DP-1 cannot shoot same picture in raw and jpg

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Sure it can - every X3F file contains JPG either. You can save it in SPP, in image browser - open File menu and choose Convert to JPEG file. At least in Windows that works so.

What about shooting JPG - only for testing, when IQ is not important. Otherwise RAW - I've enough time to process my images later

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Claus,

jpegs in SD14 are not very good, compared to the results you get from RAW. I don't know about newer cameras, but the power of RAW gives little reason to shoot jpeg.
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I see thank you.
The red around verry bright light I also saw it in meaby two pictures I took.
It is not to bad,but it exist.
Strange I am thinking of color clipping due the sensor.
You know onle layer go treu more then one layer.
I am not sure

solsang said:

I have used jpg only for testing, when i put the x3f to my computer, in sigma photo pro i do a fast edit and save a copy as jpg for fast review, same procedure for dp1, dp2 and dp1s

Since speed is the same i see no reason for using jpg unless there is no computer with spp available, or the photos are not to be edited (i just did a series of jpgs to the photoacute dp1s profile

dp1 and dp1s raw are the same, while dp1s jpg are better than dp1 jpg, and of course the main difference that the red dots are almost completely gone, i photo the sun now
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Do you see mush diferent between raw and the jpg picture.
Problem is its raining and I can,t test it my own.
Atleast for 3 days.

Figsbury said:

Still a new user and only taken a hundred shots so far.
99 Raw, 1 Jpeg - just to see what it was like.
Given the flexibility of SPP, why would I limit my options with jpeg?

I agree that it means I can be lazy with white balance and colour settings, but even if I was more disciplined, there would still be times I got it wrong!

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Wel meaby I go into vacation,an wonder if the camera produce good jpg.
otherwise I need alot of SD cards when taking in raw only.

I also have adobe lightroom,and thad program can edit jpg pictures,even white balance.
Thanks for your replay

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Wel the problem is we got rain,for atleast 3 days,not able to test the camera in jpg.

ArvoJ said:

demarren 123 said:

As my DP-1 cannot shoot same picture in raw and jpg

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Sure it can - every X3F file contains JPG either. You can save it in SPP, in image browser - open File menu and choose Convert to JPEG file. At least in Windows that works so.

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Yes I know ,but meaby I am on vacation soon,and I toucht oh my If I shoot everything in raw,I wil need alot of cards.

batterie is no problem I have two of them and can load them up in my hotel motel.
but I do not have internet,or an portable storage device.

ArvoJ said:

What about shooting JPG - only for testing, when IQ is not important. Otherwise RAW - I've enough time to process my images later

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Wel meaby my option is to buy alot of Sd cards then.

Or looking for an portable storage device,If you know somtinge good,thad not break the bank
Or burn an hole in my pocket
I am gladly hear it

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ArvoJ said:

demarren 123 said:

As my DP-1 cannot shoot same picture in raw and jpg

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Sure it can - every X3F file contains JPG either. You can save it in SPP, in image browser - open File menu and choose Convert to JPEG file. At least in Windows that works so.

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I've often posted that the SD14/DP1/DP2 cameras DO have RAW + JPEG in each RAW. Just extract the JPEG if you wish, as ArvoJ wrote above. SPP software can do this inidividually or a bunch of photos at once.

Note that some settings you put on the camera, say for increased contrast or saturation or sharpness indeed affect the embedded JPEG output.

I find the main problems with using the embedded JPEGs extensively is that

-- I like the option of changing white balance (yes for RAW, no for JPEGs) on the computer in SPP

--I personally find that the RAW processed to JPEG is slightly more detailed, or sharper or somehow 'better' in general than the JPEG direct from camera.

Pull out (extract) some JPEGs and study and compare them.

ArvoJ said:

What about shooting JPG - only for testing, when IQ is not important. Otherwise RAW - I've enough time to process my images later

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Agree.

Advise for vacation: buy some more cards. Shoot RAW.
Best regards, Sandy
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Yes John I was afraid for thad.

wel my only option,when I go on vacation,and I verry like to use my DP-1 for thad,is to buy alot of sd cards or an portable storage device.
do you know of sutch an storage device.
thanks john.

JohnLindroth said:

Claus,

jpegs in SD14 are not very good, compared to the results you get from RAW. I don't know about newer cameras, but the power of RAW gives little reason to shoot jpeg.
-John
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[email protected]

My future starts when I wake up every morning ...
Every day I find something creative to do with my life.
--Miles Davis

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demarren 123 said:

Do you see mush diferent between raw and the jpg picture.

