Is E-520 a step up or sideways?

Gidday Bob
John King,

Thanks for the samples. I think that those are close to the sharpest/clearest images that I've seen posted by anyone anywhere in any of the various forums that I've visited in a long while. You make a very strong case for those lenses.
Thanks for sharing.
How does one represent blushing with an emoticon?

As I said to Leo, I am truly humbled by such words of praise as yours. Thank you for expressing that to me. While I have been taking piccies for a very long time (over 50 years ... ), it is really only since moving to digital in around 2004 that I started to think more creatively about my photography.

As others here have already said, I read many books by and about successful photographers; I looked keenly and closely at their images; I looked even more closely at my own, knowing that something in that frame had attracted my attention ... But what was it?

Then I started to see better what I was looking at, both in pictures in books and on the screen. I have been enormously inspired by many here, from old lags like myself to complete newbies who naturally have that "eye" that I have been striving so hard to learn. I found that the ability to zoom in on areas within my pictures on the computer (and on the camera display at times ... ) has helped me enormously to isolate the thing within the scene that tells the story about the whole scene, without just taking a "holiday snap" of the whole scene.

Don't get me wrong; I am not looking down on "holiday snaps" - these are probably the most important images we will ever take with our cameras, both for ourselves, and for posterity.

I think that I am only now starting to see the essence of what I want to capture at the time of capture. Ansel Adams called it 'pre-visualisation'. I am not seeing the world "through the viewfinder of a camera" (God forbid!!), but I am starting to be able to see the essence of the thing I want to capture within a larger scene, and then to isolate that thing with my photograph. I only very rarely crop any of my images (sometimes this is unavoidable). I rarely do much PP on them either. I want to get it "right" as best as I am able at every step of the way.

I shoot RAW + JPEG with all of my cameras. I try to get the image as right as I can at the time of capture. Discipline in framing, composition of form and colour, precision in focusing, getting the precise, essential, story telling thing in precise focus (I only ever use the centre focus point, even with my E-30 which has 11 cross-type points ... ). If necessary (it often is ... ), I focus and re-compose.

I only ever use the JPEGs for 'quick and dirty' upload to my web site. They almost always only ever have an automated PS action applied to them. I never print from JPEGs.

When I PP the RAWs, I try to get everything "just so" in ACR, before opening the data file as an image file. When I do open the file, I do so in ProPhotoRGB and 16 bit so that no data is lost in the data mapping process from RAW file to IMAGE file. I usually save these files as either PSD-16 or TIFF-16 files.

Sorry to rabbit on, but it seemed to be the right time and place. What I am saying in a very roundabout way is that your gear is unlikely to be limiting you. Maybe it is.

Could you tell us about what you currently photograph? Perhaps post some examples (most here do not care what camera you took images with if these things are done in good spirit). Think about what is limiting you. It helps to write these things down, as it is helping me writing these words to you ... It focuses one's attention better than anything else does.

Thanks once again for your very kind comments. I can assure you that they mean a great deal to me (as do Leo's).

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Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
(see profile for current gear)
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John,

Thanks for that very complete response. But it's about to lead me to do something that I usually find disconcerting in many posts here. I'm referring to that--- going off on a dangent, or branching away from the original subject. But you mentioned something like, the capturing of an image show the photographer's intent. (Not sure I stated that very well.) In other words, WHY am I taking this picture, and WHAT am I trying tell?? The eye sees something of interest, but then the mind takes over, and in my case, often ruins my intent. Or, at the very least, complicates things to the point of not being able to mechanically construct(by means of the camera's many techiques)the intent that I had.

I guess it might boil down to: How can one clarify to themself what it is that has turned them on to taking a specific image in the first place?

I shoot nature/wildlife subjects more than most others. If one could take a quick look at ALL of the shots I've ever taken, i think one would find a real interest in animals faces, and especially eyes. That's easy compared to trying to take a meaningful shot of a landscape. Those are very hard(for me)to isolate the reason that I was turned on by what I saw well enough to convey that feeling to another viewer. I think that an image that has that "essence" will convey that feeling without words. How does one acquire this?

