Dyxum user talks about future Sony plans...

He says:
" I have some inside info.

Sony is preparing to introduce EVIL cameras. They will have 3 lines.

A230-550 - low end - eventually will be phased out - within a decade - Sony considers this to be an interim format.
EVIL LINE - full line eventually - basically 35 mm replacement
A800-1000 - pro - basically MF format replacement

The effort goes now to the EVIL models, with new Zeiss and Sony lenses. They will have superior video with high performance contrast focusing.

The evil cameras will be small, high performance; you'll be able to use older lenses with an adopter. The cameras will be "APSC CMOS size" based. Because of close flange distance, therefore smaller diffraction, lens design will be simpler, smaller, and resolution will be on par with FF. With checkerboard pixel pattern, similar to their ClearVid CMOS pattern, expect 25 MP cameras with 50 MP performance soon, but not initially.

Don't expect A700 replacement. A new EVIL camera will be a replacement - with two models - one will be 14 MP, another one will be 18 MP.

A700 is a real bargain. Get it when you can. The EVIL model will cost a lot more, but will be superior.

Sony will come out with less and more expensive FF bodies.

Future concentration will be EVIL and FF.

Sony just introduced two HD camcorders. Their XDCAM PMW-350 and EX1R. The #350 has better performance than Sony's HDCAM 900, which used to cost $150K with a lens. The new model is about $22K with lens.

Technology is marching on. Sony is in the forefront of this technology. Just as they lead the worldwide broadcast field, with convergence of video and still photography, they aim at being the world still camera leader. Don't think that the convergence happened already. The future cameras will be quite different, and so will be the way photographs are taken and displayed. Think 3D and ability to select picture from before to after you push the trigger.

Don't think that Sony is lagging in introducing new APSC technology. They will be introducing superior technology. "

found in http://sonyalpharumors.com/

A700 will be replaced. That is just myopinion but just do not see Sony letting Canon and Nikon run wild in this market space.

APS-C will be around for a long time yet.

Do know nothing about future Sony DSLR line.

But 'EVIL' is a trademark extremely distractive and destructive to the marketing.
I would not buy the camera with that label on the face.
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Sony Alpha 700 * KM 5D * KM 20/2.8 * KM 50/1.4 * SAL 50/2.8 macro * Tamron 90/2.8 macro * KM135/2.8 * SAL 24-70/2.8 ZA SSM * SAL 70-300/4.5-5.6 G SSM * KM 28-75/2.8 * KM 70-210/3.5-4.5 * KM 18-70/3.5-5.6 * Tokina 100-300/4 * KM 5600HS * Kenko 1.5 Teleconvertor

Dainese logo is an evil ( http://www.dainese.it ) and their marketing is very well ranched.

DaddyBit said:

Do know nothing about future Sony DSLR line.

But 'EVIL' is a trademark extremely distractive and destructive to the marketing.
I would not buy the camera with that label on the face.
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MAKE PHOTOS, NOT FLAMES!
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Sony Alpha 700 * KM 5D * KM 20/2.8 * KM 50/1.4 * SAL 50/2.8 macro * Tamron 90/2.8 macro * KM135/2.8 * SAL 24-70/2.8 ZA SSM * SAL 70-300/4.5-5.6 G SSM * KM 28-75/2.8 * KM 70-210/3.5-4.5 * KM 18-70/3.5-5.6 * Tokina 100-300/4 * KM 5600HS * Kenko 1.5 Teleconvertor

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Sony DSLR-A700 * Zeiss 24-70/2.8 * Sony 50/1.4 * Minolta 70-210/4 * Minolta 75-300/4.5-5.6 * Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 * Sigma 50-500/4-6.3 * Sigma 105/2.8 Macro * Tamron 70-200/2.8 * Metz 54 MZ-4i * Nissin 3200GS

My english is awful, I was meaning "ranked".

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Sony DSLR-A700 * Zeiss 24-70/2.8 * Sony 50/1.4 * Minolta 70-210/4 * Minolta 75-300/4.5-5.6 * Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 * Sigma 50-500/4-6.3 * Sigma 105/2.8 Macro * Tamron 70-200/2.8 * Metz 54 MZ-4i * Nissin 3200GS

Highly speculative.