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On the dp1 there is a big difference between jpg and raw, it would be a shame to use jpg on that model, raw pictures are be much better

demarren 123 said:

Wel meaby I go into vacation,an wonder if the camera produce good jpg.
otherwise I need alot of SD cards when taking in raw only.

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With the dp1 you really want to use raw, so get some 4gb or 8gb cards, i advice several cards so you dont loose all your pictures if you loose a card (or the camera)
Shooting raw on a 8gb card will give you more than 500 pictures

demarren 123 said:

I also have adobe lightroom,and thad program can edit jpg pictures,even white balance.

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Editing jpg is possible, yet limited, shadows and burnouts cannot be rescued, and there will be jpg artifacts creeping in, dp1 jpg is better than a pocket camera, yet raw is magic and gives many more possibilities to change the light and colour

demarren 123 said:

Thanks for your replay

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You're welcome!

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I have no clue wat you are talking about,Are you saying there is an jpg picture in the raw picture.and thad picture is thus the same as the raw picture.
I am not sure if I got it right.
I have reed your post 3 times to make sure hehe
If thad is so how,do I get the jpg picture.my files show only SDIM0132
Wat do I have to do to get the jpg picture.

I also have an quistion,Do this work with anny raw file or just the sigma ones.
Thanks in advange.

I I apologize If I am understanding whrong

SandyF said:

ArvoJ said:

demarren 123 said:

As my DP-1 cannot shoot same picture in raw and jpg

Click to expand...

Sure it can - every X3F file contains JPG either. You can save it in SPP, in image browser - open File menu and choose Convert to JPEG file. At least in Windows that works so.

Click to expand...

I've often posted that the SD14/DP1/DP2 cameras DO have RAW + JPEG in each RAW. Just extract the JPEG if you wish, as ArvoJ wrote above. SPP software can do this inidividually or a bunch of photos at once.

Note that some settings you put on the camera, say for increased contrast or saturation or sharpness indeed affect the embedded JPEG output.

I find the main problems with using the embedded JPEGs extensively is that

-- I like the option of changing white balance (yes for RAW, no for JPEGs) on the computer in SPP

--I personally find that the RAW processed to JPEG is slightly more detailed, or sharper or somehow 'better' in general than the JPEG direct from camera.

Pull out (extract) some JPEGs and study and compare them.

SandyF said:

What about shooting JPG - only for testing, when IQ is not important. Otherwise RAW - I've enough time to process my images later

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Agree.

Advise for vacation: buy some more cards. Shoot RAW.
Best regards, Sandy
[email protected]
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandyfleischmann

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ArvoJ said:

demarren 123 said:

As my DP-1 cannot shoot same picture in raw and jpg

Click to expand...

Sure it can - every X3F file contains JPG either. You can save it in SPP, in image browser - open File menu and choose Convert to JPEG file. At least in Windows that works so.

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That is extracting the jpg from the raw file, which is a different situation than if i want to browse the pictures fast or send a photo by mail from the card; the extra work is having to extract and save every single photo, while a raw+jpg would spare me that work and let me use the photos immediately on any computer, i would prefer that!

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solsang said:

demarren 123 said:

Do you see mush diferent between raw and the jpg picture.

Click to expand...

On the dp1 there is a big difference between jpg and raw, it would be a shame to use jpg on that model, raw pictures are be much better

solsang said:

Wel meaby I go into vacation,an wonder if the camera produce good jpg.
otherwise I need alot of SD cards when taking in raw only.

Click to expand...

With the dp1 you really want to use raw, so get some 4gb or 8gb cards, i advice several cards so you dont loose all your pictures if you loose a card (or the camera)
Shooting raw on a 8gb card will give you more than 500 pictures

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Yes it is wise to use raw.
I wil look for some 8 gb Sd cards.

solsang said:

solsang said:

I also have adobe lightroom,and thad program can edit jpg pictures,even white balance.

Click to expand...

Editing jpg is possible, yet limited, shadows and burnouts cannot be rescued, and there will be jpg artifacts creeping in, dp1 jpg is better than a pocket camera, yet raw is magic and gives many more possibilities to change the light and colour

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I am afraid you are right,recovery is not possible in jpg.

