Exilim EX-M1 against EX-M2

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Some of you are wondering whether to wait for the M2 or go buying the M1 right away. I have both models lying next to each other on my table (although this happened quite against all my intentions) so I might help you.

Keep in mind one thing: both models are VERY similar, so don't overestimate what I'm going to write now.

1. slightly different color and more protruding lens

The M1 is silver with a very slight touch to the brown while the M2 looks silver with a touch of rosé. You won't notice until you put the M2 into the cradle because that's still the same as with the M1, ie it doesn't really fit the M2! And because of the longer lens the lens in the cam's upper right (if you look at the front) comes out about 2mm more

2. resolution

The M2 is 2 megapixel while the M1 is 1.2 only. Again, the difference isn't as big as you might think: It's 1600 against 1280 pixels horizontally, so only a increase in 25% in both ways horizontally and vertically.

Pictures taken by the M1 already had a little jaggedness on them because the lens is VERY small and not exactly very good. This means if you look at pictures on your screen at 100% they don't look sharp any more like they do with other cameras. The same is true for the M2. And although the lens and its size remains the same, its deterioating effect on the picture quality doesn't get stronger. So the "resolution per pixel" as I call it stays the same. Positively said you effectively get your 25% improvement resolution.

3. aperture

As I've written in a different thread before the camera optics has remained the same. But to adjust for the larger CCD the focal length had to be increased from 5.x to 7.5mm and thus the aperture came down from f/2.5 to f/3.2 because the lens' aperterue itself stayed the same. This means that the M2 has a considerably "slower" lens. I took a few shots in my room with heavy rain outside, and the timing was 33-50% slower (M2: 1/13 and 1/15 sec againt M1 1/25s or 1/500 against 1/800s). Since shots with flash are always 1/30s with both cameras and slowest sync is 1/8s, those pictures are considerably darker with the M2 for the same reason.

4. Best Shot modes

The M2 has those 6 Best Shot modes that had already been advertized for the M1. They might be fun, but in the end they're just simple ways of something you could do with any photo finishing program. I haven't used them yet except for 6 test shots.

I'm not sure which camera I'd recommend. Of course, 2 MP is better than 1.2 MP. On the other hand, since the Exilim will be a gadget for most of you, you'll probably take most pictures inside your house, in the evening or night, with artificial or even candle light instead of landscape scenaries. So the "slower" lens of the M2 probably will matter a lot. And if you resize to 800x600 and email your photos to your friends at the party, the 0.7 MP are lost anyway. I still can't decide which one to return or sell (now that I was sent back the M1 because the shop says it looks used and they can't sell it any more).

Philotech
 
So are you saying the M2 has only minute improvement over it's predecessor?

Why don't you conclude everything in a pros and cons list comparing both models so that it'll be easier to see.
Some of you are wondering whether to wait for the M2 or go buying
the M1 right away. I have both models lying next to each other on
my table (although this happened quite against all my intentions)
so I might help you.
Keep in mind one thing: both models are VERY similar, so don't
overestimate what I'm going to write now.

1. slightly different color and more protruding lens
The M1 is silver with a very slight touch to the brown while the M2
looks silver with a touch of rosé. You won't notice until you put
the M2 into the cradle because that's still the same as with the
M1, ie it doesn't really fit the M2! And because of the longer lens
the lens in the cam's upper right (if you look at the front) comes
out about 2mm more

2. resolution
The M2 is 2 megapixel while the M1 is 1.2 only. Again, the
difference isn't as big as you might think: It's 1600 against 1280
pixels horizontally, so only a increase in 25% in both ways
horizontally and vertically.
Pictures taken by the M1 already had a little jaggedness on them
because the lens is VERY small and not exactly very good. This
means if you look at pictures on your screen at 100% they don't
look sharp any more like they do with other cameras. The same is
true for the M2. And although the lens and its size remains the
same, its deterioating effect on the picture quality doesn't get
stronger. So the "resolution per pixel" as I call it stays the
same. Positively said you effectively get your 25% improvement
resolution.

