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I think that body would be the D3s that are sold out everywhere unless you tell Nikon you are going to the Olympics...
mmalkin15 said:
This might be a sign that the Japan factory is just busy making batches of something new - not necessarily something that relates to or replaces the D3x. I think the pro bodies still come from the Japanese factory.
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georgeRC said:
The D3 is discontinued.
At B&H, no used D3 available.
The D3x is backordered.
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Post heading is "Out of stock" So backordered or out of stock, basically just different wording. He didn't mention the D3. Assuming because the obvious lack of it's availability was the launching of the D3S?
georgeRC said:
The D3s is available for "pre-order"

There are online sites where you can get a D3- body, but for a price.

It appears that after the initial delivery of the D3s to dealers, few if any additional copies were delivered.

So, why?

So far, all I've seen is speculation. So here is my summary of the explanations that have been, or might be offered.
  • Nikon wants to keep prices up by restricting production. (But, how do they make money on zero sales?)
  • Nikon grossly underestimated demand. (Really?)
  • Nikon has shifted production to new gear that will be announced in a month or so.
  • Nikon is experiencing production problems. (But, what evidence for this other than a dearth of D3- bodies?)
It seems to me that all we can do is wait to see what the explanation really is.
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Probably the soundest most certain plan of action.

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I neglected to add that the same retailer (The Camera Store - Canada) had the same condition occur when the D3 became scarce in the weeks leading up to the D3S announcement.

I know no one expects a D3XS at this time, but like the OP 'I am just saying' ;-)

Today, I noticed that too at our excellent, high volume local supplier (Canada):

D3X Out of Stock: http://www.thecamerastore.com/...l-cameras/digital-slr-cameras/nikon-d3x-body

Whereas D3S is listed as 'Backorder': http://www.thecamerastore.com/...l-cameras/digital-slr-cameras/nikon-d3s-body

I thought it was very strange. Not 'Special Order', Not 'Backorder', but 'Out of Stock'!
Mel said:
georgeRC said:
The D3 is discontinued.
At B&H, no used D3 available.
The D3x is backordered.
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Post heading is "Out of stock" So backordered or out of stock, basically just different wording. He didn't mention the D3. Assuming because the obvious lack of it's availability was the launching of the D3S?
Member said:
The D3s is available for "pre-order"

There are online sites where you can get a D3- body, but for a price.

It appears that after the initial delivery of the D3s to dealers, few if any additional copies were delivered.

So, why?

So far, all I've seen is speculation. So here is my summary of the explanations that have been, or might be offered.
  • Nikon wants to keep prices up by restricting production. (But, how do they make money on zero sales?)
  • Nikon grossly underestimated demand. (Really?)
  • Nikon has shifted production to new gear that will be announced in a month or so.
  • Nikon is experiencing production problems. (But, what evidence for this other than a dearth of D3- bodies?)
It seems to me that all we can do is wait to see what the explanation really is.
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Probably the soundest most certain plan of action.

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Mel
http://www.mellockhartphotography.zenfolio.com
http://www.mellockhartphotography.net
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M Lammerse said:
zzddrr wrote:

Not sure where you are living but here in Europe most models are not at all difficult to get, from the D3000 to even the D3X. And in most of Japan it's not different. and im not speaking only about cameras'
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Well, right now I am not far from the Netherlands. :-) No need to introduce me Europe.
M Lammerse said:
No competition...? And why do you think there is no competition? There is a lot of competition even the D3X has to some extend :-)
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If there would be lot of competition you would see decent price drops... Also, don't forget we are talking about only 2 companies that control over 80% of the market.

Tell, me what competition are you talking when it comes to the D3x?
 
KnightPhoto2 said:
I neglected to add that the same retailer (The Camera Store - Canada) had the same condition occur when the D3 became scarce in the weeks leading up to the D3S announcement.