But....then there are two kinds of viewers to contend with as well. Those that flip through the images with "that's nice" reactions, and those that REALLY look at them. Some of the images that I spend the most time on, often get that flippant "that's nice" reaction' and they're off to the next photo.

O well, I'm rambling. I guess I can't clearly even ask/explain what I'm feeling here.

Sorry if this is confusing. (However, strangly similar to that same feeling when trying to photograph an image while capturing that "essence".)
 
Especailly when you consider the outstanding telephoto lenses available and the 2X crop factor. You end up with a smaller, lighter kit that you can handhold when shooting in good light.

This was taken with my 70-300mm lens, handheld at 300mm... which is the 35mm equivalent focal length or 600mm, or the Canon APS-c equivalent of 450mm...



Now mind you... the 70-300mm is just a standard grade Olympus lens. Until very recently it was selling for $225 on a promo deal. Today it will cost around $300. If you used a 50-200mm lens your results would be even better. And if you're rich, the 90-250mm lens is downright stunning.

Having said all that, I'm still not so sure I would swap systems if I already owned 4 lenses, and 3 or them were "above kit lens quality."

And sensor based IS is wonderful thing for long range shooters. This means if you ever get a Sigma Bigma 50-500mm lens (100-1000mm after crop factor) then it's STABILIZED. And this is just something that Nikon or Canon can't do....

Canon is also very capable for wildlife shooting. And the new 7D is a very impressive camera. You might gain more by upgrading your Canon body than by swapping for a new system.

If you didn't already have a couple of thousand dollars invested in Canon gear, then I would say... "sure, you'll love Olympus." But from a purely practical standpoint, I'd suggest you stay with Canon. Because they make good cameras and lenses too.
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Marty
http://www.flickr.com/photos/marty4650/sets/72157606210120132/show/
http://www.fluidr.com/photos/marty4650/sets/72157606210120132
Olympus E-30
Zuiko 9-18mm
Zuiko 14-54mm II
Zuiko 40-150mm I
Zuiko 70-300mm
Zuiko 50mm f/2.0 macro

 
The suggestions/advice keep swinging back to "stay with what you have, and don't switch". I just discovered the "Buying Guide", and would you believe that my XS (and Sony a330)were the two results I got(once I removed in-am IS out of the equation). So, I think that what I have is enough camera for me for now. There's a lot for me to learn even with this XS. When I get to feel really limited by some feature or other, that's when I should get ore searious about looking around.

Again, thanks for being so honest with me and not PUSHING Oly as the "one and only DSLR to get".
 
Get this book if you don't already have it: Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson

It is one of the best photography books there is.

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Jyrki Leskelä

 
Gidday Bob
John,

Thanks for that very complete response. But it's about to lead me to do something that I usually find disconcerting in many posts here. I'm referring to that--- going off on a dangent, or branching away from the original subject. But you mentioned something like, the capturing of an image show the photographer's intent. (Not sure I stated that very well.) In other words, WHY am I taking this picture, and WHAT am I trying tell?? The eye sees something of interest, but then the mind takes over, and in my case, often ruins my intent. Or, at the very least, complicates things to the point of not being able to mechanically construct(by means of the camera's many techiques)the intent that I had.

I guess it might boil down to: How can one clarify to themself what it is that has turned them on to taking a specific image in the first place?

I shoot nature/wildlife subjects more than most others. If one could take a quick look at ALL of the shots I've ever taken, i think one would find a real interest in animals faces, and especially eyes. That's easy compared to trying to take a meaningful shot of a landscape. Those are very hard(for me)to isolate the reason that I was turned on by what I saw well enough to convey that feeling to another viewer. I think that an image that has that "essence" will convey that feeling without words. How does one acquire this?

But....then there are two kinds of viewers to contend with as well. Those that flip through the images with "that's nice" reactions, and those that REALLY look at them. Some of the images that I spend the most time on, often get that flippant "that's nice" reaction' and they're off to the next photo.

O well, I'm rambling. I guess I can't clearly even ask/explain what I'm feeling here.