3. aperture
As I've written in a different thread before the camera optics has
remained the same. But to adjust for the larger CCD the focal
length had to be increased from 5.x to 7.5mm and thus the aperture
came down from f/2.5 to f/3.2 because the lens' aperterue itself
stayed the same. This means that the M2 has a considerably "slower"
lens. I took a few shots in my room with heavy rain outside, and
the timing was 33-50% slower (M2: 1/13 and 1/15 sec againt M1 1/25s
or 1/500 against 1/800s). Since shots with flash are always 1/30s
with both cameras and slowest sync is 1/8s, those pictures are
considerably darker with the M2 for the same reason.

4. Best Shot modes
The M2 has those 6 Best Shot modes that had already been advertized
for the M1. They might be fun, but in the end they're just simple
ways of something you could do with any photo finishing program. I
haven't used them yet except for 6 test shots.

I'm not sure which camera I'd recommend. Of course, 2 MP is better
than 1.2 MP. On the other hand, since the Exilim will be a gadget
for most of you, you'll probably take most pictures inside your
house, in the evening or night, with artificial or even candle
light instead of landscape scenaries. So the "slower" lens of the
M2 probably will matter a lot. And if you resize to 800x600 and
email your photos to your friends at the party, the 0.7 MP are lost
anyway. I still can't decide which one to return or sell (now that
I was sent back the M1 because the shop says it looks used and they
can't sell it any more).

Philotech
 
Great summary - this is very helpful for people like me who are trying to decide between these two cameras. I think I will go with the M1.

Thank you!
James
Some of you are wondering whether to wait for the M2 or go buying
the M1 right away. I have both models lying next to each other on
my table (although this happened quite against all my intentions)
so I might help you.
Keep in mind one thing: both models are VERY similar, so don't
overestimate what I'm going to write now.

1. slightly different color and more protruding lens
The M1 is silver with a very slight touch to the brown while the M2
looks silver with a touch of rosé. You won't notice until you put
the M2 into the cradle because that's still the same as with the
M1, ie it doesn't really fit the M2! And because of the longer lens
the lens in the cam's upper right (if you look at the front) comes
out about 2mm more

2. resolution
The M2 is 2 megapixel while the M1 is 1.2 only. Again, the
difference isn't as big as you might think: It's 1600 against 1280
pixels horizontally, so only a increase in 25% in both ways
horizontally and vertically.
Pictures taken by the M1 already had a little jaggedness on them
because the lens is VERY small and not exactly very good. This
means if you look at pictures on your screen at 100% they don't
look sharp any more like they do with other cameras. The same is
true for the M2. And although the lens and its size remains the
same, its deterioating effect on the picture quality doesn't get
stronger. So the "resolution per pixel" as I call it stays the
same. Positively said you effectively get your 25% improvement
resolution.

3. aperture
As I've written in a different thread before the camera optics has
remained the same. But to adjust for the larger CCD the focal
length had to be increased from 5.x to 7.5mm and thus the aperture
came down from f/2.5 to f/3.2 because the lens' aperterue itself
stayed the same. This means that the M2 has a considerably "slower"
lens. I took a few shots in my room with heavy rain outside, and
the timing was 33-50% slower (M2: 1/13 and 1/15 sec againt M1 1/25s
or 1/500 against 1/800s). Since shots with flash are always 1/30s
with both cameras and slowest sync is 1/8s, those pictures are
considerably darker with the M2 for the same reason.

4. Best Shot modes
The M2 has those 6 Best Shot modes that had already been advertized
for the M1. They might be fun, but in the end they're just simple
ways of something you could do with any photo finishing program. I
haven't used them yet except for 6 test shots.