I know no one expects a D3XS at this time, but like the OP 'I am just saying' ;-)
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Too blanket of a statement. I think that "many"would not be surprised by a D3XS announcement between now and spring ; ~ )
KnightPhoto2 said:
Today, I noticed that too at our excellent, high volume local supplier (Canada):

D3X Out of Stock: http://www.thecamerastore.com/...l-cameras/digital-slr-cameras/nikon-d3x-body

Whereas D3S is listed as 'Backorder': http://www.thecamerastore.com/...l-cameras/digital-slr-cameras/nikon-d3s-body

I thought it was very strange. Not 'Special Order', Not 'Backorder', but 'Out of Stock'!
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In view of what I posted above. Yes, it is a bit coincindental at this particular time.
We will soon see though.
KnightPhoto2 said:
Mel said:
georgeRC said:
The D3 is discontinued.
At B&H, no used D3 available.
The D3x is backordered.
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Post heading is "Out of stock" So backordered or out of stock, basically just different wording. He didn't mention the D3. Assuming because the obvious lack of it's availability was the launching of the D3S?
KnightPhoto2 said:
The D3s is available for "pre-order"

There are online sites where you can get a D3- body, but for a price.

It appears that after the initial delivery of the D3s to dealers, few if any additional copies were delivered.

So, why?

So far, all I've seen is speculation. So here is my summary of the explanations that have been, or might be offered.
  • Nikon wants to keep prices up by restricting production. (But, how do they make money on zero sales?)
  • Nikon grossly underestimated demand. (Really?)
  • Nikon has shifted production to new gear that will be announced in a month or so.
  • Nikon is experiencing production problems. (But, what evidence for this other than a dearth of D3- bodies?)
It seems to me that all we can do is wait to see what the explanation really is.
Click to expand...
Probably the soundest most certain plan of action.

--
Mel
http://www.mellockhartphotography.zenfolio.com
http://www.mellockhartphotography.net
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http://images.nikonians.org/galleries/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/119002
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Mel
http://www.mellockhartphotography.zenfolio.com
http://www.mellockhartphotography.net
 
Well, you would have to come up with some level of evidence to support your theory. The FTC really can't follow every little complaint / theory / problem in all of the various industries that they are supposed to regulate.

Other than the fact that there are a very limited number of suppliers for DSLR sensors, something that isn't particularly surprising for a high tech device sold in limited numbers, what do you base your theory on?

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RG
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I think my post was too laconic (getting lazy in my old age?). I should have spelled out that I see some very strange aspects in the current situation:
  • Unless you want to pay a premium price, you can't get a D3-class body, you can maybe order and wait.
  • The D3s and D3x are their flagships, but don't seem to be in production! Very strange. It's especially noteworthy that the D3s is quite new, but the initial production quickly sold out, and it hasn't been in stock, as far as I can tell, since then. Very, very strange.
I don't doubt that Nikon sees the D3- bodies as small end of the market for numbers, but can it be that they also don't see much profit margin per unit? And what is going on at their factory, idleness or producing something else? If they plan soon to announce a D800, or something else that they hope to sell in (relatively) big numbers, maybe that is all their plant in Japan has been making lately.

But, I get the impression that the backlog of orders for the D3s must be substantial, and it's their latest product in the high end line. So what gives?
 
rgolub said:
Well, you would have to come up with some level of evidence to support your theory. The FTC really can't follow every little complaint / theory / problem in all of the various industries that they are supposed to regulate.

Other than the fact that there are a very limited number of suppliers for DSLR sensors, something that isn't particularly surprising for a high tech device sold in limited numbers, what do you base your theory on?
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Speculation. If you properly read my previous post probably you would have noticed that I was talking about this as a "theory." (I even used capitalized letters but obviously you missed the point). Since I don't work for any of those companies and don't go out to drink beer with execs from them, then how on earth would I have evidence?

All, I was saying that it is quite possible that these corrupt (why not) dudes may have engaged in price fixings.

Read some news articles about samsung, sharp, sony, and many cotract manufacturers and then you may not find my theory so surprising.
 
Rickard Hansson said:
Please...

So if an tool shop is out of an drill from an specific manufacturer, does that mean that the drill will be replaced or just that they are out of stock?
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Not that simple Richard.

