D700 long exposures

Sander Meurs

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Hello forum,

recently I have shot a few long exposure photos with a D700, making star trail photos, among other things.

At first I used the MC-36 to make several 5 minute exposures and I stacked those together in photoshop using the lighten mode to stack the trails onto each other. For this I would set the MC-36 to 5 minute 1 second intervals, to prevent the camera from triggering before the preceding shot had finished. This resulted in tiny breaks in the star trails.

A few days ago I used another strategy, apparently widely used, putting the MC-36 in 'hold' mode, while setting the camera on continuous shooting at 30 second exposures. This caused the tiny breaks between trailing stars to be further reduced, but the resulting trail looks very erratic seen at 100%. The lines are not smooth but very jagged, especially for stars with a little colour or twinkling to them. The only good thing to come out of this shoot, is that I was able to use all those separate frames for short interval movies.

Looking for smoother star trails, I therefore decided to see how long I could expose the D700 in one single long exposure on one charge. I set it up in a dark room and shot it for 45 minutes, than for 2 hours. I knew I could expect a lot of long exposure related noise if I didn't engage the dark frame subtraction (LENR) but I wanted to see how bad it would get. After all, who wants to stay outside waiting for hours in the cold and dark (-15 last time).

The 45 minute and 2 hour shot turned out OK, but with the expected flaws. This is the 2 hour shot downsized but also in detail in a 100% crop:

These shots were converted to tiff in Raw Photo Processor, sharpening turned off.









As you can see in the photo, there is plenty of amp glow on all edges of the frame. In the 100% shot you can see the hot pixel noise. In the shorter 45 minute shot, there was no amp glow noticeable, but the hot pixels were about the same as the 2 hour shot. Some things that are visible in both shots however, are the lightened and darkened vertical bands running across both left and right side of the frame. You can see what it looks like in the 100% crop. What is this? Something to do with the readout of the sensor, what is this called?

I know that long exposure noise reduction will probably get rid of these 3 kinds of artifacts but I just wanted to see for myself how bad it would be.

I do hope the D3s sensor comes to a D700 sized body, because I have read that that sensor stays remarkably clean at multiple hour long exposures. No amp glow, no hot pixels or strange bands down the sides of the frame. Check out this story of 4 and 8 hour exposures without long exposure noise reduction: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12749

That is something I could use for very long exposures without hesitation or fear of image quality degradation.

By the way, the D700 had 20% charge left after the 2 hour long exposure (started with a fresh charge), it was shot at room temperature.

Sander
 
I did an hour long exposure last summer with my D700 to get the star trails. Lots of hot pixels, but I still like the result:

 
Hi Doug, thanks for the input

these are indeed the smooth trails I'm looking for too, but without the hot pixels.

I see you have the same darkened band in your photo, it is visible at the bottom centre of your shot. Do you have any idea what that is?

Sander
 
Sander, I'm not seeing the band, I was pretty happy with the shot other than the pixels and that was to be expected.

I would love to get my hands on a D3s, but can not justify the expense.
Hi Doug, thanks for the input

these are indeed the smooth trails I'm looking for too, but without the hot pixels.

I see you have the same darkened band in your photo, it is visible at the bottom centre of your shot. Do you have any idea what that is?

Sander
 
I think some of the noise that you pointed out has to do with the fact that the sensor is stitched in two equal halves, and it is possible for noise to be isolated in one half or the other, which becomes visible under extreme conditions. This is the way the D3 sensor was stitched, and perhaps the D3s sensor is the same way. It looks like the noise is bounded exactly at the middle point of the sensor. Gabor (who demonstrated this), Marianne, or Emil could tell you a lot more about it.

But have a look at the "stitching artifacts" on the D3 sensor illustrated here (about halfway down):
http://www.chipworks.com/blogs.aspx?blogmonth=3&blogyear=2008&blogid=86
 
A major noise impact factor in any low-level signal amplifier is the heat generated by the amplifier itself.

That is why highly sensitive amplifiers are contained in cooled environments (e.g liquid nitrogen) where the temperature is both cold and controlled.