I'm not sure which camera I'd recommend. Of course, 2 MP is better
than 1.2 MP. On the other hand, since the Exilim will be a gadget
for most of you, you'll probably take most pictures inside your
house, in the evening or night, with artificial or even candle
light instead of landscape scenaries. So the "slower" lens of the
M2 probably will matter a lot. And if you resize to 800x600 and
email your photos to your friends at the party, the 0.7 MP are lost
anyway. I still can't decide which one to return or sell (now that
I was sent back the M1 because the shop says it looks used and they
can't sell it any more).

Philotech
 
Works alright. Remember that it won't play 22khz MP3s which are unfortunately produced by the popular Fraunhofer Gesellschaft (FhG) Encoder at 64KBit. This encoder is used quite widely, for example in the RealPlayer and RealJukebox. - Don't mix up bit rate (64, 96, 128 or more KBit/sec and sampling frequency, which is 44.1KHz (as on CD), seldom 48, 32 or 22 KHz.

Other than that I'm not the right one to judge MP3 sound quality. At 64KBit it's the MP3 file that limits the quality anyway and not the player. The earphones are quite stylish (not exactly like Sony, but still...) but they tend to fall out of your ears.

Philotech
So how is the MP3 quality of the camera?
 
How's this...

Resolution - M2
Aperture - M1

The M2 has minute iimprovement over the M1.
Why don't you conclude everything in a pros and cons list comparing
both models so that it'll be easier to see.
Some of you are wondering whether to wait for the M2 or go buying
the M1 right away. I have both models lying next to each other on
my table (although this happened quite against all my intentions)
so I might help you.
Keep in mind one thing: both models are VERY similar, so don't
overestimate what I'm going to write now.

1. slightly different color and more protruding lens
The M1 is silver with a very slight touch to the brown while the M2
looks silver with a touch of rosé. You won't notice until you put
the M2 into the cradle because that's still the same as with the
M1, ie it doesn't really fit the M2! And because of the longer lens
the lens in the cam's upper right (if you look at the front) comes
out about 2mm more

2. resolution
The M2 is 2 megapixel while the M1 is 1.2 only. Again, the
difference isn't as big as you might think: It's 1600 against 1280
pixels horizontally, so only a increase in 25% in both ways
horizontally and vertically.
Pictures taken by the M1 already had a little jaggedness on them
because the lens is VERY small and not exactly very good. This
means if you look at pictures on your screen at 100% they don't
look sharp any more like they do with other cameras. The same is
true for the M2. And although the lens and its size remains the
same, its deterioating effect on the picture quality doesn't get
stronger. So the "resolution per pixel" as I call it stays the
same. Positively said you effectively get your 25% improvement
resolution.

3. aperture
As I've written in a different thread before the camera optics has
remained the same. But to adjust for the larger CCD the focal
length had to be increased from 5.x to 7.5mm and thus the aperture
came down from f/2.5 to f/3.2 because the lens' aperterue itself
stayed the same. This means that the M2 has a considerably "slower"
lens. I took a few shots in my room with heavy rain outside, and
the timing was 33-50% slower (M2: 1/13 and 1/15 sec againt M1 1/25s
or 1/500 against 1/800s). Since shots with flash are always 1/30s
with both cameras and slowest sync is 1/8s, those pictures are
considerably darker with the M2 for the same reason.

4. Best Shot modes
The M2 has those 6 Best Shot modes that had already been advertized
for the M1. They might be fun, but in the end they're just simple
ways of something you could do with any photo finishing program. I
haven't used them yet except for 6 test shots.

I'm not sure which camera I'd recommend. Of course, 2 MP is better
than 1.2 MP. On the other hand, since the Exilim will be a gadget
for most of you, you'll probably take most pictures inside your
house, in the evening or night, with artificial or even candle
light instead of landscape scenaries. So the "slower" lens of the
M2 probably will matter a lot. And if you resize to 800x600 and
email your photos to your friends at the party, the 0.7 MP are lost
anyway. I still can't decide which one to return or sell (now that
I was sent back the M1 because the shop says it looks used and they
can't sell it any more).

