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Dear Friends,

I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon, Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about settings and so on to better my shots.
 
Roby,

Please post some pictures, so we can help you.
Thank you.
RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
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HOW CAN I POST PICTURES?
phototalk123 said:
Please post some pictures, so we can help you.
Thank you.
RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
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When you call them foggy, I find this perfectly describes what a shot looks like before level adjusted. Since this requires post processing, I too would be interested on how to set the D100 so this adjustment isn't necessary...
RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
Click to expand...
 
Roby,

You can post it to http://www.nikonnet.com
they give you 50mb of free space for you to post
pictures. (you just have to apply for it, and it is
free) You just to have send us a "guest" password
and point us where to see the picture.
I think Pbase is starting to charge the users.
so the nikonnet.com might be a good alternative now.

Andy
RobyClem said:
phototalk123 said:
Please post some pictures, so we can help you.
Thank you.
RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
Click to expand...
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RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
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What Kind of lens are you using?

Try using faster lens 2.8 Nikkors, or a 50 mm 1.8 or 4.
--
Hermy
 
As others have said, it'd be best to post some pictures. The word foggy is pretty vague. You might mean they seem to have low contrast, or low saturation.

Possibly the most common cause of that is setting the camera to Adobe color mode, and viewing it with software that can't compensate. Photoshop can compensate, but you have to assign the Adobe color space by hand after opening the picture.

For now, let's concentrate on standard settings for simplest viewing of pictures. I'll assume you've set up your PC's monitor for good color correction. Check the shooting menu in the camera, under color space. Make sure it's set to mode 1, sRGB. You can change it back to Adobe after you're comfortable with the flow.

Make sure exposure compensation hasn't been set. (Push the + - button and make sure it shows zero) Set the ISO to 200, and make sure CSM #3 is off (no Auto ISO settings).

Now, set the resolution to L and FINE (3mb image), go outdoors in normal daylight (light shade is ideal), and take some pictures. You should be able to put the camera on P, and shoot freely.

Examine the histogram in the LCD, to make sure the picture is well-exposed. Download the images to the PC.

Examine those pictures in your favorite picture viewer (or get free Irfanview if you don't have a good one). If they're still foggy, there's something seriously wrong. Take a look there at the histogram, and make sure it still looks good.

There still is some fine-tuning to do, but these settings should get you an excellent picture to start with.

Flash is another whole issue, and I'd rather defer to Thom Hogan for that.
RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
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--
DaveA
 
In addition to the things others have said. The first thing that came to my mind is lens flare.

What lens are you using? Some are more prone to flare than others. The "Do It All" lenses are very bad in this respect, ie: 28-200.
RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
Click to expand...
--
Tommy
 
John Beard said:
What does a good histrogram look like. How do I view it on my D100?
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The histogram will show up as one of the pages when you're reviewing your shot in the D100. In the settings, there is an option to see histogram or not, I believe.

Going across the histogram from left to right, you see yellow vertical bars representing how many pixels in the shot are of a certain value, with black on the far left and white on the far right. (Nikon also provides convenient 25% lines.) The higher the yellow, the more pixels of that value.

It's a little hard to describe what a good histogram should look like, since it depends on your subject. For example, if you shoot a picture of a skiier on snow, you should see high values on the right (bright) and probably very little on the left (dark).

If you see this high-point towards the middle of the histogram, you've underexposed the shot. If the high-point occurs at the right of the histogram, as if it wanted to extend even farther right, you probably overexposed it.

In a more balanced subject, you should see values all across the histogram.

The easiest way to learn histograms is to bring a variety of photos into Photoshop or some other application that has a histogram and look at them. Adjust contrast/brightness and look again, to see how it affects things.
 
I'm notexactly sure of some of the legan language of the NikonNet terms and conditions, but the best I can pussle out is this: I believe it means you grant Nikon the right to make derivitive works from the images you post, and use these in any way they choose. The legal definition of "derivitive works" is very vague, I believe a print can be considered a "derivitive work" of a JPEG file.

"While you will retain ownership of the copyright or license in the Content posted by you, you agree that all Content posted by you shall become part of a database in NikonNet, and that Nikon will own the database and copyright in any derivative works based on the Content. In addition, you warrant that all rights including so-called moral rights, privacy rights and publicity rights in the Content waived. Neither Nikon nor any third arty using the Content in accordance with this section will be obligated to pay you any royalties or other compensation for use of any Content."

pBase has the friendliest terms and conditions of pretty much any site that I've ever seen.

They did mention charging, back in January, but they still aren't. I contribute voluntarily. It's just such a cool site.

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.pbase.com/the_wiz/
 
I had a problem I think may have been similar, The images looked like they had a grey tint to them and did not really pop like you would imagine. I have not solved it completely, but I have improved quite a bit. First make sure you are not shooting in auto contrast, I set mine to normal and usually bump it up in Nikon View. I am currently shooting all raw, but 4 the last few weeks I was shooting Jpg and the following workflow worked great
1. make sure camera contrast is at least Normal, NOT auto
2. Import to NikonView 5

3. First try Auto Contrast and color, then auto contrast, 98% of the time this nailed what I was looking for. If that doesnt work see step 4.