Even then, there is the problem with amplifier arrays (like camera sensors), of getting the heat off the amplifier(array) in a uniform fashion. Thus the cooling itself may introduce 'zoning' or localised differences across the sensor. This is of course, especially critical along the edges of the sensor, and of course at the points where the sensor is fixed.

There have been experiments in controlling sensor temperature.

Some have experimented with peltier coolers ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling ) added to the sensor. These are especially promising for large sensors, but they do have the down side of being another, and indeed quite 'thirsty', energy consumer in the camera.

One of the simplest 'experiments' you can do yourself, is to place your camera in the refrigerator (in a sealed plastic bag!) for some time before you take a picture (moisture deposition may be a problem while taking the picture -- not recommended in a humid environment! -- and do keep the camera wrapped to keep it COOL). The amplifier noise will sink quite dramatically! Of course, there is the option of waiting for a suitably 'cold' night! Lovely feeling sitting inside in the warm, sipping a hot whiskEy, gazing with wonderment at the same beautiful sky that the D700 is working so hard to capture.

My son says he will invent the 'human eye' camera... but I fear that I will not live to see it!

Take care -ger-
 
On a blown out shot I split the channels with the 4channels program from the libraw distribution and then I did auto levels on the green channel.
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Panagiotis
 
On a blown out shot I split the channels with the 4channels program from the libraw distribution and then I did auto levels on the green channel.
Thanks. I'll try out for my D700. I guess some more questions then ... (not today)
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regards, eric
 
Thanks Luke and Panagiotis

this clearly shows what I see, thanks for that link and the image.

Sander
 
Hi Steve and Ger, good discussion

for me, it's partly for the battery life that the added dark frame is inconvenient, but like I said it's also a pain to wait for it out in the cold. I'm taking these pictures outdoors, far away from a car or town so every hour I'm getting colder in the freezing Newfoundland winters. Last time I was out I did 3 x 120+ 30 second exposures on 2 batteries, I felt like I was saved by the bell when the final charge went dead.

Also, like Ger said, cold winter nights keep the temperature of the camera down. And winter skies are often far more dark, clear and crisp than summer nights.

Sander
 
Hi Sander...

Haven't seen you at DPR for ages. Your work has always been inspirational to me.

FWIW a really good stacker program for star trails is startrails.exe . Its freeware and works great http://www.startrails.de/html/software.html

I haven't done many startrails but one night I thought it might be a challenge to make an image of startrails over the George Washington Bridge with my old and trusty D200. I basically locked the shutter via a mc30 remote and set my camera to take continuous exposures. I set my shutter speed to 8 seconds so I wouldn't have to worry about long exposure noise reduction and sensor noise. Additionally, I didn't have to worry about blowing out the bridge. Basically there was no delay between exposures so the trails were rather smooth except when I had to change the battery as the D200 is a well known battery eater. I think this technique works well when you have brightly lit objects in your composition.

Here was the result after 800 plus frames which resulted in an approx. 2 hour exposure.



Regards

RFC
Pbase Gallery : http://www.pbase.com/rfcd100
Website : http://rfcgraphics.com/
 
Hi RFC,

indeed, long time no see :)

I think it's great you can do star trails in New York, maybe your trails are so smooth because these stars are the brightest ones in the sky, being able to penetrate the light pollution? Very pretty light pollution though, where I live we don't have big cities anymore, I moved from Holland to Newfoundland so it's all pretty dark and rural here. My bright stars are smooth, but the smaller twinkling ones are very erratic:





As for me, I'm out a lot, taking in the beauty and the sights, so I've decided to tune down my dpreview presence to the level of just asking a few technical questions now and again.

By the way, I found that trail software you mentioned when I was looking for specific applications, but I'm on a mac so that software doesn't work for me. Instead I'm using either a stacking action in photoshop ( http://www.schursastrophotography.com/software/photoshop/startrails.html ), or manual stacking which is very time consuming, but infinitely more precise in regards to removing distracting subjects such as planes or in my case boats on the far horizon.

Have a great day in NYC, see you later :)

Sander
 

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