Philotech
 
Why don't you conclude everything in a pros and cons list comparing
both models so that it'll be easier to see.
That's easy. Unfortunately I wrote all the Pros and Cons yesterday and somehow they didn't get postet :( So a little shorter this time:

Pro M2 = Con M1
  • better resolution (2.0 MP instead of 1.2 MP)
  • 6 Best Shot Modes
  • very slight other firmware improvements over the M1 Version 1.00 but which are all included in the M1 firmware version 1.1 (available for download)
Pro M1 = Con M2
  • shorter shutter, so less prone to shaking, lighter images under bad ligh conditions, flash less often used
  • 5g lighter, 2mm less protrusion of the lens
  • battery life 80min instead of 60min in recording mode (taken from the Casio site)
  • noticably shorter shot-to-shot-delay (about 0.6sec instead of 0.9sec, taken from the Casio site)
Philotech
 
Hello Phil,

This might be a stupid asumption - that if you have to put the camera into its cradle to charge the battery, you are not able to take any photos during the charging time!

What if I have a second battery, can I charge it out of the camera? Can it stand in the cradle alone and get charged? Or is there an optional charger available just for charging a standalone battery?

Many thanks if you can clear my doubts!
 
Hello Phil,

This might be a stupid asumption - that if you have to put the
camera into its cradle to charge the battery, you are not able to
take any photos during the charging time!
You've hit the point! You'd better charge overnight.
What if I have a second battery, can I charge it out of the camera?
Can it stand in the cradle alone and get charged? Or is there an
optional charger available just for charging a standalone battery?
You'd need an extra charger. I'm not into the market, so you'd better ask if there is any for the Casio NP-20 lithium-ion battery.

Philotech
 
Phil,

Just one more question. Can it charge directly using the AC adaptor? What I mean is that when you travel, you certainly wouldn't like to take alone the rather bulky cradle. Is it possible to plug the AC adaptor into the camera itself to charge the battery within it?

Best regards,
Eddie.
Hello Phil,

This might be a stupid asumption - that if you have to put the
camera into its cradle to charge the battery, you are not able to
take any photos during the charging time!
You've hit the point! You'd better charge overnight.
What if I have a second battery, can I charge it out of the camera?
Can it stand in the cradle alone and get charged? Or is there an
optional charger available just for charging a standalone battery?
You'd need an extra charger. I'm not into the market, so you'd
better ask if there is any for the Casio NP-20 lithium-ion battery.

Philotech
 
Just one more question. Can it charge directly using the AC
adaptor? What I mean is that when you travel, you certainly
wouldn't like to take alone the rather bulky cradle. Is it
possible to plug the AC adaptor into the camera itself to charge
the battery within it?
Right you rather wouldn't want to but you'd have to :(

And if you don't live in the US you're probably even more unlucky: Over there the AC adaptor includes the plug, so you "only" need the camera, the cradle, the AC adaptor with its single cable to the cradle. In Europe to also need the very bulky mains cable from the adaptor to the plug. Altogether, it's a lot of stuff to take with you. What I'd have liked was the option to load the camera via the ISB port. But probably its power would be enough.

Philotech
 
Phil,

Thanks for the very detailed information. Yes, the cradle is a great idea if you stays home all the time... but would you, if you have got this little gem? Why can't they make some sort of a 'travelling kit' for it? I have done some research on the web and couldn't find any additional accessories except a few carrying cases.

So for this very reason alone, the Exlim is a no no for me!

Cheers!
Just one more question. Can it charge directly using the AC
adaptor? What I mean is that when you travel, you certainly
wouldn't like to take alone the rather bulky cradle. Is it
possible to plug the AC adaptor into the camera itself to charge
the battery within it?
Right you rather wouldn't want to but you'd have to :(
And if you don't live in the US you're probably even more unlucky:
Over there the AC adaptor includes the plug, so you "only" need the
camera, the cradle, the AC adaptor with its single cable to the
cradle. In Europe to also need the very bulky mains cable from the
adaptor to the plug. Altogether, it's a lot of stuff to take with
you. What I'd have liked was the option to load the camera via the
ISB port. But probably its power would be enough.