4. Adjust brightness and contrast manually, once done adjust color faders a touch if needed. I found I would either take the red to -3 and the blue to +3 or vice versa on most images that made it to step 4, This probally would have been solved already had I not shot Auto White balance.
5. Safe your edited image!

try this out, If this thread is going on tommorow I will try to post an image or two to pbase showing before and after. I have one image posted on Photosig that was Kind of grey in the begining and fixed with this method, This one was tweaked manually both brightness and contrast.

http://www3.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=323586

Hope that helps a bit
Brian
 
I also from the s1pro, I found that the auto white balance on s1pro did a better job than the d100 and the s1pro metering is more or less = d100 +0.7ev. try to set the WB to cloudy or shade and fine tune w/ +-1,2,3 on a sunny day.

check and set the color mode to RGB instead of adobe, since the default computer display is using the RGB, you may feel the color dull when using RGB colorspace browsing for a adobe defined photo.

Please post some photo to http://www.pbase.com , copy the link and share your foggy pics.

I've few photos for both s1pro and d100. http://www.pbase.com/arthurs1pro . s1pro produce wonderfully fuji color and the d100 seem to be more realistic, I love both.

thanks

arthur
RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
Click to expand...
 
Brian Micheal said:
I had a problem I think may have been similar, The images looked
like they had a grey tint to them and did not really pop like you
would imagine. I have not solved it completely, but I have improved
quite a bit. First make sure you are not shooting in auto contrast,
I set mine to normal and usually bump it up in Nikon View. I am
currently shooting all raw, but 4 the last few weeks I was shooting
Jpg and the following workflow worked great
1. make sure camera contrast is at least Normal, NOT auto
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Does normal seem to adjust more agressive than auto? What do you find the advantages to be?
What about sharpening? Auto or normal?
Brian Micheal said:
2. Import to NikonView 5
3. First try Auto Contrast and color, then auto contrast, 98% of
the time this nailed what I was looking for. If that doesnt work
see step 4.
4. Adjust brightness and contrast manually, once done adjust color
faders a touch if needed. I found I would either take the red to -3
and the blue to +3 or vice versa on most images that made it to
step 4, This probally would have been solved already had I not shot
Auto White balance.
5. Safe your edited image!

try this out, If this thread is going on tommorow I will try to
post an image or two to pbase showing before and after. I have one
image posted on Photosig that was Kind of grey in the begining and
fixed with this method, This one was tweaked manually both
brightness and contrast.

http://www3.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=323586

Hope that helps a bit
Brian
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This is the problem I've had with all my digicams, and it is not isolated to the D100 only. Like some of the posts have indicated, I think a lot of this has to do with 'Auto WB' and 'Auto Contrast'

I've found there are several ways to improve your photo with a little post processing. Photoshop works quite well, but I've been using iCorrect for the past couple of weeks and found it much easier to use. I still do the final 'tweaks' in photoshop, but I find iCorrect gets me in the ballpark much quicker

Have a look at these 2 links a see if they describe the problem you've been having

http://www.picto.com/iCorrect/default.htm

http://www.picto.com/iCorrect40Tour/index.html
RobyClem said:
Dear Friends,
I come from hundreds of shots with my new Nikon D100. I find most
shots taken with basic Nikon (all automatic) are a little bit
FOGGY. There's something wrong I think in basic Nikon settings. I
come from Fuji S1 Pro (10.000 shots tested) where basic settings
where good.

I tested a lot of custom settings on my D100, and things go better
if I use:
Image sharpening = normal
Color mode = normal or high

Most of my shots are NORMAL jpeg & MEDIUM resolution
Often I use less than normal an medium to have space for hundreds
of shots.

So, my answer is: anybody tested better setting for less foggy shots.
Thanks

Rob

PS-I really don't want to open another discussion (better Nikon,
Canon, Coolpix etc etc). I'd only like to share information about
settings and so on to better my shots.
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[U] ing said:
_ing said:
1. make sure camera contrast is at least Normal, NOT auto
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I shoot normal contrast because it seems to give constant results, which I can post process later to my liking. During the short time I shot auto contrast it seemed to be rather random, or my eye isnt trained to foresee how the camera will adjust the contrast. The images looked ok 98% of the time, but I drag all shots through NV5 so it just makes sense to me to set it so they are all at a standard "Normal" contrast and adjust from there. I like being middle of the road and having maximum adjustment possibilities in both directions, I cannot however say I would shot this way if I did not edit every image I am saving, I would probally train my eye better to predict how the outcome will be. I am sure I will do this in time, but for now I am happy this way.
_ing said:
Does normal seem to adjust more agressive than auto? What do you
find the advantages to be?
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So far I have been shooting with sharpening set to normal. sharpness has not been an issue at all for me. The shots I have that arent sharp are nearly always long exposures when I am to lazy to get my tripod, resulting in minor camera shake.
_ing said:
What about sharpening? Auto or normal?
_ing said:
http://www3.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=323586

Hope that helps a bit
Brian
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