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Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos. Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the park. Thanks.
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Fast and small (for a night club) implies:Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the
park. Thanks.
--For my night shots, I use a Tamron 24-135 and a Promaster FTD 5500 flash with non-dedicated module. This combo works just great for me.Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the
park. Thanks.
I'm quite impressed with the image quality, build quality as well as the overall price of the Sigma 15-30 mm lens.Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the
park. Thanks.
--Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the
park. Thanks.
Hi,Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
--Hi,Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
The equipment you need greatly depends on the type of party and the
focus of your shooting. If you are taking pictures of people in
well-lit restaurants, a usual pro equipment will do just fine. But
if you are going to take photos of dark, smoke-filled dance floor
filled with dancing people and rapidly moving lights, you have to
be extra careful about your equipment.
We have seen numerous times what happens when a professional
photographer that is used to shooting outside or in other well-lit
situations comes to a party with his 28-70L lens, with no tripod -
the results are catastrophic. The laws of normal shooting
situations just don't apply to these kind of parties.
We are not professional photographers, far from it. But during the
time we have had out digital camera (approx. 1 year) we have taken
over 10.000 pictures in techno parties and clubs. During this time,
we have discovered these few basic rules.
Rule no 1. You need to have a lens that goes up to at least 2.0,
preferably even more. When speaking of shooting dark dance floor
without a flash, a usual setting is something like f1.8, 1/8s,
ISO800. An aperture f2.8 is out of question, unless there is a
extremely strong light available (perhaps a strobe light or a
moving head with 1000W or more).
Rule no 2. You need to have a good tripod. The tripod has to be at
least as tall as your shoulders at its maximum, otherwise you will
only get pictures of nearest person's back, not the whole dance
floor like you expected. The tripod has to sturdy enough so that
the bouncing of the bass subwoofers doesn't shake it too much. The
head has to be quickly and easily adjustable.
Rule no 3. With D30/D60, you need all the AF assistance you can
get. A flash with a proper AF light will help a lot. The best AF
light is attached to 420EX. 550EX and ST-E2 have a weaker AF light
enough, the manuals of Canon claim that 550EX could focus better
- the difference compared to 420EX is dramatic. (Surprisingly
than 420EX, but as a Canon representative told us this morning,
this is not the case.)
Rule no 4. Straight, harsh flash will not look good in the club.
Using a transmitter (e.g. ST-E2) and a separate flash one can get
nice results in which shadows from flash look more natural and the
background is filled with ambient light. A cheap, simple tripod for
the separate flash is handy but not necessary. Use flash with care,
though, and preferably with a little bit of lowered power (e.g.
-2/3 stops) and with a long exposure. It is essential to get as
much of the ambient light of the scene as one can, otherwise the
pictures will look really flat and dull.
These rules can be applied with ascending order, meaning that the
first one is the most crucial.
What does this all mean when speaking of equipment? Personally, we
have the following setting:
Canon D30
Canon 50mm 1.4
Sigma 20mm 1.8
Canon ST-E2
Canon 420EX
Manfrotto 055 pro
Novoflex Magic Ball
a cheap Vanguard MK-2 tripod for flash
And when speaking of lenses, remember that the 1.6 multiplier
applies - a tele wouldn't do much unless one tries to capture a
picture of a distant dj playing or something like that. We are
thinking of getting another prime lens with aperture at least f2.0,
propably 28mm. A zoom lens would be great for photographing people,
but the maximum aperture of f2.8 is a great hinder on the dance
floor. Maybe Sigma 28-70/2.8, or if we are feeling rich, same Canon
with L on its back.
This listing is of course based on our own judgement and
experience, but it seems to be working pretty well in techno
parties at least. But when gearing towards more normal lighting
conditions, to better-lit night clubs and restaurants, one can of
course relax with these contstraints.
Best regards,
Ville & Varvana
And when speaking of lenses, remember that the 1.6 multiplier
applies - a tele wouldn't do much unless one tries to capture a
picture of a distant dj playing or something like that. We are
thinking of getting another prime lens with aperture at least f2.0,
propably 28mm. A zoom lens would be great for photographing people,
but the maximum aperture of f2.8 is a great hinder on the dance
floor. Maybe Sigma 28-70/2.8, or if we are feeling rich, same Canon
with L on its back.
--1. Canon 24-85mm f3.5-4.5
2. Metz 54MZ-3 (flash)
3. Stofen omnibounce or
4. a Softbox
This is for when I'm using a flash. The Omnibounce attracts less
attention than the Softbox.
A Flash like the 54MZ-3 or the Canon 550EX or something like
Canon's ST-E2 transmitter is almost required for low light for the
IR AF light. It'll help in the ability to actually get a focus
lock and the speed to get a focus lock.
I think the Canon 24-85 f3.5-4.5 has a good range for indoor people
shots. Lets you get somewhat wide (about 38mm on a D30/60) and also
lets you zoom in a bit. The quality is good stopped down to about
f5.6 or f8. If you are using a good strong flash, you can do this.
I don't know how feasible it would be to try and capture the
ambient light in a nightclub, so I would think you wouldn't need a
fast prime.
