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I have it on some local classifieds near my home.

Not sure if it's...

1. The economy

2. The rumoured new HX5 from Sony (although I doubt the public will even be aware of that yet)
3. Based on their history, it is due for replacement by Panasonic about now
4. Competition from improving mobile phone cameras (some shoot HD video now)
5. My used price is too high (£205, but it is only a few months old)

Am selling the TZ7 because the low light noise is way out of order, but other than it's dubious ergonomics, it is a very clever camera - the zoom lens and iA being it's outstanding features that really do work wonders. (My intended use was a lot of low light photography. I should have done more research in advance.)

(I know it is forbidden to sell on DPreview, so I won't reply to offers or provide my contact details. I would however welcome any selling tips! I don't use eBay as it's too much hassle - always prefer to sell locally.)

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Taikitso said:
I have it on some local classifieds near my home.

Not sure if it's...

1. The economy

2. The rumoured new HX5 from Sony (although I doubt the public will even be aware of that yet)
3. Based on their history, it is due for replacement by Panasonic about now
4. Competition from improving mobile phone cameras (some shoot HD video now)
5. My used price is too high (£205, but it is only a few months old)
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My money is on a combination of 1. and 5.

Could it be that when a prospective purchaser can buy a brand new TZ7 with intact UK warranty for under £240, that the £205 you are asking is a little on the high side? I'd have thought that you need to sink well below the £200 mark.
 
Hi

I too am selling my TZ7 (but on ebay) and luckily had not got got rid of my TZ5. The TZ7 low light pics are (IMO) not as good as the TZ5, the contrast seems extreme, the shutter button going next to the control wheel is awkward, and I really would miss the little e-zoom button on the TZ5. So I find the quality of photos and layout on the TZ7 to be inferior which is a shame as I expected so much from this model, and I did try a variety of settings.
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I think you will find that a new one can be bought for £213 free del and warranty if you actually searched for best price.and as usual the price will come down even further after the new model is announced late Jan.but wont be available untill Apl. when the price will be near the £300 mark.as for selling now I also think that at the £160 suggested price for a second hand one should sell quickly and someone will get a bargain.
Just my twopenneth
 
I also agree with the rest.

your simply asking too much ,for a camera ,that is about a year old (doesn't matter that you only had it a few months,it's still almost a year old.

Drop the price,me thinks

ANAYV
 
Taikitso said:
5. My used price is too high (£205, but it is only a few months old)
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Preposterously high price for a used camera released one year ago. I wouldn't buy it for more than £150 if at all, and then only to present it to someone as I would never buy used something so complex and delicate and risk ruining a unique, memorable, priceless ocasion.
MrTaikitso said:
Am selling the TZ7 because the low light noise is way out of order [...]
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BS . Seems to me to be yet another case of someone blaming their tools, etc, etc.
MrTaikitso said:
(I know it is forbidden to sell on DPreview, so I won't reply to offers or provide my contact details. I would however welcome any selling tips!
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Lower the price to realistic levels and you won't need that many tips at all for it to sell.

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See my Lumix ZS3 (TZ7) pics at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mirepapa/

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First of all, thanks to everyone for the tips. You have a point about the fact the model is a year old and my price should reflect that.

Re noise, I am concluding that some may behave differently from others. I have enough experience to know how to counter noise (low ISO, long exposure, tripod etc), but just cannot be rid of it, so it may well be that there are fundamental firmware differences. Perhaps a comparison of serious numbers will help?

Anyway, it is a great camera and I'm not knocking it generally - I just need a pocketable camera (with wide angle) to take some low light (evening) shots. I should have looked at Fuji, but I have utmost respect for Panasonic.

If budget had allowed, would have gone for an LX3.

(Dreaming of a GH1 for the HD video and flip out screen.)
Trensamiro said:
Taikitso said:
5. My used price is too high (£205, but it is only a few months old)
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Preposterously high price for a used camera released one year ago. I wouldn't buy it for more than £150 if at all, and then only to present it to someone as I would never buy used something so complex and delicate and risk ruining a unique, memorable, priceless ocasion.
Trensamiro said:
Am selling the TZ7 because the low light noise is way out of order [...]
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BS . Seems to me to be yet another case of someone blaming their tools, etc, etc.
Trensamiro said:
(I know it is forbidden to sell on DPreview, so I won't reply to offers or provide my contact details. I would however welcome any selling tips!
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Lower the price to realistic levels and you won't need that many tips at all for it to sell.

