My Digital Dilemma. Advice sought.

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Hi

I'm in a bit of a dilemma about where to go next with my photography, and I'm hoping some folks with more experience could offer me some of their advice.

I purchased a Canon G1 over a year ago. Over the past year, I have "re-discoverd" photography and am really ejoying it again (used to be keen as a teenager, still got an old Minolta SLR). I must admit I love the instant gratification aspect of digital pgotohgraphy, but I'm ready now to get more serious, maybe with a view to becoming semi-pro.

I would like to get a better camera (e.g. a G3/CP 5700). But I know what I'm like...eventually I'll want a D100!

Can/will a D100 genuinely replace a film SLR like D80 (F80 here in Australia)? I'm talking purely in terms of picture quality here. If so, I'll probably skip an "interim" camera like a G3/CP5700 and save up for a dSLR.

If not, perhaps I'm better off buying a good film SLR (like D80) for serious photos and keep the G1 as more of a "fun" camera?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Simon
 
... so keep the G1 and buy the film camera.

A digital SLR is still a bit of a mouthful and will not make as nice OofC pics as the G1 will – so you may be a bit disappointed. It takes a bit more work, PC experience and time – time & work you need to recoup as a semi-pro, BTW ½ the world is ahead of you already.

If on the other hand you are a young scallywag – troll somewhere else!

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Live life to the power of Nikon!!!
 
Not that onld anyway! I'm also highly PC literate (just not Photoshop literate, yet anyway).

And I'm certainly not trolling...just trying to get a handle on whether dSLR owners (who I assume, by definition are pretty serious photographers) feel that their dSLRs have all but replaced their film cameras.

Sorry I wasn't more sucsinct in my original post.

Cheers,
Simon
 
If you want the best out of camera shots you can get; grab the Sony F707 or F717 as they're very easy to use and very good overall quality images (at least the F707 was and the F717 isn't that much different).

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Hi

I'm in a bit of a dilemma about where to go next with my
photography, and I'm hoping some folks with more experience could
offer me some of their advice.

I purchased a Canon G1 over a year ago. Over the past year, I have
"re-discoverd" photography and am really ejoying it again (used to
be keen as a teenager, still got an old Minolta SLR). I must admit
I love the instant gratification aspect of digital pgotohgraphy,
but I'm ready now to get more serious, maybe with a view to
becoming semi-pro.

I would like to get a better camera (e.g. a G3/CP 5700). But I know
what I'm like...eventually I'll want a D100!

Can/will a D100 genuinely replace a film SLR like D80 (F80 here in
Australia)? I'm talking purely in terms of picture quality here. If
so, I'll probably skip an "interim" camera like a G3/CP5700 and
save up for a dSLR.

If not, perhaps I'm better off buying a good film SLR (like D80)
for serious photos and keep the G1 as more of a "fun" camera?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Simon
 
If it helps you any Simon, I consider myself a "serious amature" and I no longer own any film equipment. I sold my F5 to get a D100 and don't regret it at all. I do miss the F5 but only because I love the camera. I don't miss film.

Digichrome
Not that onld anyway! I'm also highly PC literate (just not
Photoshop literate, yet anyway).

And I'm certainly not trolling...just trying to get a handle on
whether dSLR owners (who I assume, by definition are pretty serious
photographers) feel that their dSLRs have all but replaced their
film cameras.

Sorry I wasn't more sucsinct in my original post.

Cheers,
Simon
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Now.....Digichrome!
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They're very close to replacing film cameras and some photographers have stopped using film all together.

--

http://www.pbase.com/elterrible
Not that onld anyway! I'm also highly PC literate (just not
Photoshop literate, yet anyway).

And I'm certainly not trolling...just trying to get a handle on
whether dSLR owners (who I assume, by definition are pretty serious
photographers) feel that their dSLRs have all but replaced their
film cameras.

Sorry I wasn't more sucsinct in my original post.

Cheers,
Simon
 
Save up for the D100.