If you can bounce the flash, I'd probably use the Stofen
Omnibounce. If you can't bounce the flash, I'd use the softbox. If
you can, you should get a flash bracket in order to get the flash
further away from the camera.
Joo
--Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the
park. Thanks.
blame the equipment.
- Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll
--Jim
--1. Canon 24-85mm f3.5-4.5
2. Metz 54MZ-3 (flash)
3. Stofen omnibounce or
4. a Softbox
This is for when I'm using a flash. The Omnibounce attracts less
attention than the Softbox.
A Flash like the 54MZ-3 or the Canon 550EX or something like
Canon's ST-E2 transmitter is almost required for low light for the
IR AF light. It'll help in the ability to actually get a focus
lock and the speed to get a focus lock.
I think the Canon 24-85 f3.5-4.5 has a good range for indoor people
shots. Lets you get somewhat wide (about 38mm on a D30/60) and also
lets you zoom in a bit. The quality is good stopped down to about
f5.6 or f8. If you are using a good strong flash, you can do this.
I don't know how feasible it would be to try and capture the
ambient light in a nightclub, so I would think you wouldn't need a
fast prime.
If you can bounce the flash, I'd probably use the Stofen
Omnibounce. If you can't bounce the flash, I'd use the softbox. If
you can, you should get a flash bracket in order to get the flash
further away from the camera.
Joo
--Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the
park. Thanks.
blame the equipment.
- Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll
Argus C-3, 50mm f/3.5 Argus coated Cintar WITH flash!
Canon 1D
--Jim
--1. Canon 24-85mm f3.5-4.5
2. Metz 54MZ-3 (flash)
3. Stofen omnibounce or
4. a Softbox
This is for when I'm using a flash. The Omnibounce attracts less
attention than the Softbox.
A Flash like the 54MZ-3 or the Canon 550EX or something like
Canon's ST-E2 transmitter is almost required for low light for the
IR AF light. It'll help in the ability to actually get a focus
lock and the speed to get a focus lock.
I think the Canon 24-85 f3.5-4.5 has a good range for indoor people
shots. Lets you get somewhat wide (about 38mm on a D30/60) and also
lets you zoom in a bit. The quality is good stopped down to about
f5.6 or f8. If you are using a good strong flash, you can do this.
I don't know how feasible it would be to try and capture the
ambient light in a nightclub, so I would think you wouldn't need a
fast prime.
If you can bounce the flash, I'd probably use the Stofen
Omnibounce. If you can't bounce the flash, I'd use the softbox. If
you can, you should get a flash bracket in order to get the flash
further away from the camera.
Joo
--Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the
park. Thanks.
blame the equipment.
- Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll
Argus C-3, 50mm f/3.5 Argus coated Cintar WITH flash!
Canon 1D
--BTW... I do this whether I'm using the omnibounce, softbox, or bare
flash.
Joo
--Jim
--1. Canon 24-85mm f3.5-4.5
2. Metz 54MZ-3 (flash)
3. Stofen omnibounce or
4. a Softbox
This is for when I'm using a flash. The Omnibounce attracts less
attention than the Softbox.
A Flash like the 54MZ-3 or the Canon 550EX or something like
Canon's ST-E2 transmitter is almost required for low light for the
IR AF light. It'll help in the ability to actually get a focus
lock and the speed to get a focus lock.
I think the Canon 24-85 f3.5-4.5 has a good range for indoor people
shots. Lets you get somewhat wide (about 38mm on a D30/60) and also
lets you zoom in a bit. The quality is good stopped down to about
f5.6 or f8. If you are using a good strong flash, you can do this.
I don't know how feasible it would be to try and capture the
ambient light in a nightclub, so I would think you wouldn't need a
fast prime.
If you can bounce the flash, I'd probably use the Stofen
Omnibounce. If you can't bounce the flash, I'd use the softbox. If
you can, you should get a flash bracket in order to get the flash
further away from the camera.
Joo
--Just got my D60. Now I need Lens & Flash for night club photos.
Also would like a good lens for taking photos of my kids at the
park. Thanks.
blame the equipment.
- Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll
Argus C-3, 50mm f/3.5 Argus coated Cintar WITH flash!
Canon 1D
blame the equipment.
- Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll
I've had a blast at Spundae Chicago; they've been a very good thing for Chicago. The Crystal Method show and the James/Sasha shows were frellin' amazing. Those are also shows that I think are better nights as far as my photography goes as well.I really like how sharp your images look. I'm shooting again
tonight and will try out some of your recs. Also, looks like
you've been shooting a lot of the same parties (albeit in different
cities). How are the Spudae parties in Chicago? I haven't had a
chance to ask Peter and Guiv about them yet.
I shoot everything RAW, convert to (16-bit) TIF for post in Photoshop. I then have BreezeBrowser generate the HTML pages, plus the scaled down images (both 'full size' and the thumbs). Breeze does the sharpening, and uses different settings for the two resolutions. The 'full size' I have Breeze output as JPEG at 100%. I then go through everything in Adobe ImageReady to add the copyright watermark to the image and save out at 60% from within ImageReady.Final question: how do you save out your JPGs that you posted?
They just seem so crisp compared to most of mine (use PS6 > Save
for Web > JPG 60%)