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See my Lumix ZS3 (TZ7) pics at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mirepapa/

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Taikitso said:
First of all, thanks to everyone for the tips. You have a point about the fact the model is a year old and my price should reflect that .
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Indeed . The moment it does, the moment you'll sell.
MrTaikitso said:
Re noise, I am concluding that some may behave differently from others. I have enough experience to know how to counter noise (low ISO, long exposure, tripod etc), but just cannot be rid of it, so it may well be that there are fundamental firmware differences. Perhaps a comparison of serious numbers will help?
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Like, for instance ? What do you mean by "a comparison of serious numbers" ?
MrTaikitso said:
Anyway, it is a great camera and I'm not knocking it generally - I just need a pocketable camera (with wide angle) to take some low light (evening) shots. [...] If budget had allowed, would have gone for an LX3 .
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"Horses for courses". I on the other hand would have no use for an LX3 , so though my budget fully allows for it (or a Leica M9 for that matter) I would never buy one or accept one as a gift except to pass it on to someone else who would appreciate it.

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See my Lumix ZS3 (TZ7) pics at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mirepapa/

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Trensamiro said:
Trensamiro said:
Re noise, I am concluding that some may behave differently from others. I have enough experience to know how to counter noise (low ISO, long exposure, tripod etc), but just cannot be rid of it, so it may well be that there are fundamental firmware differences. Perhaps a comparison of serious numbers will help?
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Like, for instance ? What do you mean by "a comparison of serious numbers" ?
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Oops! Typo. 'Serial' numbers. Sorry.

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Hi, I'm thinking of buying a TZ7, perhaps I could help you out.

al
 
For a year now I've been reading on various threads that "then I sold (whatever) to fund the purchase of (whatever followed). I heard it so many times that I figured it must mean that selling used camera stuff is "easy" and sorta/kinda profitable. Read: you're not sick about the selling price.

Now that I've been trying to sell some of my own used camera stuff, with no success whatsoever (except for a D60/kit lens that I let somebody steal from me) that the people who ARE having success are ones who, like me, are giving away their stuff.

It's like once we buy something its resale value is basically half what we paid. If we think we can get 3/4 to 7/8 of what we paid, even just months and few actuations later, fuggetaboutit.

I have a lens (that shall remain nameless) that I can't sell unless I let somebody steal it for 1/3 of what I paid. I have an FZ50 that nobody wants. Sure, I could give it away "here, just take this fine camera, it's free, just take it" or maybe just keep everything I own forever.

I guess the alternative is ebay. The "market" sets the price and it will sell, even if you have to indeed give it away. I haven't tried ebay yet because I really don't need the money and the idea of handing somebody my near-new FZ50 for nothing almost makes me puke.
 
Taikitso said:
First of all, thanks to everyone for the tips. You have a point about the fact the model is a year old and my price should reflect that.

Re noise, I am concluding that some may behave differently from others. I have enough experience to know how to counter noise (low ISO, long exposure, tripod etc), but just cannot be rid of it, so it may well be that there are fundamental firmware differences. Perhaps a comparison of serious numbers will help?

Anyway, it is a great camera and I'm not knocking it generally - I just need a pocketable camera (with wide angle) to take some low light (evening) shots. I should have looked at Fuji, but I have utmost respect for Panasonic.

If budget had allowed, would have gone for an LX3.

(Dreaming of a GH1 for the HD video and flip out screen.)
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Good luck with the sale.
I can understand the fact that you need to sell the camera to fund another.

I have both the TZ7 and LX3 and in my opinion they compliment each other perfectly.
Regards,
Wayne.
 