Sorry if this is confusing. (However, strangly similar to that same feeling when trying to photograph an image while capturing that "essence".)
Strangely enough, what you are saying makes perfect sense to me!!

However I see that you have decided (very sensibly, IMO) to stick with what you have, it is probably not very sensible to continue this discussion here.

If you would like to, feel free to drop me a PM. I am much more interested in photography than I am in having gear just to salivate over ... Or not having it , as the case may be ... ;)

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Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
(see profile for current gear)
-- -- --

The Camera doth not make the Man (or Woman) ...
Perhaps being kind to cats, dogs & children does ...

Gallery: http://canopuscomputing.com.au/gallery2/main.php



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John,

I have sent your replies to Bob T. to my photographing friends because it is hard to deliver the views I fully agree with better than you have done it. Thank you for your time and attention.
Leo
 
Gidday Leo
John,

I have sent your replies to Bob T. to my photographing friends because it is hard to deliver the views I fully agree with better than you have done it. Thank you for your time and attention.
Leo
Thank you very much for such kind words.

I have always been of a mind to contribute whatever I can to help others. It is very pleasing to know that I have touched a soul somewhere, sometimes.

And also to know that I have been able to repay a little of the great debt that I owe to many, many others, teachers, parents, ancestors of us all; both my friends and strangers; both alive and dead. Those who wrote their knowledge and insights down and freely shared them with us all.

These are debts that I can never repay to those who gave me their gift, so I try to repay them by assisting others if and when I may.

Thanks once again for telling me this. It has made an otherwise dreary day shine for me. :)

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Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
(see profile for current gear)
-- -- --

The Camera doth not make the Man (or Woman) ...
Perhaps being kind to cats, dogs & children does ...

Gallery: http://canopuscomputing.com.au/gallery2/main.php



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I appreicate all the comments. And as I hinted in my OP, you folks are very honest.
A couple comments after reading your advise.

I don't mind a good used camera or lenses. That is certainly not the least turn-off for me.
You asked about my specific Canon lenses.
18-55IS (kit lens)
50 1.8
70-300IS USM
and Tamron 28-75 2.8
The most important issue keeping me with Canon is useable 1600ISO(no NR needed).
The other thing is the Canon 7-point AF sensor vs Oly's 3 pt. sensor.

I understand that Oly's kit lenses may be better than others' kit lenses. So what kinds of expense would I be in for to get Oly lenses comparable to the Canon lenses I now have. My 4 lenses would cost around $1200(total) NEW right now.

Anyway, as we speak, and based on your comments and my feelings, I'm probably leaning towards sticking with Canon right now.
Thanks so much for helping with this decision. You folks are great.
I would suggest you get a 7D if you really feel the need to get a far better camera then you already have. It would give you the capability right away and make the best use of some of your lenses.

Though i would suggest to wait 1/2 a year or so for it to drop in price some more.
 
Gidday Bob
The suggestions/advice keep swinging back to "stay with what you have, and don't switch". I just discovered the "Buying Guide", and would you believe that my XS (and Sony a330)were the two results I got(once I removed in-am IS out of the equation). So, I think that what I have is enough camera for me for now. There's a lot for me to learn even with this XS. When I get to feel really limited by some feature or other, that's when I should get ore searious about looking around.
Sensible decision, mate.
Again, thanks for being so honest with me and not PUSHING Oly as the "one and only DSLR to get".
Another poster whose opinion I respect recommended to me that I get ' The Photographer's Eye " by Michael Freeman as regards help with composition, framing etc. (Be careful, there is a different book with an identical title by John Szarkowski!!).

I am just reading an old library book written by him (published in 1988) where he writes very lucidly about these things. On the basis of this and the personal recommendation, I will order this book next week.

Here is one reference for it for sale:
http://www.amazon.com/Photographers-Eye-Composition-Design-Digital/dp/0240809343

This may be the book we both want or need ... ;)

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Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
(see profile for current gear)
-- -- --

The Camera doth not make the Man (or Woman) ...
Perhaps being kind to cats, dogs & children does ...

Gallery: http://canopuscomputing.com.au/gallery2/main.php



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