Fujifilm in 2K10

Yeah I know what you mean but the market timing for selling is favorable now. Not selling in revolt but more with an eye towards the future. Hard to imagine the s5 appreciating in value over the next two years. Camera and sensor design will move forward with or without Fuji. Lately I see a lot of love here for the fujis by accomplished photographers too. Makes me wonder.

I know what you mean about situations though. I booked an interracial marriage for October and I think the s5 would do a great job. Who knows thats a long time away and something else might come down the pike.
If I were you I would keep it. I still have my S3 and I recently used it on a shoot. There are so many different situations were it may come in handy. I am not saying sell your Fuji gear in revolt. I am jut saying open your eyes to what else is out there instead of holding your breath waiting on Fuji.

Enjoy your Sony.

D.
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Suppose Fuji's m43 offering (if it ever materializes) exceeds the image quality of S5 would you give it a try? 4/3 sensors may be smaller than APS-C (though not by much), but they have improved a bit since the S5 was launched, and today the E-3 and E-30 are probably not so much behind the S5. Perhaps with the latest generation of Fuji sensors the m43 can be better than the now outdated S5, so there is still improvement though not as good as FF. On the other hand you are free from carrying bulky equipment with the m43, not to mention being discreet. So why not be optimistic instead?
 
Because history shows that Fuji may abandon us again. Fool me once....is all you get. I am not big time yet. When I buy into a system I have to know that it and the company will evolve. Some shooters on here have Nikon and Canon's. God bless em, I am not at that point yet. So I have to pick one system and ride it out. I came to Fuji because I had two prior prosumer cameras. It was a natural evolution. But now that is all but over on the DSLR level.

Good luck though, I hope the glass is half full.

D.
 
Personally, I think moving to 4/3 would be a big waste of time and effort.

We're getting to the point where there are too many camera systems out there, and in terms of sales, Nikon and Canon will always be the top two. Sony is trying hard to break into the big two's sales, but it'll take a while yet.

Yes, Fuji are capable of making their own lenses, but they don't have experience with image stabilization, or even fast/quiet focusing systems (AF-S/USM). If Fuji were to stay with Nikon, the end user will always have a wide choice of high performance (high cost) pro lenses, and low cost consumer lenses. There will always be a large range of 3rd party lenses for the F mount too.

I think people started talking about Fuji going the 4/3 route because there is a perception that Fuji can't compete with Nikon, but I don't think that's true. On pure image quality, the Fuji DSLRs are superb, and I still prefer the results from my S2 and S5 (in terms of colour, tone, and DR) to the D3, D700, D300, 5D, 5DII, and 7D. What I need from Fuji is greater resolution and a little more speed.

I'd rather Fuji spend their R&D budget on improving the performance of the sensors than designing a bunch of all new cameras and "me too" lenses for a system that could spell disaster for the company. All existing Fuji DSLR customers are, by default, invested to some extent in the Nikon system, so if Fuji drop the F mount, they'll be starting from absolute zero. Personally, I wouldn't ditch my Nikon lenses to jump on the 4/3 thing, not even for Fuji.

SB
 
I think people started talking about Fuji going the 4/3 route because there is a perception that Fuji can't compete with Nikon, but I don't think that's true. On pure image quality, the Fuji DSLRs are superb, and I still prefer the results from my S2 and S5 (in terms of colour, tone, and DR) to the D3, D700, D300, 5D, 5DII, and 7D. What I need from Fuji is greater resolution and a little more speed.
I see things exactly the same way as you, but the number of people who share our view is small, or at least Fuji thinks so. The majority thinks Megapixels and ISO noise and not much further. Maybe fps and AF speed. If you read in forums, you get the impression that noone take photos below ISO3200 anymore. It has become a complete obsession.

Same for speed. A camera that can only take 3fps is considered "too slow" for many things.

In such a market a Fuji Sx can only by a niche product. FUji can spend as much as they like on R&D of their sensors, if they are not able or willing to develop a modern camera body at a competitive price, they will only sell few of them.

Seen what Fuji is capable of in terms of IQ, it is frustrating to see them go for one compromise after the other. S5pro was already a compromise because sensorwise it was a technological standstill. It is a very good camera, but it has weaknesses.