I started selling photos in high school in the mid 1950s; shot lots of film, both 35mm and 2 1/4. Eventually drifted away from photography, but came back after buying my first digital camera about 5 years ago. Kept upgrading until I got the D1x. Now I regret not buying it in the first place; my 880 and 5000 are gathering dust, and I keep my Olympus OM system only for shoots where the art director is a digital illiterate. (I did one last year for an art director who insisted on film, then scanned in the images and used the scans. Go figure. I didn't like her layouts, either! )

Once you experience a pro digital camera, you will never go back.

--
^^^Bob^^^
 
Everything really depends upon how critical you are as a photographer and what kinds of imaging you like to do. The camera systems are all tools and all are very good. Select the tool that is right for your needs.

Things to consider

1. All the prosumer digital rangefinder like units can capture good images . Systems with at least 2.74 MP can produce great 8x10s for the average consumer and acceptable 8x10s for most photophiles except for the most picky (a la Nikon D1 & D1h DSLRs). These units, however inexpensive, also have their limitations

a. Higher noise than DSLRs due to smaller CCD sensors
b. Takes longer than most Nikon DSLRs to turn on and get ready to
take a picture
c. Significant time lag between shutter release activitation and
actual image capture -- thus higher likelihood of missing the
spontaneous image as compared to Nikon DSLRs
d. Limited ability to narrow the depth of field to isolate your subject
due to smaller aperatures

2. Any SLR system (filim or digital) will give you tremendous flexibility
a. Opportunity to choose from a variety of lenses from consumer
grade all the way up to pro grade -- more importantly, you
have the ability to select lenses with better characteristics
than can be found in the rangefinder digital systems in terms
of zoom range and aperture
b. For the models that are shoot priority, you get instantaneous
on and readiness to capture images with minimal shutter release
time lag.

3. The upfront cost for digital is steep -- digital SLR, lenses, accessories, computer, CD burner, CD media, image processing software

4. With digital,
a. From a learning stand point, you will have more opportunity to shoot
more images rapidly and experiment with bracketing, white balance
adjustment, and filters without worrying about wasting money on
film (a thought process which can hinder some from just going out
and taking pictures) -- the cost is actually shifted from the back end
of film to the front end of the initial investment
b. You will have instant access to the images for processing. You will
now have control over the processing instead of the lab having
control over your processing and final output. Your computer is
now your darkroom

When you invest in an SLR system, you are really investing in a lens system. Nikon and Canon are both excellent, though they have their lemons. The lenses will outlast your SLR body. Every couple of years, new DSLRs and even film cameras come out.

I used to shoot film for years using two Minolta X700s. I'm now 100% digital using Nikon DSLRs with excellent results far better than what I achieved with film -- better Nikon lenses than what I had before also help. With the lenses, I always have the opportunity to go back to film SLRs, but just can't see myself doing that since digital is so good for what I like to shoot and do.

Do a search on this forum and even the Canon and Fuji forums. You'll find many pro's and serious amateurs who have made the switch to digital doing weddings, nature, and many other things.

The question to ask yourself is ... how have you liked the images from the G1. How critical a photographer are you? Then decide for yourself which direction you want to go -- take the plunge in to digital SLR and invest in a good lens system or stick with film SLR and invest in a good lens system while forever waiting for the perfect digital system or stick with typical rangefinder like DSLRs which can limit the expandability of your imaging system and perhaps limit your ability to do creative things.

One thing you can try is to rent a digital system or try one out at your local camera shop to see how you like the systems. Take a CF with you to a store, take some pictures around the store comparing the different systems (DSLR and lenses vs your G1 or other rangefinder like digital)

Cheers
Hi

I'm in a bit of a dilemma about where to go next with my
photography, and I'm hoping some folks with more experience could
offer me some of their advice.

I purchased a Canon G1 over a year ago. Over the past year, I have
"re-discoverd" photography and am really ejoying it again (used to
be keen as a teenager, still got an old Minolta SLR). I must admit
I love the instant gratification aspect of digital pgotohgraphy,
but I'm ready now to get more serious, maybe with a view to
becoming semi-pro.

I would like to get a better camera (e.g. a G3/CP 5700). But I know
what I'm like...eventually I'll want a D100!