I also think Sony will introduce a mirror-less model, but I expect them to proceed cautiously, perhaps with a A400 to test the market (or a new numbering system), designed to work with Alpha lenses but also capable of using new lenses that take advantage of the smaller flange distance.

The time scale may be some what longer than many think, and I would think that there will be an A700 replacement.

... of course, I could be wrong.

Zamac said:

Highly speculative.

I also think Sony will introduce a mirror-less model, but I expect them to proceed cautiously, perhaps with a A400 to test the market (or a new numbering system), designed to work with Alpha lenses but also capable of using new lenses that take advantage of the smaller flange distance.

The time scale may be some what longer than many think, and I would think that there will be an A700 replacement.

... of course, I could be wrong.

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I would seriously doubt that when Sony comes out with an EVIL camera, that they would use the A-mount. The problem is that many of the lenses require the use of in-mount AF motor, and that the aperture is activated by mechanical means. Most likely Sony would want to get rid of both features.

This is not to say that Sony couldn't come out with an adapter that allows use of A-mount lenses.The adapter would house both a motor for focusing and for activation of the aperture lever.

I clicked on the link to Dyxum to read the info you posted. However, the Dyxum page doesn't show the info. Maybe, Sony made them remove the info.

The user who posted this information joined today, with username nocanon. Kiklop (dyxum owner) closed the threads early on, after 6 posts or so, and after nocanon began to bash dpreview and some posters here. Meanwhile a search for nocanon's posts on dyxum will get you zero results.

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There was this other company who's logo was ranched, and they went out of business.

Wenetu said:

Dainese logo is an evil ( http://www.dainese.it ) and their marketing is very well ranched.

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10 years plan? In electronic world, there is no 10 years plan. This rumor is good for a laugh only.

I don't care about evil format or not. Just bring me more lens. Sony needs to speed up the lens introduction (Zeiss and G). Lens is like games to playstations. There are good game system like PC Engine which is dead because there are no games. On the other hand, people will join Sony because of they want that one lens.

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jackdeparte said:

He says:
" I have some inside info.

Sony is preparing to introduce EVIL cameras. They will have 3 lines.

A230-550 - low end - eventually will be phased out - within a decade - Sony considers this to be an interim format.
EVIL LINE - full line eventually - basically 35 mm replacement
A800-1000 - pro - basically MF format replacement

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jackdeparte said:

Technology is marching on. Sony is in the forefront of this technology. Just as they lead the worldwide broadcast field, with convergence of video and still photography, they aim at being the world still camera leader. Don't think that the convergence happened already. The future cameras will be quite different, and so will be the way photographs are taken and displayed. Think 3D and ability to select picture from before to after you push the trigger.

Don't think that Sony is lagging in introducing new APSC technology. They will be introducing superior technology. "

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Well I for one hope this is mostly true ... it promises innovative new technology to come from Sony. If they come up with 'superior APSC technology' I for one will be very pleased with the investment I have made so far in A mount lenses.

Personally, I suspect the mistake above is that there won't be an A700 replacement...I think there will be from what I read. But some of these comments, if genuine, would seem to be a statement of real ambition from 'inside'. Personally I'd like to see Sony do innovative things rather than just be seen to react.

For a company 4 years into the DSLR market they've done pretty well already to grab 3rd place ahead of the likes of Pentax and Olympus who have many years of SLR experience. I for one hope the next couple of years vindicate my investment in Alpha/Minolta mount to date.

Initially, Sony inevitably have to focus on entry level to capture as big a share of the many new entrants into the DSLR market (much larger in number potentially than those whop already have DSLRs)...next they will have to seriously satisfy the upgrade market. But first they have to get as many people buying Alpha mount as possible. Surely this makes perfect sense.

I'm just hoping they have some really good technology up their sleeves... the latest A550 handheld HDR and the fastest available AF liveview are examples of really valueable and innovative features. But ideally I would like them to have some killer sensor tecnology to come....

Hey, Jack, I cannot find rhis on Dyxum or Sony Alpha Rumors; can you point me to it?
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A700; SAL 50 f1.4; SAL 18-250; CZ 85 f1.4

DaddyBit said:

Do know nothing about future Sony DSLR line.