Technically, they would have to scale up that sensor to FF and build in fast enough electronics that can do RAW compression for file size, implement multi channel readout for let's say constant 3fps in RAW at 14-16MP, and put all that in a d700 body. Technically absolutely feasable for 2500-3000, but they don't do it. To build another compromise camera with one or two really great features, one or two real showstoppers in order to maintain a sub 2k price would not do anymore, which is why they do not do it. The market is much more mature than 5y ago (S3 era).

But I guess this is their biggest weakness: They always decide for some strange compromised product, whereas lots of people want consequent and innovative products.

Something that just kicks a** - like the organic sensor at APS size, colours that will make people cry by their life-likeness and beauty, no Bayer mask, high resolution.

But something tells me that we will more likely see a low feature plastic body with slowish lens, a m4/3 sensor with 6 or 12MP (you have to decide what drawback matters less than the other) of which they will sell 1.389 copies.

Then they will close the photo department because "the market situation is no longer in line with their long time strategy" Yuck. Kodak SLR-n was the same. Very good image quality (at low ISO at least) that made a difference, but a flawed product from A to Z. Wrong company decisions, went out of business (in higher segments than compact boxes).

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If Fujifilm chose the M mount and/or the F mount for an EVIL camera with a 1.5x FOV EXR sensor, it would still have a chance to capitalize on people who want but can't afford a Leica M8 or M9. This is because no one else offers a similar product on the market.

With the m4/3 mount, it has to compete head to head with Panasonic and Olympus in a niche market.
 
Basically I've written off the S5 for resale. The $600 I might get out of it isn't going to make much of a dent on the FF camera that will probably be my next step.

To quote at least one other in this forum way back when. You'll have to take it from my cold dead hands! ;-)

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I am optimistic that I will like the Fuji m4/3rds if it becomes available and isn't obscenely priced. I see great stuff out of the Olympus'es and other 4/3rds gear. Yes, somewhat more noisy, but still excellent and even salable. I see no reason why Fuji's entry couldn't be similarly excellent.

I will however assume it's a one trick pony and not emotionally invest myself in the long term future of the line. I also will move forward with Nikon based DSLR technology. I see it as "another" camera for my bag, rather than something I would "switch" to.

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Agreed, which is why I would enjoy it while it lasts (ie: not expect another m4/3rds offering out of Fuji). There's no reason why it has to be a lasting line to enjoy what it offers. Also given that the m4/3rds lenses are compatible, investments in that area are not a total waste.

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Just drop into the m43 forum and start counting threads talking about Leica, Zeiss and Voigtlander glass. Drop into the Leica forum and there are folks there talking about Leica glass on their m43 camera. Plus, there will be a lot of glass out there for AF on the m43 going forward. It's not the be-all end-all but I don't think it's a bad place for Fuji to go.
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I am optimistic that I will like the Fuji m4/3rds if it becomes available and isn't obscenely priced. I see great stuff out of the Olympus'es and other 4/3rds gear. Yes, somewhat more noisy, but still excellent and even salable. I see no reason why Fuji's entry couldn't be similarly excellent.

Matt Fahrner
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Hi,

You refer to Olympus as a good example in 4/3 format. Yes, it is good as 4/3. But just that.

I used to love Olympus cameras and I am positively biased towards them. Although my mainstream 35 mm was Nikon in 35mm film I always had some Olympus gear for personal use. I just loved that OM-1n, then later the OM-3 and the lovely OM-4.

However, as much as I am sentimental about Olympus I would not buy into their 4/3 system. The 4/3 "film" is just too small. It is just too limited in comparison to Nikon's and Canon's 35mm DSLR's. On top of that the premium Olympus lenses are quite expensive. So, we have a physically challenged "film" size that require the best lenses to squeeze the best out of it. But then you pay through the nose for those lenses. Why not just stay with 35mm DSLRs, mount expensive glass on those, then enjoy the much bigger and cleaner files that will allow you to print or publish much larger images?

Yes, Oly is cute and it has a group of followers. Fuji may enter into the cute camera market too. But giving up larger format sensors that serve the mainstream photographer is just not what I would expect from a company like Fuji.

Once I exchanged some views with Olympus users on their forum. Many expressed the same view as I did. I said that I would immediately buy into the Olympus system again if they would create a pro DSLR of OM-1 and OM-4 merit. Many people agreed with that. They too miss the truly professional Olympus. Many wishes if they had the DSLR version of the OM-1. With full 35mm "film" in it.