Can/will a D100 genuinely replace a film SLR like D80 (F80 here in
Australia)? I'm talking purely in terms of picture quality here. If
so, I'll probably skip an "interim" camera like a G3/CP5700 and
save up for a dSLR.

If not, perhaps I'm better off buying a good film SLR (like D80)
for serious photos and keep the G1 as more of a "fun" camera?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Simon
 
Good luck finding a shop that actually has a D100 or a D60 available ( in stock ), let alone available for use as a display or evaluation unit.

That has certainly been my experience of late.

I'm convinced that pre-purchase, hands on experience with the D100 is just not possible outside the envelope of return policy tolerance.

Thank god for dpreview!!!

-Kevin
Things to consider

1. All the prosumer digital rangefinder like units can capture good
images . Systems with at least 2.74 MP can produce great 8x10s for
the average consumer and acceptable 8x10s for most photophiles
except for the most picky (a la Nikon D1 & D1h DSLRs). These units,
however inexpensive, also have their limitations

a. Higher noise than DSLRs due to smaller CCD sensors
b. Takes longer than most Nikon DSLRs to turn on and get ready to
take a picture
c. Significant time lag between shutter release activitation and
actual image capture -- thus higher likelihood of missing the
spontaneous image as compared to Nikon DSLRs
d. Limited ability to narrow the depth of field to isolate your
subject
due to smaller aperatures

2. Any SLR system (filim or digital) will give you tremendous
flexibility
a. Opportunity to choose from a variety of lenses from consumer
grade all the way up to pro grade -- more importantly, you
have the ability to select lenses with better characteristics
than can be found in the rangefinder digital systems in terms
of zoom range and aperture
b. For the models that are shoot priority, you get instantaneous
on and readiness to capture images with minimal shutter release
time lag.

3. The upfront cost for digital is steep -- digital SLR, lenses,
accessories, computer, CD burner, CD media, image processing
software

4. With digital,
a. From a learning stand point, you will have more opportunity to
shoot
more images rapidly and experiment with bracketing, white balance
adjustment, and filters without worrying about wasting money on
film (a thought process which can hinder some from just going out
and taking pictures) -- the cost is actually shifted from the back end
of film to the front end of the initial investment
b. You will have instant access to the images for processing. You will
now have control over the processing instead of the lab having
control over your processing and final output. Your computer is
now your darkroom

When you invest in an SLR system, you are really investing in a
lens system. Nikon and Canon are both excellent, though they have
their lemons. The lenses will outlast your SLR body. Every couple
of years, new DSLRs and even film cameras come out.

I used to shoot film for years using two Minolta X700s. I'm now
100% digital using Nikon DSLRs with excellent results far better
than what I achieved with film -- better Nikon lenses than what I
had before also help. With the lenses, I always have the
opportunity to go back to film SLRs, but just can't see myself
doing that since digital is so good for what I like to shoot and do.

Do a search on this forum and even the Canon and Fuji forums.
You'll find many pro's and serious amateurs who have made the
switch to digital doing weddings, nature, and many other things.

The question to ask yourself is ... how have you liked the images
from the G1. How critical a photographer are you? Then decide for
yourself which direction you want to go -- take the plunge in to
digital SLR and invest in a good lens system or stick with film SLR
and invest in a good lens system while forever waiting for the
perfect digital system or stick with typical rangefinder like DSLRs
which can limit the expandability of your imaging system and
perhaps limit your ability to do creative things.

One thing you can try is to rent a digital system or try one out at
your local camera shop to see how you like the systems. Take a CF
with you to a store, take some pictures around the store comparing
the different systems (DSLR and lenses vs your G1 or other
rangefinder like digital)

Cheers
Hi

I'm in a bit of a dilemma about where to go next with my
photography, and I'm hoping some folks with more experience could
offer me some of their advice.

I purchased a Canon G1 over a year ago. Over the past year, I have
"re-discoverd" photography and am really ejoying it again (used to
be keen as a teenager, still got an old Minolta SLR). I must admit
I love the instant gratification aspect of digital pgotohgraphy,
but I'm ready now to get more serious, maybe with a view to
becoming semi-pro.