I also think thad noise reduction in jpg wil be atleast almost not possible,defently not at iso 800

Wat SD cards do you recomment,4GB or 8 GB Sandisk ultra
Thanks so mush.

solsang said:

solsang said:

Thanks for your replay

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You're welcome!

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I always shoot RAW. On my DP1 and my SD14.

The Raw conversion of SPP3.3 is very good and with just a few easy to do adjustments, I get a good picture.

Why should I ever throw away part of the information the sensor is able to acquire? Shooting jpg means that this extra information is gone forever.

Bst regards,

Frank

solsang said:

ArvoJ said:

demarren 123 said:

As my DP-1 cannot shoot same picture in raw and jpg

Click to expand...

Sure it can - every X3F file contains JPG either. You can save it in SPP, in image browser - open File menu and choose Convert to JPEG file. At least in Windows that works so.

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Ah ok thanks I thid not know thad,
If I understand corectly.
you go to sigma program.
where you see the thumbs only, right click on picture and save as Jpg.
then I have the embedded picture,without anny corrections to the file.
Is thad correct.

solsang said:

That is extracting the jpg from the raw file, which is a different situation than if i want to browse the pictures fast or send a photo by mail from the card; the extra work is having to extract and save every single photo, while a raw+jpg would spare me that work and let me use the photos immediately on any computer, i would prefer that!

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I found you hold CTRL and click with the mouse the picture you like to convert to jpg.

right click and you can convert all the picture you clicked with the mouse in one time.

I think I begun to understand
Thanks so mush

solsang said:

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Yes Frank thads is true,but I toucht 15 Mb files is big when I am on vacation however like some els sayed.

Better invest in some Extra Sd cards then shooting jpg,and be dissapointed when I come back.

Thanks so mush Frank

FDecker said:

I always shoot RAW. On my DP1 and my SD14.

The Raw conversion of SPP3.3 is very good and with just a few easy to do adjustments, I get a good picture.

Why should I ever throw away part of the information the sensor is able to acquire? Shooting jpg means that this extra information is gone forever.

Bst regards,

Frank

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I'll add comments within your text

demarren 123 said:

I have no clue wat you are talking about,Are you saying there is an jpg picture in the raw picture.

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yes

demarren 123 said:

and thad picture is thus the same as the raw picture.

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the JPEG is embedded in the X3F file ... and you can easily extract it (take it out of the RAW file). It will be essentially like a photo you took with the camera just set on JPEG rather than on RAW.

demarren 123 said:

I am not sure if I got it right.
I have reed your post 3 times to make sure hehe
If thad is so how,do I get the jpg picture.my files show only SDIM0132
Wat do I have to do to get the jpg picture.

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see this post, http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=34412996

Again, this isn't well documented in the SPP manual which is on the SPP3.5.2 software.

When you are in the index view, you can select photos, click on File, click on "convert to JPEG" and it really EXTRACTS the embedded JPEG.
Embedded = the JPEG is IN, ie part of, the SDIM RAW file.

In fact there are two embedded JPEGs in the RAW, a small thumbnail and a 'full size' JPEG.

Years ago, some wonderful programming people such as Chris Rijk and another person now not posting on the forum, created 'extraction' software tools for SD14, DP1, DP2 users to extract those JPEGs. Then in the SPP3.x versionf of SPP, Sigma added a similar extraction tool to the actual SPP software. But it's not clearly marked "extraction" ... it says "convert to JPEG" ... and this very useful feature isn't documented in the SPP manual.

demarren 123 said:

I also have an quistion,Do this work with anny raw file or just the sigma ones.
Thanks in advange.

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SDIMs from SD14, and DPx cameras. Not the SD9 or SD10 RAWs... those are RAW only cameras, no usable JPEGs in the IMG0000 files.

demarren 123 said:

I I apologize If I am understanding whrong

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Hope the above details clarify somewhat. I haven't gone into the settings-on-camera affect the JPEG.... I've played around extensively with those options.
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Not really, use the extraction tool. see my post above.

demarren 123 said:

Wat SD cards do you recomment,4GB or 8 GB Sandisk ultra

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If you have the money and luck to find the red Sandisk Ducati 4gb SD-cards those are incredible, otherwise their ultra plus usb 8gb version has been great to use, of course normal sd cards without usb are almost half the price (then you need a card reader as using the cable with the camera can be problematic)

At least avoid cheap cards, it would be shame to loose the pictures because of that!

Collected wisdom from dp sigma users;
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