D300 to D3s upgrade - pictures AF & ISO

Marcello Geerts

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Dear all,

In a previous post I reported the receipt of the D3S and compared the body to the D300 with grip. Saturday and Sunday I gave the D3S a first workout and these are my findings. I am not doing a direct scene comparison but I am trying to find out my comfort zone during real life shooting. So no 100% crops, just my experience with some pictures.

When using sports I fully rely on autofocus and I am using 3D color tracking a lot on the D300. And I did not have any problems and I have a high keeper rate. The AF of the D3S is faster (especially getting initial focus) and I did not experience any hunting in low light. Tried it in extreme low light and it still focusses quickly in scenario's where the D300 starts hunting and never stops hunting. I am very happy. I would not upgrade from D300 to D3S only for tracking, but would consider it for low light focussing (if I had to make the decision again), because that is significantly better. Tracking is better but not by a mile, I have a very high keeper rate with D300 also.

Then high ISO. On Saturday I took pictures on the ice and snow. Some simple tracking:



No problemo.

After a while in the snow, light was fading quickly. My ISO comfort zone with daylight is 1600. At 100% you see noise and details are disappearing. The D3S is great with 1600:



The light was fading fast and I dialed ISO 3200, I would never consider this with the D300 (out of my comfort zone):



Wow, very good for 3200 even at 100%, trust me.

Then my normal high ISO shooting, a stage with difficult light, singing, moving, spot on faces, darker background and a lot of black. My comfort zone for shooting this with the D300 is ISO 800. Going higher means to much loss of detail (and higher noise, but the details are most important for me).

First show of my wife ISO 800 as reference:



More details and more clear picture, definately better, but not from another world. Am I expecting too much?

Next is 1600 and 3200. Now I notice something funny. These look almost the same as the 800 and are from another world compared to the D300. And now I can dial in a higher shutter speeds and F4 instead of F2.8, which increases the keeper rate. The ISO 3200 example:



Now I am impressed.

Then ISO 12800:



This is amazing and compares to the D300 ISO 800. A 4 stop difference. This means that my comfort zone changes from 800 to 12800.

I am very pleased.

And the weather sealing:





No problems with heavy snow.

If you have any question, please let me know.

Regards,
Marcello
 
Thanks for your interest.

I posted the 6400 and 12800 picture in full res on my website. Camera set to standard (SD), manual mode (spot meter to check the exposure of the faces, light changes from step to step on podium), WB incandescence, noise reduction normal.

http://www.marcellogeerts.nl/html/d3s.html

Please let me know what you think.

Regards,
Marcello
http://www.marcellogeerts.nl
 
The 2 full res files you have provided at 6400 & 12800 respectively show soooo much detail and no artifacts! Even the blacks look solid. Your the only one here that knows just how light was actually on that stage to begin with ...but any camera thats capable of quality @ 12800asa files like that -wow!

I would say 3 stops better than a Canon 5D possibly 4 as 1600asa isnt even on a par with D3s 12800....
Good solid photography btw ;-)

Looks like ebay beckons for me.
 
First show of my wife ISO 800 as reference:



More details and more clear picture, definately better, but not from another world. Am I expecting too much?
It's normal that the ISO 800 shots have less difference, since ISO 800 is already good on the D300. It's on the ISO levels where the D300 isn't good where the difference is.
 
At first it surprised me and through me off a little, until I opened the 3200, 6400 and 12800. After that I had a smile on my face again.
 
You can see clearly difference at ISO 800 between D300/D3/D3S. However it gets funny when you have a lot of blue (a blue sky is a good example) the D3/D3S is clearly better as a D300.

From 1600 however it is a world of difference in any situation.
Michel
First show of my wife ISO 800 as reference:



More details and more clear picture, definately better, but not from another world. Am I expecting too much?
It's normal that the ISO 800 shots have less difference, since ISO 800 is already good on the D300. It's on the ISO levels where the D300 isn't good where the difference is.
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Just a little jealous :) This I hope will be my path as well. I have a D300 and 75% of my shots are indoors and iso800 - iso3200. Ay 3200, I resize to 1200x900 and they look quite good, but at 100%, not so good.

It would be wonderfull to be able to shoot at up to 12800, f4 and 1/800 shutter speed on you example!!?? At 3200 I need 1/80 - 1/125 and a steady hand.

What a fab camera!!

Mike :)
 
Hi Mike,

Was in the same boat, ISO 800, F2.8 and between 1/100 and 1/125. Now my new comfort level will be ISO 3200 to get F4 and a higher shutter speeds (with the 70-200 VR I).

If you have the change, go for it. The D3 might also be a very good option for you, maybe that is feasible.

Regards,
Marcello
 

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