I would like to get a better camera (e.g. a G3/CP 5700). But I know
what I'm like...eventually I'll want a D100!

Can/will a D100 genuinely replace a film SLR like D80 (F80 here in
Australia)? I'm talking purely in terms of picture quality here. If
so, I'll probably skip an "interim" camera like a G3/CP5700 and
save up for a dSLR.

If not, perhaps I'm better off buying a good film SLR (like D80)
for serious photos and keep the G1 as more of a "fun" camera?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Simon
 
There are a lot of D100s available in stores.. I think Nikon did a very good job with their production line..

Michael
Good luck finding a shop that actually has a D100 or a D60
available ( in stock ), let alone available for use as a display or
evaluation unit.

That has certainly been my experience of late.

I'm convinced that pre-purchase, hands on experience with the D100
is just not possible outside the envelope of return policy
tolerance.
 
So far in the Dallas area, I've not found a brick and mortar store with a D100 available for inspection.

It is likely that I've missed something as I am a newbie. So... I would very much appreciate pointers ( and stand corrected ) from anyone on this forum ( board ) who has information to the contrary.

-Kevin
Michael
Good luck finding a shop that actually has a D100 or a D60
available ( in stock ), let alone available for use as a display or
evaluation unit.

That has certainly been my experience of late.

I'm convinced that pre-purchase, hands on experience with the D100
is just not possible outside the envelope of return policy
tolerance.
 
Simon I'm just curious why you aren't considering the D60, or are you?

Not that it really matters as both are fine cameras, but I would expect you to have considered the D60 coming from a G1.

As for digital, theres no turning back, but until I get a FF digital I will keep my film SLRs. I use them for ultra wide shots. But the quality is definitely close!

As for it being more difficult then consumer digitals as another poster perhaps well in his years had suggested, BS. If I can use cameras like the D1X, D60 and learn photoshop, any one can. In fact most of the time I can even skip PS, but use it for printing. I think some people just like to feel like they are special or have greater worth. There is no special skills required to use a DSLR or PS. Anyone can easily learn with little effort, and it's fun learning too!

Go for it!

--
Every Camera Has Short Comings,
some camera's fall short of coming!
http://digitalphotonews.ws
 
Simon I'm just curious why you aren't considering the D60, or are you?
Jim,

I would definitely consider a D60. I guess the D100 is the frontrunner for me at present because it is a bit cheaper. But if I thought the D60 was worth the extra $$'s, the price difference (which is admittedly small in % terms) wouldn't put me off.

Thanks for your post!

Cheers,
Simon
 
---- seem to have misinterpreted the post - sorry.

For me the D-SLR has replaced film but I still can’t personally get what I want from digital in same way as I did with slide film.

My favourite working method was to under expose 1/3 stop and use a polarising filter. I work the same way with digital but I just don’t reach the same impact. It is close enough for many.

Here is a few samplings from my E10 days – strangely I’ve never repeated this with my D1x or D100.

http://homepage.eircom.net/~bestpie/E10/E10.html

One, naturally cannot speak for someone else and starting in digital can be very, very expensive – the cheapest part is often the actual camera – even one like the D100, but the support a digital device needs can be daunting and complex, hence my initial reply, if one had been a long time with conventional cameras and maybe an old PC in the den then the upheaval and possible disappointment which might necessitate a new PC and OS and then new programs like PhotoShop and transfer times and disk space limits etc. But a young person like yourself, you’ll shrug it off.

BTW we seem to get a share of college students here throwing ideas into the forum so as we write their thesis for them. Some are open and explain their intentions and others are not – that’s where I was coming from with my initial reply. I apologise again.
Not that onld anyway! I'm also highly PC literate (just not
Photoshop literate, yet anyway).
 
Try http://www.photorent.com .
They have a D60 AND a D100 available for rent.

They have great rates and the coolest thing is that they charge you only one extra day for transit time compared to a minimum of 2 days rent with other companies.
 

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