Best regards, AIK
 
Just drop into the m43 forum and start counting threads talking about Leica, Zeiss and Voigtlander glass. Drop into the Leica forum and there are folks there talking about Leica glass on their m43 camera. Plus, there will be a lot of glass out there for AF on the m43 going forward. It's not the be-all end-all but I don't think it's a bad place for Fuji to go.
I know there are many users who are putting m mount lenses on their m4/3 cameras with adapters but the 2.0x FOV factor is too much for my taste. The ultra-wide 12mm Voigtlander is merely a 24mm lens on m4/3.

Fujifilm could have taken the whole 1.5x FOV EVIL market by giving the camera a built in F mount or M mount. It now finds itself competing head to head with Panasonic and Olympus in the 2.0x FOV market.

I believe a gimmick free manual focus only F mount or M mount EVIL camera with a 1.5x FOV EXR sensor for under $1K should sell quite well among the enthusiasts.
 
Not gonna happen. They're done.

And what's with you guys and 4/3. It's not a serious format and will never be considered such in the professional market. Why would anyone that has a SxPro think a 4/3 would yield better images. It's having the same success that APS did in film.
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Tom
 
Just drop into the m43 forum and start counting threads talking about Leica, Zeiss and Voigtlander glass. Drop into the Leica forum and there are folks there talking about Leica glass on their m43 camera. Plus, there will be a lot of glass out there for AF on the m43 going forward. It's not the be-all end-all but I don't think it's a bad place for Fuji to go.
I know there are many users who are putting m mount lenses on their m4/3 cameras with adapters but the 2.0x FOV factor is too much for my taste. The ultra-wide 12mm Voigtlander is merely a 24mm lens on m4/3.

Fujifilm could have taken the whole 1.5x FOV EVIL market by giving the camera a built in F mount or M mount. It now finds itself competing head to head with Panasonic and Olympus in the 2.0x FOV market.

I believe a gimmick free manual focus only F mount or M mount EVIL camera with a 1.5x FOV EXR sensor for under $1K should sell quite well among the enthusiasts.
That's the Samsung NX10, soon to be followed by Pentax if one believes rumors.

OTH an agreement from Fuji with m4/3 makes sense. It is the standard de facto format for EVIL compacts with UWA lenses ranging from 7-14 to 9-18, so no impediment in the crop factor for wides.

Where Fuji can win is in the sensor's IQ, which is far more important to win the race for HQ compacts.

A Fuji m4/3 will find a whole lineup of lenses ready, without having to go into the expensive business of making one in double haste.

Am.

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As much as I loved my S3, it was time to move on.
Fuji doesn't have much to offer aside from little compacts.

This company is a dead end street for DSLR users.
 
Where Fuji can win is in the sensor's IQ, which is far more important to win the race for HQ compacts.

A Fuji m4/3 will find a whole lineup of lenses ready, without having to go into the expensive business of making one in double haste.

A
Do you think Fujinon will make 4/3rd lenses too?
 
Where Fuji can win is in the sensor's IQ, which is far more important to win the race for HQ compacts.

A Fuji m4/3 will find a whole lineup of lenses ready, without having to go into the expensive business of making one in double haste.

A
Do you think Fujinon will make 4/3rd lenses too?
Eventually yes, unless it chooses to make in-camera correction for both Oly and Panny lenses.

So it will also depend on agreements with those companies, which until now have different standards of correction, i.e. Oly doesn't correct CA.

Am.

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FujiFulm is 4/3 member for YEARs and cooperate w/Olympus long ago.

p.s.
all Fuju DSLR products support [nearly]discontinued.
 
even if Fuji use propritary[not enumerated here]mount or even launch "semi-compact" with fixed 25mm lens[not changeable], i buy it.
because its FujiFilm. pictures is MATTER, others is NOT.
 
I'm going to have to agree with you.

I've had my S3 since it's release and have been happy with it(other than a really dirty sensor). But now I'm looking to upgrade and Fujifilm "isn't" offering anything I am interested in. I will most likely looking for something FF and might wait and see what Nikon might offer as a replacement to the D700.

Also, I'm confused as to why so many people here are interested in a 4/3rds possibility? When SLR sensors benifit so much when there size is increased, why would anyone want them to go smaller? Am I missing something? Fill me in guys/gals.

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