If there are no other factors (as with the D3X and another high MP model about to be launched as is the case here), then no, and I completely agree. Please...
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georgeRC said:
I think my post was too laconic (getting lazy in my old age?). I should have spelled out that I see some very strange aspects in the current situation:
  • Unless you want to pay a premium price, you can't get a D3-class body, you can maybe order and wait.
  • The D3s and D3x are their flagships, but don't seem to be in production! Very strange. It's especially noteworthy that the D3s is quite new, but the initial production quickly sold out, and it hasn't been in stock, as far as I can tell, since then. Very, very strange.
I don't doubt that Nikon sees the D3- bodies as small end of the market for numbers, but can it be that they also don't see much profit margin per unit? And what is going on at their factory, idleness or producing something else? If they plan soon to announce a D800, or something else that they hope to sell in (relatively) big numbers, maybe that is all their plant in Japan has been making lately.

But, I get the impression that the backlog of orders for the D3s must be substantial, and it's their latest product in the high end line. So what gives?
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I can only relate that when purchasing almost all of Nikons previous flagship bodies to date. That there is always a lack in availability after the initial models get snapped up. Why I order NPS only anymore.

There will be another major batch out though. Perhaps if Thom sees this he can give a good idea of when?

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Mel
http://www.mellockhartphotography.zenfolio.com
http://www.mellockhartphotography.net
 
Pros needing extras, ams wanting to upgrade before they go?

(But hoping there are new models coming out...)
 
Funny Vistek in Toronto has D3X, just checked. But D3 & D3s for rent or lease. They are Canada's Biggest camera store.
 
I do think we will see an upgrade to the D3X sometime this year, if not in February. The flagship model of the Nikon line just lacks too many features that lower end cameras already have. It would make sense to have a D3Xs with better ISO, the shaky sensor cleaning thingie, and 1080P vid (what genius in Nikon product dev. decided that 720p for the D3s would attract video professionals? this was the bonehead move of the year. Why not just call Canon up and say "here. we're going to give you this advantage. Don't hurt us too bad"). But we'll see.

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I don't know enough about these companies but how about Nikon says "high iso" and canon says "1080p", lets work together. I myself could care less about video in these cameras. I do agree it seems a D3Xs would make sense at least for the upgraded features on the D3s body including sensor shake and live preview button.
 
Mel said:
georgeRC said:
I think my post was too laconic (getting lazy in my old age?). I should have spelled out that I see some very strange aspects in the current situation:
  • Unless you want to pay a premium price, you can't get a D3-class body, you can maybe order and wait.
  • The D3s and D3x are their flagships, but don't seem to be in production! Very strange. It's especially noteworthy that the D3s is quite new, but the initial production quickly sold out, and it hasn't been in stock, as far as I can tell, since then. Very, very strange.
I don't doubt that Nikon sees the D3- bodies as small end of the market for numbers, but can it be that they also don't see much profit margin per unit? And what is going on at their factory, idleness or producing something else? If they plan soon to announce a D800, or something else that they hope to sell in (relatively) big numbers, maybe that is all their plant in Japan has been making lately.

But, I get the impression that the backlog of orders for the D3s must be substantial, and it's their latest product in the high end line. So what gives?
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I can only relate that when purchasing almost all of Nikons previous flagship bodies to date. That there is always a lack in availability after the initial models get snapped up. Why I order NPS only anymore.

There will be another major batch out though. Perhaps if Thom sees this he can give a good idea of when?
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I wonder these outages have something to do with incorporating fixes? I mean, that's when Nikon gets real feedback from the folks after the initial release, wait 1-2 months and modify the product/manufacturing/assembly process to fix those issues? For example, I bet they will do something with the 70-200 VRII. (Of course this was a lense example but the same can be true for cameras)
 
thafuzz said:
I don't know enough about these companies but how about Nikon says "high iso" and canon says "1080p", lets work together. I myself could care less about video in these cameras. I do agree it seems a D3Xs would make sense at least for the upgraded features on the D3s body including sensor shake and live preview button.
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What really bothers me is that whenever Nikon spends time to improve the video, this takes away resources from other developments such as still images etc. It's a kind of catch 22 because your competition does it. On the other hand, I wonder why Nikon just did not aquire a company that has more experience in developing video? (I know it can take forever to integrate the new company but also they could have formed a strategic alliance with some companies)
 
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