toomanycanons said:
It's like once we buy something its resale value is basically half what we paid. If we think we can get 3/4 to 7/8 of what we paid, even just months and few actuations later, fuggetaboutit.
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And so it goes with most new products. Buy a new car, it depreciates immediately after you drive it off the lot. Buying used makes some sense financially, but then you don't have the "latest and greatest" if that matters and, of course, one never really knows how the item was treated by the prior owner unless you know something about that person. Those are the trade-offs and I guess it depends on what matter most to someone.
toomanycanons said:
I have a lens (that shall remain nameless) that I can't sell unless I let somebody steal it for 1/3 of what I paid. I have an FZ50 that nobody wants. Sure, I could give it away "here, just take this fine camera, it's free, just take it" or maybe just keep everything I own forever.
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toomanycanons said:
I guess the alternative is ebay. The "market" sets the price and it will sell, even if you have to indeed give it away. I haven't tried ebay yet because I really don't need the money and the idea of handing somebody my near-new FZ50 for nothing almost makes me puke.
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I feel your pain. It's not easy seeing that stuff go for pennies on the dollar. On the other hand, if you feel that you have gotten the use of sometihng for whatever period of time and someone else can now get some good use out of it too, that's recycling at it's best. If you continue to use the camera, lens, [fill in the blank] from time to time, don't need the money that you might get (no matter how little) and have the room for it, then great. If it's just going to sit in a closet, collect dust and take up space, isn't it more efficient to get something for it, move it out and let someone else use it/benefit from it? I know ... sometimes easier said than done. ;-)
 
It's because a TZ7, like any P&S digicam, is almost more electronics than camera. Used consumer electronics does not sell well, unless it's something considered classic - an old quality turntable or something.

I bought a Canon A570 at a pawn shop for $60 and was able to sell it a few months later for $50, although I added some accessories to it (it came with none). I bet the guy who pawned it got $20 or $30.
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Trensamiro said:
"Horses for courses". I on the other hand would have no use for an LX3 , so though my budget fully allows for it (or a Leica M9 for that matter) I would never buy one or accept one as a gift except to pass it on to someone else who would appreciate it.

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See my Lumix ZS3 (TZ7) pics at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mirepapa/
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Why not? It has a P mode just like your P&S has. Don't let the manual control scare you.
 
Trensamiro said:
....and then only to present it to someone as I would never buy used something so complex and delicate and risk ruining a unique, memorable, priceless ocasion.
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Have to disagree with you,on that one.

You must be new to Panasonic camera's.Maybe pretty new to digital camera's,too.
All my camera's ,right now , are used.
My FZ8,FZ20...and TZ1,were all bought less than half price,used!!
(My LX3 was used,but only $100 less,than new,at the time)

Any electronic device can fail,new or used.Most times,they fail sooner than later,if defective,or not build right.

I don't buy a camera,if the LCD or lens has any scratches on them ,at all. Nor any dust inside the lens.Those area's have to be in new condition.

Even my studio recording equipment is now,all used.

My PC is also kinda used (refurbished).Even my laptop. Saved over $500 on that one!!

Ok...even all my cars,I ever drove,were bought used...Saved many thousands on those.

Just put 65,000+ miles on my Grand Marquis,in 4 years...and only thing I had to replace,is the oil,brake pads,and a starter.Now has 155,000 with same water pump,engine,trans,alternator,radiator,compressor,exhaust,etc.

I must be a 'used junkie',lol .

Not sure I will buy new,after my experiences,with used equipment.

But to each it's own.
Trensamiro said:
Trensamiro said:
Am selling the TZ7 because the low light noise is way out of order [...]
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BS . Seems to me to be yet another case of someone blaming their tools, etc, etc.
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Depends on what he was used to.

Anyone coming from a D-SLR,will surely not like to see any noise,at the lowest iso settings.

all panasonic camera's,for years,have some noise ,even at base iso.

Just check out any review.

Of course,on has to 'pixel peep' to see such noise...but some do..and they have that right,if they choose to.

Since many post to the web,and hardly print over 8" x 10" ,pixel peeping tells a different story,than the 'real world'....but you knew that already :)

ANAYV
 
After selling several items -- photographic and not -- over the past several years, I have come to the conclusion: People want something for nothing. If you are selling something, don't ask more than less than half of what it is worth or you'll have a hard time selling it.

For instance, last year I bought a brand new car and I wanted a different set of tires on it, so I tried to sell the tires that came with the car. These are very-highly rated Pirelli high performance tires and they retail for $1,200 a set on Tirerack. I advertised the tires for sale at $399 for all four. They were on the car for only a thousand miles and look brand new. In six months I have not received one query about the tires.

The same thing happened with a laptop I sold recently. I purchased it a year ago for $700. I added hundreds of dollars worth of software, but hardly used the laptop so I decided to sell it. It looked and worked like brand new. I advertised it at several places online for $299 but received no responses. I finally was able to sell it to a friend at work who knows a bargain when he sees one.

It's just a fact of life, I guess -- people are cheapskates.

--StevenN
 
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