But 'EVIL' is a trademark extremely distractive and destructive to the marketing.
I would not buy the camera with that label on the face.
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It is not Sony's trademark, or any other company's; it's just a type of camera. And there is no consensus that this type of camera will be called EVIL.
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Dulaney
A700; SAL 50 f1.4; SAL 18-250; CZ 85 f1.4

I realise in searching for a quote from another thread I found this thread from a few months ago...that may explain your difficulty in finding it. I didn't spot the timescale until after I posted my reply. But nevertheless it seems an interesting quote from a supposed 'insider'

cyainparadise said:

I clicked on the link to Dyxum to read the info you posted. However, the Dyxum page doesn't show the info. Maybe, Sony made them remove the info.

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I couldn't find it on Dyxum either, or SonyAlphaRumors, but Dyxum doesn't kowtow to Sony, so I doubt it has been removed. Without getting a feel for the origins of this "rumor," it is impossible to gauge its validity, and so I am inclined to ignore it. I am pretty sure that there will be Sony EVIL cameras this year, but I am pretty sure that there will also be a direct replacement for the A700.
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Dulaney
A700; SAL 50 f1.4; SAL 18-250; CZ 85 f1.4

maurus_e said:

The user who posted this information joined today, with username nocanon. Kiklop (dyxum owner) closed the threads early on, after 6 posts or so, and after nocanon began to bash dpreview and some posters here. Meanwhile a search for nocanon's posts on dyxum will get you zero results.

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Ah, thanks.
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Dulaney
A700; SAL 50 f1.4; SAL 18-250; CZ 85 f1.4

JimmyMelbourne said:

A700 will be replaced. That is just myopinion but just do not see Sony letting Canon and Nikon run wild in this market space.

APS-C will be around for a long time yet.

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Yes, Mr Katsumoto already confirm that ( "a dreamy DSLR" he said) in a recent french interview. When maybe 2010 without any garantee (probably available in 2011)

Nothing is real IMHO. I don't see Sony take the risk of a "new adventure" in the economic situation in Japan. Mr TK told they would like to do what the customer want... But nothing about EVIL.

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Evil evil evil. I think if Sony creates a high spec quality EVIL camera that will be great. But don’t forget that professionals will hate the small size. Everyone at this time in history is absolutely mental with the mentality that smaller is always better. The truth is that it all depends. What some people don’t understand is that electronics have more of a potential when they are bigger, this is fact.

Let me explain. For example if Sony somehow packs a current high end pro dslr in a ep-1 sized body they will have no problem putting even more high end features and better hardware in a larger body. This has always been true. Our phones nowadays are so advanced they have more computing power than computers that took up space of large rooms many decades ago. Today even though we have smaller more advanced technology in our small electronics there are still computers servers that take up whole buildings because they are vastly more superior to smaller PC’s. It’s just a fact of life. Besides there is no way I’m mounting a 200-500mm lens on a tiny camera. However this will be a great option for street photography since large cameras give off a bad vibe sometimes. Another reason I like a good sized camera body is that for me it reminds me of a photographic tool, and that it feels great to hold. The image will always be my number one concern, but how I feel about what I am using to get that image is very important to me. Cameras are of course my 2nd hobby my first is photography. Anyways this is sort of a response to all of those threads declaring that dslr's are a thing of the past because of the introduction and further advancement of EVIL.

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sammysoliman said:

dont forget that profesionals will hate the small size.

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What proportion of DSLRs sell to professionals?

sammysoliman said:

Besides theres no way im mounting a 200-500mm lens on a tiny camera.

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What proportion of DSLR owners have a 200-500?

sammysoliman said:

a good size camera body is that for me it reminds me of a photographic tool

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Nostalgia is fine

sammysoliman said:

Anyways this is sort of a respons to all those threads declareing that dslr's are a thing of the past because of the introduction of EVIL.

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Who ever said EVIL will be the death of the DSLR. I'd say many current DSLR owners will be getting a compact EVF body for use on some occasions...as their carry around camera when they don't want to lug their DSLR. They can co-exist.