Philotech
 
Hey it ain't that bad! THe cradle is VERY light and much less an annoyance than the AC adaptor with its cables. I wouldn't call it "bulky", really.

But apart from that I agree with you about cradles and the sort. It's very similar to all the cradles with your Palms, Pocket PCs etc. Only now there are some companies that allow you to connect the adaptor without the cradle, I believe it's Sony with their CLIEs and Asus with their great iPaq-alike PPC.

Philotech
Thanks for the very detailed information. Yes, the cradle is a
great idea if you stays home all the time... but would you, if you
have got this little gem? Why can't they make some sort of a
'travelling kit' for it? I have done some research on the web and
couldn't find any additional accessories except a few carrying
cases.

So for this very reason alone, the Exlim is a no no for me!

Cheers!
Just one more question. Can it charge directly using the AC
adaptor? What I mean is that when you travel, you certainly
wouldn't like to take alone the rather bulky cradle. Is it
possible to plug the AC adaptor into the camera itself to charge
the battery within it?
Right you rather wouldn't want to but you'd have to :(
And if you don't live in the US you're probably even more unlucky:
Over there the AC adaptor includes the plug, so you "only" need the
camera, the cradle, the AC adaptor with its single cable to the
cradle. In Europe to also need the very bulky mains cable from the
adaptor to the plug. Altogether, it's a lot of stuff to take with
you. What I'd have liked was the option to load the camera via the
ISB port. But probably its power would be enough.

Philotech
 
From window displays, the plastic "input tray" of that cradle looks quite flimsy and fragile. If I were its owner, I would rather not carry it around to avoid damages!

Any comments?
Philotech
Thanks for the very detailed information. Yes, the cradle is a
great idea if you stays home all the time... but would you, if you
have got this little gem? Why can't they make some sort of a
'travelling kit' for it? I have done some research on the web and
couldn't find any additional accessories except a few carrying
cases.

So for this very reason alone, the Exlim is a no no for me!

Cheers!
Just one more question. Can it charge directly using the AC
adaptor? What I mean is that when you travel, you certainly
wouldn't like to take alone the rather bulky cradle. Is it
possible to plug the AC adaptor into the camera itself to charge
the battery within it?
Right you rather wouldn't want to but you'd have to :(
And if you don't live in the US you're probably even more unlucky:
Over there the AC adaptor includes the plug, so you "only" need the
camera, the cradle, the AC adaptor with its single cable to the
cradle. In Europe to also need the very bulky mains cable from the
adaptor to the plug. Altogether, it's a lot of stuff to take with
you. What I'd have liked was the option to load the camera via the
ISB port. But probably its power would be enough.

Philotech
 
It is not flimsy or fragile, but it is pretty big, and I wouldn't particularly want to take it along on a trip unless I had no other options (which I guess I don't). It seems to me that somebody should make a very tiny (like the Canon Ixus) battery charger.

-barry
Any comments?
Philotech
Thanks for the very detailed information. Yes, the cradle is a
great idea if you stays home all the time... but would you, if you
have got this little gem? Why can't they make some sort of a
'travelling kit' for it? I have done some research on the web and
couldn't find any additional accessories except a few carrying
cases.

So for this very reason alone, the Exlim is a no no for me!

Cheers!
Just one more question. Can it charge directly using the AC
adaptor? What I mean is that when you travel, you certainly
wouldn't like to take alone the rather bulky cradle. Is it
possible to plug the AC adaptor into the camera itself to charge
the battery within it?
Right you rather wouldn't want to but you'd have to :(
And if you don't live in the US you're probably even more unlucky:
Over there the AC adaptor includes the plug, so you "only" need the
camera, the cradle, the AC adaptor with its single cable to the
cradle. In Europe to also need the very bulky mains cable from the
adaptor to the plug. Altogether, it's a lot of stuff to take with
you. What I'd have liked was the option to load the camera via the
ISB port. But probably its power would be enough.

Philotech
 

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